Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning

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Dino246

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No, there was any comparisons between Moses and Peter, they have the same Spirit, but you have not the same Spirit of them, your spirit is another, it is a spirit like frog.
You need to read more carefully. Your comment is irrelevant.
 
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How long was one rotation of the earth in Genesis?
Beloved, the rotation of the planet Earth from 6,000 years ago or much much more, It's the same as today, April 19, 2019. And there were evening and morning, the same as today.

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Beloved, the rotation of the planet Earth from 6,000 years ago or much much more, It's the same as today, April 19, 2019. And there were evening and morning, the same as today.

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So on the evening and the morning, it was 1 day, same as today, during creation. Thank you.
 
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So on the evening and the morning, it was 1 day, same as today, during creation. Thank you.
Yes, one God's Day of 1,000 years, that's the first millennium. When God revealed Genesis to Moses there were passad already around 2 millenniuns and half. Yes, one God's Day of 1,000 years, that's the first millennium. By the way, when God revealed Genesis to Moses there were passed already around 2 millenniums and half or two God's Day.
 

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6,000 years in our calendar or 2.190,000 days in our calendar, they are for God Almighty as 6 Days. God is from everlasting to everlasting,
He has not beginning neither end, JESUS has. Period of time like this is as a blink of an eye for God Almighty, but ... for you ...
This is very unseserious. 😊 in one hand you claim that millenium are 1000 years as the seventh day, in the other hand the 6th day is much longer.
You make with the scripture what you want for to fit it in your view. Strange!
 
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in one hand you claim that millenium are 1000 years as the seventh day,
Revelation 20:v.6-15

The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years (365.000 24hours days) were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with JESUS a thousand years. (The Millennium of Christ, the seventh and last millennium or the seventh and last Day)

7 And when the thousand years (365.000 24hours days - the millennium) are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 

Melach

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No, there was any comparisons between Moses and Peter, they have the same Spirit, but you have not the same Spirit of them, your spirit is another, it is a spirit like frog.
you are evil. judging a man's spirit as evil through internet? what are you? who are you? nobody.
 

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Revelation 20:v.6-15

The rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years (365.000 24hours days) were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with JESUS a thousand years. (The Millennium of Christ, the seventh and last millennium or the seventh and last Day)

7 And when the thousand years (365.000 24hours days - the millennium) are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the Devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Hey man, i Doubt not the 1000 Years in revelation :) I just simply cant find that the 6th day is what you claim.
As i said you Take the scripture and use it according your view. I dont mind if you believe it. But dont proclaim this as truth.
 

wolfwint

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6,000 years in our calendar or 2.190,000 days in our calendar, they are for God Almighty as 6 Days. God is from everlasting to everlasting,
He has not beginning neither end, JESUS has. Period of time like this is as a blink of an eye for God Almighty, but ... for you ...
You are not answer my Post. You just Take my Text out of context and create a new phrase.
 
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You cannot refute my position merely by calling me a liar. You have nothing but your misinterpretation and empty accusations.
By the contrary, I have not misinterpret your evil apostasies, and to denounce your lies is not an accusation, but the manifestation of Truth. God is Truth.
 
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Moses used two different comparisons, as did Peter. They are both talking about the fact that God is not subject to man's temporal limitations. Peter used the comparison both ways, which utterly refutes your position.
Who is using different comparisons is you through the spirit of lie within you, and it is he who speaks by your mouth. This is true.
 
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You're arguing oranges and apples. Your position is not Scripture, so give up that silliness
And you argui using foolish words like them which know not Scriptures, and lives under the blackness of the darkness.
 
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Hey man, i Doubt not the 1000 Years in revelation, I just simply cant find that the 6th day is what you claim.
I have said the express Word of God, if you can not find what the Word of God claims. I recommend you James 1:5-7

As i said you Take the scripture and use it according your view. I dont mind if you believe it.
I must say that there is not word more powerful than the Word of God. For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart, do you understand?

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


But dont proclaim this as truth.
You are confessing you know not God's Truth.
 

Dino246

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By the contrary, I have not misinterpret your evil apostasies, and to denounce your lies is not an accusation, but the manifestation of Truth. God is Truth.
Who is using different comparisons is you through the spirit of lie within you, and it is he who speaks by your mouth. This is true.
And you argui using foolish words like them which know not Scriptures, and lives under the blackness of the darkness.
Oh John 3:31 is irrelevant for you, the Word of God signifies nothing for your spirit. Mat. 16:v.23
Yawn. Clearly you are unable to converse respectfully. You are arrogant, self-righteous, unteachable, and wrong.

Have a nice life. I hope you learn the truth one day.
 
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The works of God made through JESUS in the first millennium - Genesis 1:1-5 , remembering that God the Almighty calls those things which be not as though they already were.

1 In the beginning - in JESUS - God - the Father- created the heavens and the earth. - Yeah, He created the 1st, and the 2nd, and the 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens.
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Heaven is not the physical space of the Univedrse, but celestial PLACES IN CHRIST like the first Covenant - the Old Testament - and after the second Covenant - the New Testament - . The next heavenly place in Christ is the Kingdom of God which will be established in this seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, or the seventh and last Day. After this, will be established the heaven of the heavens, an heaven more powerful than these three first heavens, and then begins the Eternity.


2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. - Yeah, the earth was without form, but this has nothing to do with geometric form absolutely.

And the earth was void, was void of what? The Word of God is not speaking of the ground, the earth was void of the knowledge of God.

God Himself revealed to the prophet Isaiah who said: Isaiah 45:v.18 - For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens (4 heavens); God Himself that formed the earth (this has nothing with geometric form) and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain - in chaos or void - , he formed it to be inhabited - yes, but not by the sons of Devil - : I am the Lord; and there is none else.

And darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
The deep - the abyss - is the place where Satan will be cast down in this present time, time of Apocalypse.
There was a population in the Garden of Eden, whose population was ruled by a Cherub, and after the rebellion of them all, the earth remained only and only in great darkness,...
But the Spirit of God moved upon the face of waters (waters are peoples, nations, crowd and tongues, waters in this context has nothing to do with H2O, ABSOLUTELY. What does the composition of water - H2O - have with the Spirit of God? Absolutely nothing, but peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues, all who are trapped in the darkness of the Devil, they all have. The Spirit of God moved upon the waters and then was born first Abel, who is of God's seed, and was born Seth and all his descendants.


3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Now, now, God is Light, in Him is no darkness at all. Let there be light as was said by God, it means God saying: May I be known of the peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues. If we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. - And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil , it since the beginning. For instance, Cain was of the Devil and killed his brother Abel. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first Day. - That is the first millennium, the end of the first millennium occurred as soon as was born Noah.

Now we are in the time of Apocalypse, the period of time of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day. The Day of God's rest. The true Christians, the true believers, are not in the night called darkness by God. The true Christians, the true believers, are all the children of light, and the children of the Day: they are not of the night, nor of darkness. God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Let us, who are of the Day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation, for God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Amem.
 

wolfwint

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The works of God made through JESUS in the first millennium - Genesis 1:1-5 , remembering that God the Almighty calls those things which be not as though they already were.

1 In the beginning - in JESUS - God - the Father- created the heavens and the earth. - Yeah, He created the 1st, and the 2nd, and the 3rd heavens, and the heaven of the heavens.
-
Heaven is not the physical space of the Univedrse, but celestial PLACES IN CHRIST like the first Covenant - the Old Testament - and after the second Covenant - the New Testament - . The next heavenly place in Christ is the Kingdom of God which will be established in this seventh and last millennium, the Millennium of Christ, or the seventh and last Day. After this, will be established the heaven of the heavens, an heaven more powerful than these three first heavens, and then begins the Eternity.


2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. - Yeah, the earth was without form, but this has nothing to do with geometric form absolutely.

And the earth was void, was void of what? The Word of God is not speaking of the ground, the earth was void of the knowledge of God.

God Himself revealed to the prophet Isaiah who said: Isaiah 45:v.18 - For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens (4 heavens); God Himself that formed the earth (this has nothing with geometric form) and made it; He hath established it, he created it not in vain - in chaos or void - , he formed it to be inhabited - yes, but not by the sons of Devil - : I am the Lord; and there is none else.

And darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The deep - the abyss - is the place where Satan will be cast down in this present time, time of Apocalypse.
There was a population in the Garden of Eden, whose population was ruled by a Cherub, and after the rebellion of them all, the earth remained only and only in great darkness,...
But the Spirit of God moved upon the face of waters (waters are peoples, nations, crowd and tongues, waters in this context has nothing to do with H2O, ABSOLUTELY. What does the composition of water - H2O - have with the Spirit of God? Absolutely nothing, but peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues, all who are trapped in the darkness of the Devil, they all have. The Spirit of God moved upon the waters and then was born first Abel, who is of God's seed, and was born Seth and all his descendants.


3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Now, now, God is Light, in Him is no darkness at all. Let there be light as was said by God, it means God saying: May I be known of the peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues. If we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. - And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil , it since the beginning. For instance, Cain was of the Devil and killed his brother Abel. For every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that does truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first Day. - That is the first millennium, the end of the first millennium occurred as soon as was born Noah.

Now we are in the time of Apocalypse, the period of time of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day. The Day of God's rest. The true Christians, the true believers, are not in the night called darkness by God. The true Christians, the true believers, are all the children of light, and the children of the Day: they are not of the night, nor of darkness. God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Let us, who are of the Day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation, for God has not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Amem.
Where you got this stuft from? This is a mixture of scripture and a man made Story. How can you expect that somebody believes this?
 

2Pillars

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1. Adam ruled over the animals in Garden Eden. And mankind ruled over the animals after left Eden. The Human makes what he wants with the Natur. But mostly not in a good way. Is this not ruling?
Through the sinfall also the relationship between the Animals and the Mankind is destroyed.

2 What has Genesis 1 to do with Revealation regarding the tree of life?
Its sounds similar, but the location is different.


3. Isa 11, 30 is in future, yes and has nothing to do with the life Adam and Eva had in garden Eden.


4. No sorry, i cant agree with your timeline. Thats speculation, but not scripture proof.
Where you got all the age times from?
Who said the world is so and so old? Ore the universum is so and so old?
God is over the time. And he gave no date from universum and earth.
Every number in determine the age is speculation.
The Book of Genesis tells us that God has but 7 Days. He has 6 Creative Days in which He labors to bring His Creation to Perfection.

At the end of the 6th Day or Age, Mankind will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living things that moves on this world (including the viruses, mosquitos, sharks, etc.). God also will give man to eat of Every tree, including the Tree of Life (Rev 22:14). God will also make ALL animals to eat herbs as meat. The Prophecy of Genesis 1:28-30 has NOT yet happened, which means that we remain in the 6th Day.

Unless you can support your OPINION with Scripture Science or History, you have been REFUTED once again, sorry.

Isa 43:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
 

wolfwint

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The Book of Genesis tells us that God has but 7 Days. He has 6 Creative Days in which He labors to bring His Creation to Perfection.

At the end of the 6th Day or Age, Mankind will be given dominion or rule over EVERY living things that moves on this world (including the viruses, mosquitos, sharks, etc.). God also will give man to eat of Every tree, including the Tree of Life (Rev 22:14). God will also make ALL animals to eat herbs as meat. The Prophecy of Genesis 1:28-30 has NOT yet happened, which means that we remain in the 6th Day.

Unless you can support your OPINION with Scripture Science or History, you have been REFUTED once again, sorry.

Isa 43:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
You cant refute me! Solong you are filling the word of God with your own(ore others thoughts) it makes no sense to discuss about.
If it is your view then believe it, but dont sell it as truth. And this is what you are doing.
And this is for shure not gods Spirit behind such doctrine.
If it would be important for God that we know exactly how and why everything is, he would revealed us.
That you put the creation days out of 24h days is not new. Take our lord Jesus Christ as example. He uses the days in genesis 1 and 2 as 24h days and not as long time periods.