Proof of a Future Millennial Kingdom

[SarahM777]

I think its possible it will be rebuilt, however I dont think it is the real temple, just a knock off copy of what is to come when Yahshua returns.

Let me ask you something please,
if the kingdom is already on earth and alot is already fulfilled and alot is metaphor

how will the Messiah return? literally, metaphorically? or something else?

UMM But where in scripture does anyone say there will be a third temple? I know people point to Revelation 11 as part of it

Revelation 11

11 I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers. 2 But exclude the outer court; do not measure it, because it has been given to the Gentiles.

But there is one thing odd about that,why doesn't John ever mention that the temple has changed if it's a different temple? Which is a bit odd because of two things,one John spent time at the temple,why would not see that it was a different temple,there is no wonderment or questioning about the temple that he saw in the vision,and two John was with Jesus and knew that Jesus had said that the temple would be destroyed and not one stone would be left upon another,and yet he never mentions that that was done and another temple was built?

 

[Ariel82]

Peace on Earth, good will toward men.
Linus and Snoopy living in peace.
Right?

lol. now I'm going to have this image in my head all day.

thanks for the laugh

gotta do chores....

 

[1still_waters]

you guys can portray me however you like.

I gave my opinion, virtually nobody properly addresse the counter view, and i have disagreed with you in the past and it is unfruitful every time. even if I answers ALL you questions you will just pick more and more with your false doctrine

if the kingdom of Yahweh is already here for you I ask why is there still death, famine, disease, etc?

seems to me you are blinded and drooling to accept the false kingdom of the anti-Messiah.

the kingdom I want to enter is not made with human hands.

Because he's still in the process of putting everything under his feet.
The presence of these things doesn't indicate he's not on the throne, or his kingdom isn't here. It just indicates he's reigning, and putting things under his feet.

1 Cor 15
[SUP]25[/SUP]For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. [SUP]26 [/SUP]The last enemy to be destroyed is death

Hebrews 2
[SUP]8 [/SUP] putting everything in subjection under his feet.”

Now in putting everything in subjection to him, he left nothing outside his control. At present, we do not yet see everything in subjection to him.[SUP]9 [/SUP]But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.

 

[1still_waters]

you guys can portray me however you like.

I gave my opinion, virtually nobody properly addresse the counter view, and i have disagreed with you in the past and it is unfruitful every time. even if I answers ALL you questions you will just pick more and more with your false doctrine

if the kingdom of Yahweh is already here for you I ask why is there still death, famine, disease, etc?

seems to me you are blinded and drooling to accept the false kingdom of the anti-Messiah.

the kingdom I want to enter is not made with human hands.

Also if a sign of the millennial kingdom is lack of death, then some are in for a rude awakening if they think animal sacrifices will be present during the 1000 reign. Because if you have sacrifices, guess what you have...You have death. And if death can't be present while he's reigning, then he won't be technically reigning in a literal 1000 years on earth while he's receiving animal sacrifices.

 

[SarahM777]

Also if a sign of the millennial kingdom is lack of death, then some are in for a rude awakening if they think animal sacrifices will be present during the 1000 reign. Because if you have sacrifices, guess what you have...You have death. And if death can't be present while he's reigning, then he won't be technically reigning in a literal 1000 years on earth while he's receiving animal sacrifices.

UMM And doesn't that bode another question,why would God allow animal sacrifices again after Jesus has already been made the perfect sacrifice? Doesn't that make Jesus sacrifice less or summik?

 

[1still_waters]

UMM And doesn't that bode another question,why would God allow animal sacrifices again after Jesus has already been made the perfect sacrifice? Doesn't that make Jesus sacrifice less or summik?

Ummm the explanation I've heard is that they wouldn't be for atonement, but rather would be gifts/offerings.

 

[psychomom]

Rev 11:1
I was given a reed like a measuring rod and was told, “Go and measure the temple of God and the altar, with its worshipers

1 Cor. 3:16
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?

1 Cor. 6:19
Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?

2 Cor. 6:16
Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
“I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM;
AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.

Eph. 2:19-22
So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God’s household, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,
in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord,
in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why the Early Church Finally Rejected Premillennialism < click

If the view held by the apostles and early church fathers was rejected by those who came later, it's absolutely irrelevant what the rationalizations are.

 

[SarahM777]

Ummm the explanation I've heard is that they wouldn't be for atonement, but rather would be gifts/offerings.

UMM But doesn't God say this to Isaiah?

Isaiah 1

10 Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the instruction of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
11 “The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.

or when He says this

Psalm 50

“Listen, my people, and I will speak;
I will testify against you, Israel:
I am God, your God.
8 I bring no charges against you concerning your sacrifices
or concerning your burnt offerings, which are ever before me.
9 I have no need of a bull from your stall
or of goats from your pens,
10 for every animal of the forest is mine,
and the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 I know every bird in the mountains,
and the insects in the fields are mine.
12 If I were hungry I would not tell you,
for the world is mine, and all that is in it.
13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls
or drink the blood of goats?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Also if a sign of the millennial kingdom is lack of death, then some are in for a rude awakening if they think animal sacrifices will be present during the 1000 reign. Because if you have sacrifices, guess what you have...You have death. And if death can't be present while he's reigning, then he won't be technically reigning in a literal 1000 years on earth while he's receiving animal sacrifices.

Is this another false characterization of the millennial age? Who is saying that there won't be any death?

 

[1still_waters]

UMM But doesn't God say this to Isaiah?

Isaiah 1

10 Hear the word of the Lord,
you rulers of Sodom;
listen to the instruction of our God,
you people of Gomorrah!
11 “The multitude of your sacrifices—
what are they to me?” says the Lord.
“I have more than enough of burnt offerings,
of rams and the fat of fattened animals;
I have no pleasure
in the blood of bulls and lambs and goats.

or when He says this

Psalm 50

“Listen, my people, and I will speak;
I will testify against you, Israel:
I am God, your God.
8 I bring no charges against you concerning your sacrifices
or concerning your burnt offerings, which are ever before me.
9 I have no need of a bull from your stall
or of goats from your pens,
10 for every animal of the forest is mine,
and the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 I know every bird in the mountains,
and the insects in the fields are mine.
12 If I were hungry I would not tell you,
for the world is mine, and all that is in it.
13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls
or drink the blood of goats?

Just to give the other side a voice.
Those scriptures don't mean God doesn't accept our offerings.
He's just saying he doesn't need them, and especially from rebellious people.

 

[1still_waters]

Is this another false characterization of the millennial age? Who is saying that there won't be any death?

This poster claimed that..
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...-future-millennial-kingdom-6.html#post1176902

you guys can portray me however you like.

I gave my opinion, virtually nobody properly addresse the counter view, and i have disagreed with you in the past and it is unfruitful every time. even if I answers ALL you questions you will just pick more and more with your false doctrine

if the kingdom of Yahweh is already here for you I ask why is there still death, famine, disease, etc?

seems to me you are blinded and drooling to accept the false kingdom of the anti-Messiah.

the kingdom I want to enter is not made with human hands.

Enlarged cuz you missed it the first time when I quoted him in my reply back to him.

 

[psychomom]

Psalm 50

“Listen, my people, and I will speak;
I will testify against you, Israel:
I am God, your God.
8 I bring no charges against you concerning your sacrifices
or concerning your burnt offerings, which are ever before me.
9 I have no need of a bull from your stall
or of goats from your pens,
10 for every animal of the forest is mine,
and the cattle on a thousand hills.
11 I know every bird in the mountains,
and the insects in the fields are mine.
12 If I were hungry I would not tell you,
for the world is mine, and all that is in it.
13 Do I eat the flesh of bulls
or drink the blood of goats?

Acts 17:24-25
The God who made the world and all things in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands;
nor is He served by human hands, as though He needed anything, since He Himself gives to all people life and breath and all things.

And there in Psalm 50 is another use of "thousand".

for every animal of the forest is mine,
and the cattle on a thousand hills.

Is God saying the cattle on the thousand-first hill are not His?

 

[SarahM777]

Just to give the other side a voice.
Those scriptures don't mean God doesn't accept our offerings.
He's just saying he doesn't need them, and especially from rebellious people.

UMMM But isn't this the sacrifice from us God is really looking for

15 Open my lips, Lord,
and my mouth will declare your praise.
16 You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;
you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.
17 My sacrifice, O God, is[a] a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.

Proverbs 21

2

A person may think their own ways are right,
but the Lord weighs the heart.


3 To do what is right and just
is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

Matthew 9

12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Isn't God saying He is looking for something other than those type of sacrifices?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

how come though?
if you agree with these:

* It is highly Christocentric: it makes Christ the center of all the biblical covenants (even the “Land” covenant or Siniatic)

* It notes the universal scope of the Abrahamic Covenant (as key) to interpreting the rest of the biblical covenants

then what remains to happen during the future 1,000 years?

Christ inherited the land, and he's not going to rule over it? GOD promised the land to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and they won't be there to enjoy it?

bizarre

 

[1still_waters]

UMMM But isn't this the sacrifice from us God is really looking for

15 Open my lips, Lord,
and my mouth will declare your praise.
16 You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it;
you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.
17 My sacrifice, O God, is[a] a broken spirit;
a broken and contrite heart
you, God, will not despise.

Proverbs 21

2

A person may think their own ways are right,
but the Lord weighs the heart.


3 To do what is right and just
is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice.

Matthew 9

12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

Isn't God saying He is looking for something other than those type of sacrifices?

I think it's about the heart.

We can give tons of words of praise and it can be as meaningless as a physical offering that comes from a bad heart too.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Originally Posted by zone

Why the Early Church Finally Rejected Premillennialism < click

This article begins with the mischaracterization that the millennial kingdom is temporary...

 

[rapturewatch]

The millennial reign of Christ will begin, a time during which the false prophet and the beast (Antichrist), the first to be thrown into the lake of fire, will begin to serve their eternal sentences. Satan will be confined in the bottomless pit, and there will be none of his minions to torment and tempt the millennial earth-dwellers. It will be a time much like the times of Eden, with the earth restored to its pristine beauty. (Read Rev. 20-10.) After the 1,000 years, the devil will be released from the pit for a short space of time. He will lead millions of those who have been born during the millennium in an assault on Christ at Jerusalem. God will send down fire and consume them all. Satan will be cast into the lake of fire. The lost dead will be resurrected (their eternal bodies joined to their souls), and all will stand before the great white throne of Christ to be judged. All will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity. (Read Rev. 20:10-15.) God "Jesus Christ" will remake the heavens and the earth in preparation for everlasting, ever-growing ecstasy in God's presence. (Read Rev. 20:16-22: 16.)

 

[1still_waters]

The millennial reign of Christ will begin, a time during which the false prophet and the beast (Antichrist), the first to be thrown into the lake of fire, will begin to serve their eternal sentences. Satan will be confined in the bottomless pit, and there will be none of his minions to torment and tempt the millennial earth-dwellers. It will be a time much like the times of Eden, with the earth restored to its pristine beauty. (Read Rev. 20-10.) After the 1,000 years, the devil will be released from the pit for a short space of time. He will lead millions of those who have been born during the millennium in an assault on Christ at Jerusalem. God will send down fire and consume them all. Satan will be cast into the lake of fire. The lost dead will be resurrected (their eternal bodies joined to their souls), and all will stand before the great white throne of Christ to be judged. All will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity. (Read Rev. 20:10-15.) God "Jesus Christ" will remake the heavens and the earth in preparation for everlasting, ever-growing ecstasy in God's presence. (Read Rev. 20:16-22: 16.)

First you say..

It will be a time much like the times of Eden, with the earth restored to its pristine beauty. (Read Rev. 20-10.)

Then about after the 1000 you say..

God "Jesus Christ" will remake the heavens and the earth in preparation for everlasting, ever-growing ecstasy in God's presence. (Read Rev. 20:16-22: 16.)

It sounds like you're saying God is going to make a new creation twice. Once for the millennium, the again after the millennium.

So he's going to destroy his perfect creation and then make it perfect again?

 

[Hizikyah]

The earth is in a corrupt state, and will go throught change

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the
ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell
therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

But they will be RESTORED

Isayah 66:21-23, "And I will also take of them for priests and for Levites, says Yahweh. For as the new heavens and the new earth which I will make will remain before Me, says Yahweh: so will your seed and your name remain. And it will come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh will come to worship before Me, says Yahweh."

Also a question to those who believe the kingdom is already on earth:

How do you view the 7 vials, 7 bowls, and 7 trumpets?