Not By Works
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let me try a real life example- a person comes out of a drunken partying lifestyle, confess Jesus, and " lives right ". then, they go back to that lifestyle one day, and never again repent. did that person fall away, or were they never actually saved?
my question is WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?? that person ends up in the same place- unsaved.
we will never know what someone really truly believes. and since belief in Christ is the key, and we can't truly know what is in someone else's hearts and minds, why bother trying to judge??
my question is WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?? that person ends up in the same place- unsaved.
we will never know what someone really truly believes. and since belief in Christ is the key, and we can't truly know what is in someone else's hearts and minds, why bother trying to judge??
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works are not required for salvation period. Only work that was required was the work of the cross.
A person is saved the moment God accepts their faith The moment they call out to God in repentance and true faith. Not when we think they are saved when they said some sinners prayer, when other people think they are save,d WHEN GOD SAYS THEY ARE SAVED because they HAVE TRUE SAVING FAITH
They are born again, They are adopted. they are given eternal life. They are justified, redeemed, their sins were atoned for. they are part of the family of God.
because of the above, they work.
Sorry, But if Eternal Security in Christ is not true, that says man must have his part in salvation, which means salvation can be lost if man does not do his part.
Thats works, and man can take credit or boast of his saving work..
We will never agree on this..
A person is saved the moment God accepts their faith The moment they call out to God in repentance and true faith. Not when we think they are saved when they said some sinners prayer, when other people think they are save,d WHEN GOD SAYS THEY ARE SAVED because they HAVE TRUE SAVING FAITH
They are born again, They are adopted. they are given eternal life. They are justified, redeemed, their sins were atoned for. they are part of the family of God.
because of the above, they work.
Sorry, But if Eternal Security in Christ is not true, that says man must have his part in salvation, which means salvation can be lost if man does not do his part.
Thats works, and man can take credit or boast of his saving work..
We will never agree on this..
LOL... pot, meet kettle.... to the guy whose screen name brings to mind embarrassing gastric phenomena.....
ph paper and art both can be tied to paper.
fire, burn all paper and the gas quoted.
the bigger question, would be, will it burn with, a pop or a bang.
but deadly?
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lol, God made the child anology not us, So your argument is with God.
Your child was born of your seed,
We are born of the seed of God, what God calls incoruptable seed, which does not fade away.
What you propose is God will treat his children worse than a human will treat theirs..
the fact is, whether your child sins or not, whether he has faith in your or not. He is still your child period.
Your child was born of your seed,
We are born of the seed of God, what God calls incoruptable seed, which does not fade away.
What you propose is God will treat his children worse than a human will treat theirs..
the fact is, whether your child sins or not, whether he has faith in your or not. He is still your child period.
so who appointed, you judge to who god ,saves or did not save.
i will use a bible quote
a jewish wedding last 7 days.
Now there were six stone water jars there for the Jewish rites of purification, each holding twenty or thirty gallons.7 Jesus said to the servants, "Fill the jars with water." And they filled them up to the brim.8 And he said to them, "Now draw some out and take it to the master of the feast." So they took itJohn 2
would you consider, that a lot of wine, to be repenting for, not drinking it.
and since, when were you given this law, to define what a sin is, in order to condemn ,your self, who protects you from condemnation of the law,
I have about 15 people in ignore so I don't know what post he was referring to. I guess it's mine.
Most of those people have never said a disparaging word to me, and in some sense it shows my immaturity, but it's either ignore, and just read the posts from those who in some way express 1 Corinthians 13, or quit CC. I JUST CANT stomach the snarkiness, abuse, and lack of love anymore.
It does make keeping up with this thread easier though!! Lol
Most of those people have never said a disparaging word to me, and in some sense it shows my immaturity, but it's either ignore, and just read the posts from those who in some way express 1 Corinthians 13, or quit CC. I JUST CANT stomach the snarkiness, abuse, and lack of love anymore.
It does make keeping up with this thread easier though!! Lol
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Yup God is Just and Merciful and the cross proves it.
Well if we cannot understand Grace then all your talk of following Jesus is not possible,
Jesus is described as “the Word that “became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)
Well if we cannot understand Grace then all your talk of following Jesus is not possible,
Jesus is described as “the Word that “became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14)
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no she is not doing that at all
you just do not understand what the New Testment teaches about works
actually, I have seen you accusing her, so are you both doing it?
and look, I'm not happy to say this, but you sound childish in your defense
please prove from scripture where Christians are not to do good works?
can you please post FROM THE BIBLE, NT the passages pertaining to works?
they are there you know
no I won't lay off because I am not on
I judge what is taught because that is the territory to judge. you seem to be judging motive which is not your place or anyone's place unless someone is so far alt religious left, that they need a good rebuke
frankly, though I don't think a rebuke on a forum means a whole lot or most of would be rebuked right out of here
you do not have a clue what 'I better'...that sounds like a threat.