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Yes! I was kicked out because I said I watched Benny Hinn once and he had people coming up on a stage in a very big building/stadium so they could be..."slain?" And a man and woman came up together, holding hands. So he smacked the woman on the forehead and she fell down with a man standing behind her who kind of like...let her body slide to the ground against his own body. But the man went down when she went down because they were holding hands. So Hinn said, pick him up! I didn't touch him! So the guy picked the man up, but see, they were still holding hands so the woman came up WITH him. So then Hinn smacked her forehead again to "slay" her again, but they were STILL holding hands, so down they both went again! I started laughing so hard that I peed my pants before I could get out of the chair with the dog and cat on me and by the time I ran back, Hinn had resolved it somehow I guess because they were both among those laying on the ground. So I was kicked out for mocking a preacher and mocking something I didn't understand and also for saying I peed my pants, which happens when I laugh too hard. (It's an old lady thing, sorry.) But I DID understand, and that's WHY I was laughing at him. It's like wrestling. Some swear it's not staged, but of COURSE it is. I laugh at wrestling (the few times I saw it when flipping channels when I used to watch tv) the same way. Why would you not laugh at the ridiculousness? Actually, I thought they would have had a good reason to kick me out for not being sober about the people he hooks on his snake oil, but that is not the reason they did it. It was because they thought if one laughed at Hinn, it would encourage mocking of them too because they were also preachers. There was a younger preacher on that site who I was very concerned over and I wish I could know what became of him because they had him hooked up in some nonsense and I had some dreams about him and a terrible crash that he would be involved in because of them. But I trust him to God too!
Really?...go read it in context.
Matthew 24:13
Scripture is not full of contradictions, although some like to make it so.
Matthew 24:13
Scripture is not full of contradictions, although some like to make it so.
Matthew 24 is Jesus talking about the destruction of Jerusalem that was coming in 70 AD.
Context is king in all scripture - plus we must read it through the revealed finished work of Christ or we end up mixing up the Old Covenant with the New Covenant and we water them both down.
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way too many on here have not laid the foundation they think they have
if you don't understand the law, you really do not understand BIBLICAL grace
we are not saved by being good and we do not stay saved by being good (only God is good anyway)
actually, in HIS goodness, he has given His Spirit to each believer to produce the character of the One who died for the sin of the world
yet all are not saved as universalists (even the hidden ones in this thread..well they think they are hidden and do not intend to self identify because then they would have to explain that one and they know most won't agree so they stay 'hidden')
don't you see what appears to be a contradiction there? some solve it be becoming a universalist, others say it's because God choose who is saved or not saved, others pass it over because they don't want to even think about it, others go OUTSIDE of scripture to supply an answer and deceive themselves and the others
there is no contradiction when you apply scripture to scripture
God is not the author of confusion!
if you don't understand the law, you really do not understand BIBLICAL grace
we are not saved by being good and we do not stay saved by being good (only God is good anyway)
actually, in HIS goodness, he has given His Spirit to each believer to produce the character of the One who died for the sin of the world
yet all are not saved as universalists (even the hidden ones in this thread..well they think they are hidden and do not intend to self identify because then they would have to explain that one and they know most won't agree so they stay 'hidden')
don't you see what appears to be a contradiction there? some solve it be becoming a universalist, others say it's because God choose who is saved or not saved, others pass it over because they don't want to even think about it, others go OUTSIDE of scripture to supply an answer and deceive themselves and the others
there is no contradiction when you apply scripture to scripture
God is not the author of confusion!
SS
I've heard scripture twisted so much I've begun to call it Pretzel making.
Believe doesn't mean believe
Endure doesn't mean endure
until doesn't mean until
IF doesn't mean if
Corruption doesn't mean corruption
and so on...
And I love the use of the Greek helps.
Didn't you know that if you don't know Greek, you CANNOT understand the bible?
I say we all go back to university and study Koinè Greek.
Then MAYBE, just maybe, we'll know what Jesus meant.
Those dumb translators didn't know WHAT they were doing!!
I've heard scripture twisted so much I've begun to call it Pretzel making.
Believe doesn't mean believe
Endure doesn't mean endure
until doesn't mean until
IF doesn't mean if
Corruption doesn't mean corruption
and so on...
And I love the use of the Greek helps.
Didn't you know that if you don't know Greek, you CANNOT understand the bible?
I say we all go back to university and study Koinè Greek.
Then MAYBE, just maybe, we'll know what Jesus meant.
Those dumb translators didn't know WHAT they were doing!!
Anyway - I am off for awhile. Everyone play nice with each other.
Here is the way that Paul put it when talking with the baby Corinthians.
2 Corinthians 12:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For I am afraid that perhaps when I come I may find you to be not what I wish and may be found by you to be not what you wish; that perhaps there will be strife, jealousy, angry tempers, disputes, slanders, gossip, arrogance, disturbances;
Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. But we are convinced of "better things" concerning you brethren says the writer of Hebrews.
Hebrews 6:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.
Galatians 5:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
Here is the way that Paul put it when talking with the baby Corinthians.
2 Corinthians 12:20 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For I am afraid that perhaps when I come I may find you to be not what I wish and may be found by you to be not what you wish; that perhaps there will be strife, jealousy, angry tempers, disputes, slanders, gossip, arrogance, disturbances;
Galatians 5:15-16 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not carry out the desire of the flesh. But we are convinced of "better things" concerning you brethren says the writer of Hebrews.
Hebrews 6:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But, beloved, we are convinced of better things concerning you, and things that accompany salvation, though we are speaking in this way.
Galatians 5:15 (NASB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another.
Hi Grace...I get moments to as i am sure everyone does...Sometimes i get a feeling deep down inside of me that i know is the Holy Spirit, i sit and smile and sometimes it brings tears of Joy to me, especially if i am having a bad day...I was reading in the Bible the other day, sorry i can`t recall the Scripture, but it says to me it is when God lifts us up in Him, i enjoy the moment, then i treasure it because if i think about it to much, the evil one has many times come and snatched it from me and made me believe it was all in my imagination, but i know it`s truly the Lord ...xox...
...xox...One of the apostles had discussion with some concerned elders about some gentiles and the apostle basically said: well, since I saw that they received the same Spirit we did, it's apparent that he has saved them too. Of course I'm no apostle, but I could see easily enough that he had received the same Spirit I had. So what could I do at that point but thank God and...marvel? I certainly couldn't insist that he was unsaved because of some wrong doctrine or understanding seeing as how he had received the same Spirit that I had.
when do, we have the same, IQ as god.
for example
jesus endured to the end ,of his calling and ministry.(let the fathers will be done)
when did that depend on me. when did i save my self. when can i conquer death alone, if i have no understand , to how and why his son, was ressurrected in the first place.
then ware is your definition ,to the end. if new means new begining. etc
for example
jesus endured to the end ,of his calling and ministry.(let the fathers will be done)
when did that depend on me. when did i save my self. when can i conquer death alone, if i have no understand , to how and why his son, was ressurrected in the first place.
then ware is your definition ,to the end. if new means new begining. etc
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But will you come right out and say that works are required in salvation because that's what saved people do, and if you don't have works to prove your relationship with Christ on the Day of Judgment then you aren't really born again, and so it is in that way that works are required? Can you come right out an say that without disguising it in other things?
If you can do that without all the 'if's, and's, and butts' then you will remove all possibility for disagreement and confusion with Fran and the rest of us. .........then we can concentrate on OSAS, lol.
If you can do that without all the 'if's, and's, and butts' then you will remove all possibility for disagreement and confusion with Fran and the rest of us. .........then we can concentrate on OSAS, lol.