Repentance is the Gift Of God !
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Like Faith, True Repentance is from a Spiritual Source, its the Gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast. Repentance thats towards God can be that which leadeth to Godly sorrow 2 Cor 7:10
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.64
So this being true, this type of repentance in regards to salvation is from a godly source ! That godly source cant be out from the flesh of sinful man, which I believe can only worketh or lead to death !
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.64
So this being true, this type of repentance in regards to salvation is from a godly source ! That godly source cant be out from the flesh of sinful man, which I believe can only worketh or lead to death !
See you are being deceitful with the word offer there. Its meaning is like making a offering, a sacrifce to God, giving a sacrifice. Its used for that only twice Lk 2:24
24 And to offer[give] a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
Rev 8:3
3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
You are parading the word offer as to make it mean something is being offered to either accept or reject, that is not how the word offer/ dídōmi is being utilized !
Now again, repentance isnt being offered in Acts 5:31;11:18 its being given, bestowed upon ! They are caused to repent as a result !
24 And to offer[give] a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.
Rev 8:3
3 And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
You are parading the word offer as to make it mean something is being offered to either accept or reject, that is not how the word offer/ dídōmi is being utilized !
Now again, repentance isnt being offered in Acts 5:31;11:18 its being given, bestowed upon ! They are caused to repent as a result !
Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Some of "Israel" rejected.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Some of "the gentiles" rejected.
Again ... Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament indicates in its definition of δίδωμι:
... the "something to be done" is not reject.
Some of "Israel" rejected.
Acts 11:18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
Some of "the gentiles" rejected.
Again ... Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament indicates in its definition of δίδωμι:
6. δίδωμι is joined with nouns denoting an act or an effect
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b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναι τίνι μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; γνῶσινσωτηρίας,Luke 1:77; ἐλπίδα τίνι, 2 Thessalonians 2:16.
... the "something to be done" is not reject.
I know you have to believe that in order for God's Word to fit your understanding.
Acts 5:31 according to brightfame52:
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance not to national Israel but to spiritual Israel, and forgiveness of sins not to national Israel but to spiritual Israel.
In order for your dogma to stand, you have to add words to Scripture
Here again you have to change Scripture to fit your dogma.
The verse does not say "repentance that's towards God can be that which leadeth to Godly sorrow."
2 Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
When you do this to Scripture, you no longer have Scripture ... you have wood, hay, stubble (1 Cor 3:12). It is apparent that you are not interested in learning God's Word ... you are only interested in your own pov.
Acts 5:31 according to brightfame52:
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance not to national Israel but to spiritual Israel, and forgiveness of sins not to national Israel but to spiritual Israel.
In order for your dogma to stand, you have to add words to Scripture
Here again you have to change Scripture to fit your dogma.
The verse does not say "repentance that's towards God can be that which leadeth to Godly sorrow."
2 Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
When you do this to Scripture, you no longer have Scripture ... you have wood, hay, stubble (1 Cor 3:12). It is apparent that you are not interested in learning God's Word ... you are only interested in your own pov.
I know you have to believe that in order for God's Word to fit your understanding.
Acts 5:31 according to brightfame52:
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance not to national Israel but to spiritual Israel, and forgiveness of sins not to national Israel but to spiritual Israel.
In order for your dogma to stand, you have to add words to Scripture
Here again you have to change Scripture to fit your dogma.
The verse does not say "repentance that's towards God can be that which leadeth to Godly sorrow."
2 Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
When you do this to Scripture, you no longer have Scripture ... you have wood, hay, stubble (1 Cor 3:12). It is apparent that you are not interested in learning God's Word ... you are only interested in your own pov.
Acts 5:31 according to brightfame52:
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance not to national Israel but to spiritual Israel, and forgiveness of sins not to national Israel but to spiritual Israel.
In order for your dogma to stand, you have to add words to Scripture
Here again you have to change Scripture to fit your dogma.
The verse does not say "repentance that's towards God can be that which leadeth to Godly sorrow."
2 Co 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.
When you do this to Scripture, you no longer have Scripture ... you have wood, hay, stubble (1 Cor 3:12). It is apparent that you are not interested in learning God's Word ... you are only interested in your own pov.
You believe it because you modify Scripture and then claim that, as modified, "its True".
your bunk theology does not make it so.
your bunk theology does not make it so.
Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
The distinction is between the physical nation of Israel and the spiritually elected Israel, as confirmed in verse 8:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
Paul knowing this would not be well received by the religionist of his day, added:
Rom 9:12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
Rom 9:13 As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
This goes to the subject of election. By physical birth right (The flesh), Esau should have inherited the promise but God upends the norm and gives it to Jacob. We are told because God loved Jacob (The spiritual seed). Since God is the determinate factor in this choice, Paul anticipates the reaction of the reader and shuts it down.
Rom 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
Rom 9:15 For he said to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that is willing, nor of him that is running, but of God that is showing mercy.
He went on to say:
Rom_11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
All good things come directly from God. Including every aspect needed for salvation and the doing of good works.
Php_2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Therefore, even Repentance is an ability given to the chosen one in the new birth, otherwise there would be nothing in that person which would desire to move towards God; since He is LIGHT and that person's nature is DARKNESS (Jn. 1:5,Eph. 5:8). Darkness does not desire the things of light and will do everything possible to avoid the light (John 3:19).
Just as it was in the Old Testament, so are they today. God gives to man what is needed to accomplish His will and these things are varied. From knowledge to deliverance. On knowledge:
Exo 35:30 And Moses said unto the children of Israel, See, the LORD hath called by name Bezaleel the son of Uri, the son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah;
Exo 35:31 And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;
Exo 36:1 Then wrought Bezaleel and Aholiab, and every wise hearted man, in whom the LORD put wisdom and understanding to know how to work all manner of work for the service of the sanctuary, according to all that the LORD had commanded.
Isa_50:4 The Lord Jehovah hath given me the tongue of them that are taught, that I may know how to sustain with words him that is weary: he wakeneth morning by morning, he wakeneth mine ear to hear as they that are taught.
On deliverance:
Exo_3:8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites.
Dan_1:2 And the Lord gave Jehoiakim king of Judah into his hand, with part of the vessels of the house of God; and he carried them into the land of Shinar to the house of his god: and he brought the vessels into the treasure-house of his god.
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GOD IS SOVERIEGN. His purpose stands forever. If God is the giver of physical life, the giver of all creation, the giver of the plan of redemption, the giver of his Son, the giver of spiritual life, the giver of the Kingdom which is to come, the giver of judgement and the giver of eternal life === How foolish is it to not think God is the giver of Repentance?
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Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Now is this a universal command of God ? Yes by means ! Is it a command for all individuals universal ? No, by no means, its for the Elect or Chosen of God universally, God Spiritual Israel from amongst the jews and Gentiles. Repentance has been granted solely to Israel with the accompanying forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince anda Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
"a Saviour to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."
But to have us understand that this Israel is #1 Spiritual and #2 Universal reaching into all ethnic groups, we learn this Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.And that is why repentance with remission of sins should be preached universally to all nations Lk 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Cp Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness/remission of sins.
Now Israel is Gods Chosen, that is Spiritual Israel is, an Israel Chosen in Gods Chosen Christ !
Eph 1:4
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 1d
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Now is this a universal command of God ? Yes by means ! Is it a command for all individuals universal ? No, by no means, its for the Elect or Chosen of God universally, God Spiritual Israel from amongst the jews and Gentiles. Repentance has been granted solely to Israel with the accompanying forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince anda Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
"a Saviour to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins."
But to have us understand that this Israel is #1 Spiritual and #2 Universal reaching into all ethnic groups, we learn this Acts 11:18
When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.And that is why repentance with remission of sins should be preached universally to all nations Lk 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Cp Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness/remission of sins.
Now Israel is Gods Chosen, that is Spiritual Israel is, an Israel Chosen in Gods Chosen Christ !
Eph 1:4
4According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 1d
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nope. not at all. I searched the term "spiritual Israel" in Scripture:
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria="spiritual+Israel"&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
Call God's people what God calls His people and quit adding your own spin on matters of which you think you know truth, but in all actuality, the truth eludes you.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/search.cfm?Criteria="spiritual+Israel"&t=KJV#s=s_primary_0_1
Call God's people what God calls His people and quit adding your own spin on matters of which you think you know truth, but in all actuality, the truth eludes you.
In vss 6 - 8, Paul makes distinction between the children of the flesh (Ishmael) and the children of promise (Isaac).
Isaac was the son promised to Abraham and Sarah. Ishmael was the son of Abraham and Hagar.
Please note that before Esau was born, God told Rebekah the elder shall serve the younger (Gen 25:23).
Do you know where it is written Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated? A lot of people think that was written before Esau was born. However, it was long after Esau's death when God made that statement (Malachi 1:2-3). As a matter of fact, in Deut 23:7, God told the children of Israel Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother (Edom is Esau - Gen 25:30).
Esau despised his birthright and sold it to Jacob (Gen 25:30-34).
As Esau rejected his birthright, sold it for a morsel of meat, God allowed Esau to live with the consequence of his actions.
No one on this site denies God's mercy or God's compassion.
No one on this site denies God's grace. As far as Philippians 2:13, that is written to and concerning the born again believer.
Do you believe Philippians 2:13 refers to God being at work within the unbeliever?
Do you believe a person can reject God? brightfame52 does not.
Do you believe Bezaleel was an unbeliever? Do you believe Isaiah 50:4 relates to the unbeliever?
The verse in Exodus relates to the children of Israel and God did bring them out of the bondage of Egypt. However, the children of Israel rejected the word of Joshua and Caleb (that they should enter into the promised land) and refused to go in (Num 14, Deut 1).
In Daniel, the reason Jehoiakim was given into the hand of Nebuchadnezzer was because he did evil in the sight of the Lord (2 Chron 36:5).
I believe God allows mankind to reject Him, His goodness, His grace and mercy, and in rejecting, people live with the consequence of their decisions.
Do you? ... or do you agree with brightfame52?
Isaac was the son promised to Abraham and Sarah. Ishmael was the son of Abraham and Hagar.
Please note that before Esau was born, God told Rebekah the elder shall serve the younger (Gen 25:23).
Do you know where it is written Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated? A lot of people think that was written before Esau was born. However, it was long after Esau's death when God made that statement (Malachi 1:2-3). As a matter of fact, in Deut 23:7, God told the children of Israel Thou shalt not abhor an Edomite; for he is thy brother (Edom is Esau - Gen 25:30).
Esau despised his birthright and sold it to Jacob (Gen 25:30-34).
As Esau rejected his birthright, sold it for a morsel of meat, God allowed Esau to live with the consequence of his actions.
No one on this site denies God's mercy or God's compassion.
No one on this site denies God's grace. As far as Philippians 2:13, that is written to and concerning the born again believer.
Do you believe Philippians 2:13 refers to God being at work within the unbeliever?
Do you believe a person can reject God? brightfame52 does not.
Do you believe Bezaleel was an unbeliever? Do you believe Isaiah 50:4 relates to the unbeliever?
The verse in Exodus relates to the children of Israel and God did bring them out of the bondage of Egypt. However, the children of Israel rejected the word of Joshua and Caleb (that they should enter into the promised land) and refused to go in (Num 14, Deut 1).
In Daniel, the reason Jehoiakim was given into the hand of Nebuchadnezzer was because he did evil in the sight of the Lord (2 Chron 36:5).
I believe God allows mankind to reject Him, His goodness, His grace and mercy, and in rejecting, people live with the consequence of their decisions.
Do you? ... or do you agree with brightfame52?
Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament indicates in its definition of δίδωμι:
the "something to be done" is not reject.
6. δίδωμι is joined with nouns denoting an act or an effect
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b. the noun denotes something to be done by him to whom it is said to be given: διδόναι τίνι μετάνοιαν, to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; γνῶσινσωτηρίας,Luke 1:77; ἐλπίδα τίνι, 2 Thessalonians 2:16.
the "something to be done" is not reject.
Repentance is Limited to Gods Elect/Chosen ! 2
You see, repentance is based upon in the evangelical sense, the forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Lk 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem
Its the Chosen in Christ who have forgiveness of sins, Eph 1:4,7
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
In whom we [The Chosen in Christ the Beloved Vs4] have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 9
You see, repentance is based upon in the evangelical sense, the forgiveness of sins Acts 5:31
Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Lk 24:47
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem
Its the Chosen in Christ who have forgiveness of sins, Eph 1:4,7
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
In whom we [The Chosen in Christ the Beloved Vs4] have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; 9
Keep reading in Ephesians 1, brighfame52. Paul wrote a letter to the believers at Ephesus:
Ephesians 1:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye [believers at Ephesus] also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
The believers at Ephesus trusted after they heard the gospel. After they heard, they believed, After they believed, they were sealed.
God reaches out and when God is not rejected, the result is His blessing.
God's Word does not state "ye were sealed before you believed" ...
God's Word does not state "ye believed before ye heard" ...
Ephesians 1:
12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.
13 In whom ye [believers at Ephesus] also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
The believers at Ephesus trusted after they heard the gospel. After they heard, they believed, After they believed, they were sealed.
God reaches out and when God is not rejected, the result is His blessing.
God's Word does not state "ye were sealed before you believed" ...
God's Word does not state "ye believed before ye heard" ...
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No. Not at all. I understand your point. I also understand that you pull verses out of context in order to prop up your point.
Read the whole context ... allow God to reveal what He wants you to understand concerning His boundless love, grace, mercy, blessings, etc., etc., toward mankind.
Read the whole context ... allow God to reveal what He wants you to understand concerning His boundless love, grace, mercy, blessings, etc., etc., toward mankind.
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I understand not all repent. I believe those who do not repent are those who reject God ... which is a concept you reject ... even though we see mankind rejecting throughout the whole Bible (from time of Adam to present and on to future ... Gen to Rev).
Your premise is that mankind cannot reject and, furthermore, that God withholds from those who are not "Gods Elect".
Your premise is that mankind cannot reject and, furthermore, that God withholds from those who are not "Gods Elect".