Understanding Genesis 1&2 - The Beginning

[2Pillars]

You cant refute me! Solong you are filling the word of God with your own(ore others thoughts) it makes no sense to discuss about.
If it is your view then believe it, but dont sell it as truth. And this is what you are doing.
And this is for shure not gods Spirit behind such doctrine.
If it would be important for God that we know exactly how and why everything is, he would revealed us.
That you put the creation days out of 24h days is not new. Take our lord Jesus Christ as example. He uses the days in genesis 1 and 2 as 24h days and not as long time periods.

The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow.Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for poor, ignorant, Unbelievers and Christian Pretenders to comprehend.

Mat 11:25 .At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

 

[garee]

But you want to use 12 hour day and 12 hour night which wasn’t how they measured time back then that is modern terminology. they had no concept of a twelve hour night it was watches in the night of the stars not a clock.

And you say spiritual life and the first 3 days there was no sun so how come your adding those days to your 12 and 12 24 hour day makes no sense. And not saying those days are based on spiritual life. if those days you believe where hidden how come the first three days then they should remain hidden the invention of a modern clock doesn’t reveal those days.

Hi Thanks for the reply. I appreciate an ear.

Something I have been looking at awhile.

The first three days remain hidden to represent His holy place.They are hid from natural man as the measure of man. Man measures by the things seen. God has other ways to measure, called the golden reed The measurement of faith

It was not my intention to add those days but rather define those days to help understand how it is used in relationship to or comparison to the days beyond the first three days.

Three throughout the scriptures seems to indicate an end of a matter. In this case the end of the presence of His glory on this corrupted creation . His glory departed and is hid in His holy unseen place of faith It is reserved for the new incorruptible creation the glorious bride of Christ..

We today are what is called in Ecclesiastics; “under the Sun” (the temporal).The beginning of time is measured by the things created as the measure of man.

The new order of day began in darkness night to show that temporal time is under a curse ...Which is unlike the beginning of His glory; “let there be light”.

“Under the Sun” a phrase used in parables to represent the temporal time period wasused 22 times in Ecclesiastics to represent the beginning of day four, when His glory departed

Previously before the temporal time keepers. He would reveal his presence of His glory as light for 12 hours and conceal it for 12 hours in order to represent good. as a blessing. and evil as no blessing. (No faith)

We know the presence of His glory was the beginning of our beginning. When he said Let there be light, he simply moved his self in position to perform his work of faith. This is before he created darkness, used to represent night (no blessing). Darkness is a creation just as light being formed form another source, other than the glory of God beginning day four. God who is light has no form like that of the Sun.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Let there be light (the source of blessing) . God is light. God is not formed. Defining days as to how they differ from those governed by temporal time. The Sun and the moon another kind beginning temporal as the beginning of the creation involving night. .


The days that are used by the outward Jew today begin in the evening or darkness. Indicating the temporal time period of darkness or night. It would seem to represent children of darkness.

When Christ came, he gave that light as a representative glory by which we try and show the world the importance of hearing the gospel preached under the Sun. We have His power in these bodies of death but are never to assume any work could be attributed to the temporal.

You could say in the twinkling of an eye between day 3 and day four the temporal switch was changed when the glory of God departed,

In that twinkling of the eye it would seem to represent the time when God corrupted the whole creation leaving it faithless with no way to please God


Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

In advance God knew natural man as the scientist of today or pagan nations from long ago needed to venerate the Sun as their source of life. Again, showing they have no faith by which they could glorify God as representations of his hid glory. The glory that lit the whole world the first three days.

The same glory that will bring His children of light into their new dwelling place. Where the creation of darkness represented by night will never cast a shadow. .

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.Revelation 21:23-26

 

[garee]

Man became a natural living soul after he was formed from the dust of the ground and was given a breath of life by our Lord God, the Son, on the 3rd Day. However, Man did not have the Quickening Spirit or Holy Spirit YET at that time.... because, it takes the agreement of the Trinity (Father, Son and the Holy Spirit) to make a spiritual being - just like when a person is Born Again spiritually in the image and likeness of God.

1Cor 15:45-46 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Man was created on the 6th 24 hour day after the rest of the creation was in place...day 5.. The same 24 hour time he created as how long it would take to turn the earth

What seems to come up in the morning goes down at night is not just some sort of coincident .Its how he designed the clock to start ticking on day four before mankind was created. A phrase that is called under the sun. Indicating we are under the daily wrath of God reveled from heaven

The man afterward is Christ .Not as you say three days later on the sixth day Adam became Christ.

Two different generations or beginings. The generation of Christ, the born again beliver, and the generation of natural unconverted man typified by Adam. The second Adam was not Adam .The second represent generations as new beginning .Geneisis

 

[Deade]

2Pillars said:




Dear Dino,

By the way ..... For your continued additional learning and education, Dino... (see below ) Hebrew and Strong Definition of the different usages of the word "Darkness" in Genesis 1:2

exicon :: Strong's H2822 - choshek
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חֹשֶׁךְ
Transliteration
choshek
Pronunciation
khō·shek' (Key)
Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
From חָשַׁךְ (H2821)
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: 769a

KJV Translation Count — Total: 80x
The KJV translates Strong's H2822 in the following manner: darkness (70x), dark (7x), obscurity (2x), night (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
darkness, obscurity

darkness

secret place

Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
חֹשֶׁךְ chôshek, kho-shek'; from H2821; the dark; hence (literally) darkness; figuratively, misery, destruction, death, ignorance, sorrow, wickedness:—dark(-ness), night, obscurity.

Have a good day!

Just because there is a figurative reference to certain words does not mean they always apply. Genesis 1:2 says "darkness was on the face of the earth." Could that mean "death?" I don't think so. Going along with all the other context, I think it just means dark.

 

[2Pillars]

Man was created on the 6th 24 hour day after the rest of the creation was in place...day 5.. The same 24 hour time he created as how long it would take to turn the earth

What seems to come up in the morning goes down at night is not just some sort of coincident .Its how he designed the clock to start ticking on day four before mankind was created. A phrase that is called under the sun. Indicating we are under the daily wrath of God reveled from heaven

The man afterward is Christ .Not as you say three days later on the sixth day Adam became Christ.

Two different generations or beginings. The generation of Christ, the born again beliver, and the generation of natural unconverted man typified by Adam. The second Adam was not Adam .The second represent generations as new beginning .Geneisis

Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day and created in the Image and likeness of God or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally on the 6th Day,…. After both A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel.

In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

 

[2Pillars]

Just because there is a figurative reference to certain words does not mean they always apply. Genesis 1:2 says "darkness was on the face of the earth." Could that mean "death?" I don't think so. Going along with all the other context, I think it just means dark.

No, it's NOT even figurative but literal... believe it or not....

A Formless Earth in Darkness that is Void (Gen 1:2) is consider DEAD.

The emergence of light in Gen. 1:3 is no other than YHWH himself, the Son of the invisible God - whose glory is brighter than the noon day sun. The Son provided the light/life to everything physical matter that God had created APART from his spiritual realm. Because in Him (the Son) is LIFE.

 

[KnowMe]

Hi Thanks for the reply. I appreciate an ear.

Something I have been looking at awhile.

The first three days remain hidden to represent His holy place.They are hid from natural man as the measure of man. Man measures by the things seen. God has other ways to measure, called the golden reed The measurement of faith

It was not my intention to add those days but rather define those days to help understand how it is used in relationship to or comparison to the days beyond the first three days.

Three throughout the scriptures seems to indicate an end of a matter. In this case the end of the presence of His glory on this corrupted creation . His glory departed and is hid in His holy unseen place of faith It is reserved for the new incorruptible creation the glorious bride of Christ..

We today are what is called in Ecclesiastics; “under the Sun” (the temporal).The beginning of time is measured by the things created as the measure of man.

The new order of day began in darkness night to show that temporal time is under a curse ...Which is unlike the beginning of His glory; “let there be light”.

“Under the Sun” a phrase used in parables to represent the temporal time period wasused 22 times in Ecclesiastics to represent the beginning of day four, when His glory departed

Previously before the temporal time keepers. He would reveal his presence of His glory as light for 12 hours and conceal it for 12 hours in order to represent good. as a blessing. and evil as no blessing. (No faith)

We know the presence of His glory was the beginning of our beginning. When he said Let there be light, he simply moved his self in position to perform his work of faith. This is before he created darkness, used to represent night (no blessing). Darkness is a creation just as light being formed form another source, other than the glory of God beginning day four. God who is light has no form like that of the Sun.

Isaiah 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Let there be light (the source of blessing) . God is light. God is not formed. Defining days as to how they differ from those governed by temporal time. The Sun and the moon another kind beginning temporal as the beginning of the creation involving night. .


The days that are used by the outward Jew today begin in the evening or darkness. Indicating the temporal time period of darkness or night. It would seem to represent children of darkness.

When Christ came, he gave that light as a representative glory by which we try and show the world the importance of hearing the gospel preached under the Sun. We have His power in these bodies of death but are never to assume any work could be attributed to the temporal.

You could say in the twinkling of an eye between day 3 and day four the temporal switch was changed when the glory of God departed,

In that twinkling of the eye it would seem to represent the time when God corrupted the whole creation leaving it faithless with no way to please God


Genesis 6:12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

In advance God knew natural man as the scientist of today or pagan nations from long ago needed to venerate the Sun as their source of life. Again, showing they have no faith by which they could glorify God as representations of his hid glory. The glory that lit the whole world the first three days.

The same glory that will bring His children of light into their new dwelling place. Where the creation of darkness represented by night will never cast a shadow. .

And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.Revelation 21:23-26

I do agree that there is a difference in the word light and how it is used in scripture, though the 12 hour and 12 hour is clock thinking in my opinion regardless of how the earth rotates in front of the sun. Other planetary bodies in our solar system don’t use a 12 hour day and 12 hour night. So why did God create them one reason is to show what we know about time keepers will only be half of a understanding.

 

[KnowMe]

if using earth time keeping only it’s always fluxing.

Areas on the Equator have a constant 12 hours of day light all year round. As latitude increases to 80° (polar circles - north or south) day length can be seen to increase to 24 hours or decrease to zero (depending on time of year). Land of the Midnight Sun and Polar Winters where the sun never rises.

http://www.primaryhomeworkhelp.co.uk/time/latitude.html

 

[KnowMe]

If I only lived at the North Pole like Santa Claus you would have a hard time convincing me time was a constant 12 hour day and night.

 

[KnowMe]

If people start saying the 6 days of creation was 12 hour day and 12 hour night and try to spread the news around the earth as such, it will not fly in places it doesn’t. It will be a false statement to those people and rightly so.

 

[Dino246]

The Book of Genesis tells us that God has but 7 Days.

No, it doesn't. You've employed a logical fallacy.

Unless you can support your OPINION with Scripture Science or History, you have been REFUTED once again, sorry.

That's not how logic works. An opinion without evidentiary support remains an opinion. It is not refuted merely because it is not supported.

 

[Dino246]

The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow.Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for poor, ignorant, Unbelievers and Christian Pretenders to comprehend.

Mat 11:25 .At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

You contradicted yourself here. First it's the ignorant who can't understand it, then it's the wise and prudent from whom it is hidden.

The truth is in the Scripture, not your comments.

 

[Dino246]

Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day and created in the Image and likeness of God or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally on the 6th Day,…. After both A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel.

In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

These statements directly contradict Scripture. You are in error.

 

[Dino246]

No, it's NOT even figurative but literal... believe it or not....

A Formless Earth in Darkness that is Void (Gen 1:2) is consider DEAD.

Your ideas have been refuted by evidence. You are in error.

 

[Dino246]

Something I have been looking at awhile.

The first three days remain hidden to represent His holy place.They are hid from natural man as the measure of man. Man measures by the things seen. God has other ways to measure, called the golden reed The measurement of faith

It was not my intention to add those days but rather define those days to help understand how it is used in relationship to or comparison to the days beyond the first three days.

Unfortunately what you've added is speculation that is contrary to Scripture. The Bible does not say that those three days are "hidden"; rather, God tells us exactly what happened.

Three throughout the scriptures seems to indicate an end of a matter. In this case the end of the presence of His glory on this corrupted creation . His glory departed and is hid in His holy unseen place of faith It is reserved for the new incorruptible creation the glorious bride of Christ..

Nowhere in Scripture does it say that "three" indicates the end of a matter. That too is speculation.

The new order of day began in darkness night to show that temporal time is under a curse ...Which is unlike the beginning of His glory; “let there be light”.

There is absolutely nothing in Scripture to support this idea.

“Under the Sun” a phrase used in parables to represent the temporal time period wasused 22 times in Ecclesiastics to represent the beginning of day four, when His glory departed

The phrase "under the sun" is not used in any parables. It is used exclusively by the writer of Ecclesiastes, and that is not a book of parables.

Previously before the temporal time keepers. He would reveal his presence of His glory as light for 12 hours and conceal it for 12 hours in order to represent good. as a blessing. and evil as no blessing. (No faith)

More speculation. Scripture says nothing of "12 hours" in the Genesis account of creation. Further, Scripture says nothing about the hours of darkness representing evil and the light hours representing good.

You could say in the twinkling of an eye between day 3 and day four the temporal switch was changed when the glory of God departed,

In that twinkling of the eye it would seem to represent the time when God corrupted the whole creation leaving it faithless with no way to please God

More speculation. It would really be good for you to base your ideas on what the Bible actually says, instead of speculating so much.

 

[garee]

Adam was physically formed on the 3rd Day and created in the Image and likeness of God or Born Again Spiritually and Eternally on the 6th Day,…. After both A&E already have committed their original sin ; AFTER Cain had already killed Abel.

In fact, the actual Creation Event took place during Seth’ generations… when men started to call upon the name of the Lord - Gen 4:26; Gen 5:1-2

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

It would seem you are confusing the first Adam a creation, with the second Adam, the Son of God, Christ. The second Adam remains without mother or father beginning of spirit life or end thereof.

Flesh, mankind gives birth to flesh, Mankind God as quickening Spirit gives birth to the spirit creating new creatures. As sons of God (believers) we are not what we will be as the bride of Christ

John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

Holiness of Spirit not holiness of flesh.The first Adam natural man was made a living soul indicating he had a relationship with a living God not seen.

The second Adam as eternal God is a quickening Spirit one who can create a new spirit..

Adam was not created twice .Once on the third day and the other on the sixth.

On the third day there was no place for Adam to lay his head. There was no good dry ground. There were no plants to eat, no fish to help him float or eat the heat was unknown could of been ice..

 

[wolfwint]

The Bible was written for the past, present, and future. It is relevant for today, and tomorrow.Written by the Supreme Intelligence, it's just too hard for poor, ignorant, Unbelievers and Christian Pretenders to comprehend.

Mat 11:25 .At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Who ore what is then the supreme Intelligence?
So you then a babe?

 

[2Pillars]

It would seem you are confusing the first Adam a creation, with the second Adam, the Son of God, Christ. The second Adam remains without mother or father beginning of spirit life or end thereof.

Flesh, mankind gives birth to flesh, Mankind God as quickening Spirit gives birth to the spirit creating new creatures. As sons of God (believers) we are not what we will be as the bride of Christ

John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit

Holiness of Spirit not holiness of flesh.The first Adam natural man was made a living soul indicating he had a relationship with a living God not seen.

The second Adam as eternal God is a quickening Spirit one who can create a new spirit..

Adam was not created twice .Once on the third day and the other on the sixth.

On the third day there was no place for Adam to lay his head. There was no good dry ground. There were no plants to eat, no fish to help him float or eat the heat was unknown could of been ice..

Dear Garee,

I am sorry, but you seem to be confuse my friend, on HOW Adam was PHYSICALLY FORMED (Heb-Yatsar = squeezed into shape like a Potter molds the clay) on the 3rd Day BEFORE both A&E, together, were created in the image and likeness of God, spiritually on the 6th Day.... AFTER they called upon the name of the Lord (Gen 4:26) ... they were forgiven and redeemed by God - the Trinity.

YHWH, the Son, formed (Heb- Yatzar) Adam physically on the 3rd Day (Gen 2:4-7) , but Adam fell from perfection on the 6th Day and was cast from the Garden along with Eve. They had Cain and Abel and Cain killed Abel... and kicked out to the land of Nod on the east of Eden.

Both A&E were "created" (Heb -Bara) Spiritually and Eternally by the Trinity. Gen 1:26; 2:5-1-3... and John 14:16 confirms that it takes the TRINITY to "create". Notice that it was AFTER Cain killed Abel BEFORE Adam and Eve were created Spiritually. Gen 5:1-2

See the link where I show based on my reconciliation of HOW and WHEN the physical forming of Adam took place on the 3rd Day .... Post # 102

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...nding-genesis-1-2-the-beginning.184467/page-6

1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. v46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

Another Misunderstanding- The last Adam in the context of the cited text above is still Adam, himself, the Man, NOT Jesus Christ,.... simply, because, Christ IS the Source of Quickening Spirit ...... not that Jesus Christ, the Source of quickening spirit, was MADE given himself a quickening spirit... as the cited text indicated.

God bless

 

[Oseas]

you are evil. judging a man's spirit as evil through internet?

You say I am evil because the judgment of an evil spirit who posted his WORDS in this Christian site? It is written: A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an EVIL man out of the EVIL treasure bringeth forth EVIL things. But I say unto you, That every idle WORD that men speak, they will give account thereof in the Day of Judgment. - that's this seventh and last millennium or seventh and last Day - For by your WORDS you shall be justified, and by your WORDS you shall be condemned.

Remember: whosoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will NOT BE forgiven him, neither in this WORLD, neither in the WORLD to come. - that is the Kingdom of God -

what are you? who are you? nobody.

Why are you asking that to me, if you said in your own post of me, don't you?
What am I? Who am I? Now, now, haven't you just now Judged me through your own WORDS, saying what am I? i.e you said to me: "You are evil". And were not you asked who am I? saying to me: "You are nobody".

You cannot deny that who sows the tares among God's people is the spirit of Devil.

Furthermore, what does the Lord JESUS says by His Word, the Word of God? Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it will NOT be forgiven him, neither in this WORLD, neither in the WORLD to come. - that is the Kingdom of God -

By your WORDS you shall be justified, and by your WORDS you shall be condemned. So, whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this WORLD, neither in the WORLD to come. - that is the Kingdom of God -

 

[Oseas]

Yawn. Clearly you are unable to converse respectfully. You are arrogant, self-righteous, unteachable, and wrong.
Have a nice life. I hope you learn the truth one day.

I must say that there is not word more powerful than the Word of God. For the Word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart, do you understand?

Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we have to do.


Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Spirit , it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this WORLD, neither in the WORLD to come. - that is the Kingdom of God -