Preparation for the tribulation.

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Jan 15, 2025
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[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The dead will "rise" = "resurrect". The living and the resurrected living will both be caught up together (caught up = raptured).
 

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[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The dead will "rise" = "resurrect". The living and the resurrected living will both be caught up together (caught up = raptured).

No, it's all the living saints who are caught up together to be with those in the clouds who are Christ and his resurrected saints. The resurrected dead are not raptured because they are already with Jesus.
 
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Regarding the dead in Christ:

1. When a Christian dies, he/she is away from the body and present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8)
2. When Jesus comes down from heaven to clouds, the spirits of the Christians could be with the Lord (1 Thess. 4:14)
3. When Jesus raises their bodies from the dead, their spirits will return to their bodies, and they will wake up (Luke 8:55)
4. Their bodies are in tombs or in the dust of the earth (John 5:28-29; Dan. 12:2). So their spirits will descend to the ground where their bodies are.
5. Then these resurrected believers will be brought back up to the clouds by angels, together with living believers (Matt. 24:31; 1 Thess. 4:17)

So yes, they are already with Jesus, but they will need to leave Jesus temporarily to go back to their bodies.
 
Aug 22, 2024
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I will give it you.
I'd like to show you how I come to the conclusion that we were going to go through the Tribulation

The last Trumpet that sounds as the two end time Witnesses are raised from the dead in the clouds in revelation11 ?

Rev11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

And we all know Jesus comes in the clouds at the last Trumpet

1Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the DEAD in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Cori15:51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST TRUMP: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Revelation11 has everything it's got the right time period, the last 42 months, as the Holy City is given to the Gentiles. it's got the Resurrection/Rapture, the dead rising first. it's got them raised in the clouds. it's got the last trumpet. What more could you ask for? It's got everything you need to build a strong foundation, a firm foundation. It's got more than enough to build your house upon a rock.

And if that's right then Matthew 24 is right.

Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days

shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, THEN the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And THEN shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and THEN shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the CLOUDS of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

And here is another one.

2 Thess2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That day cannot come except that man of sin be revealed, and sits in the Temple of God. and He cannot sit in the Temple of God and till the temple is built, and he doesn't sit in the temple until middle of the seven years


Daniel 11:36 and 37. Daniel 9:27.


Build your house upon a rock not on circumstantial evidence.


now show me what you built your house on. show me the pre tribulation foundation and stones that you built your house upon on this belief if you can.
The last trump is blown every year at the feast of trumpets.
So we both use that verse.
Ahem....you need at least ONE ACTUAL postrib verse.
So far you only provide verses that we both agree on.
Are you able to do what NO POSTRIBBER has ever done????
Provide one verse. One postrib RAPTURE VERSE.
 
Aug 22, 2024
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You don't care about the rest of the verses I can see that. just a bit that you like, just a bit that justifies to you a pretrb rupture.
And each one of our verses make your doctrine impossible.
You guys sit in ashes, with a destroyed doctrine and are oblivious to reality.

Ask yourself why you can not post a single verse pointing to a postrib rapture


Hello
 
Aug 22, 2024
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Regarding the dead in Christ:

1. When a Christian dies, he/she is away from the body and present with the Lord (2 Cor. 5:8)
2. When Jesus comes down from heaven to clouds, the spirits of the Christians could be with the Lord (1 Thess. 4:14)
3. When Jesus raises their bodies from the dead, their spirits will return to their bodies, and they will wake up (Luke 8:55)
4. Their bodies are in tombs or in the dust of the earth (John 5:28-29; Dan. 12:2). So their spirits will descend to the ground where their bodies are.
5. Then these resurrected believers will be brought back up to the clouds by angels, together with living believers (Matt. 24:31; 1 Thess. 4:17)

So yes, they are already with Jesus, but they will need to leave Jesus temporarily to go back to their bodies.
Yep.
No brainer.