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I'm tired Grace.
But this is easy..
Context..
Mathew 24:13
Jesus was teaching His disciples about the end times.
Or was He teaching about the destruction of Jerusalem...
I could be both. He was teaching about Jerusalem 70 AD
AND the end of times.
Why?
Mathew 24:3
His disciples asked Jesus, privately, WHEN will be the sign of Your coming? and at the END OF THE AGE.
So. Was Jesus supposed to come back at the destruction of Jerusalem, OR at the end of the the world?
The "end of the age" could arguabley mean till 70 AD.
BUT, Jesus' coming back is DEFINITELY at the end of the world.
-----that takes care of the Jerusalem 70 AD problem-----
Mathew 24:4-8 are accepted as referring to the end of the world. This is repeated over and over again---"wars and rumors of wars" --- no one can deny that this refers to the end of the world.
Mathew 24:10
"At that time, many will fall away..."
FALL AWAY MEANS FALL AWAY, LEAVE, DEPART, NO LONGER BELONG TO...
and many false prophets will arise and lead many astray, they will MISLEAD them, as is happening, in fact.
NOW THIS IS FOR EVERYONE HERE RIGHT NOW.....
Mathew 24:12
"And because LAWLESSNESS is increased, most people's love will grow cold...
Mathew 24:13
"BUT THE ONE WHO ENDURES TILL THE END, HE SHALL BE SAVED."
Mathew 24:14
"And the gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in the Whole world for a witness to ALL NATIONS, and then THE END WILL COME."
Was the gospel preached to all nations in 70 AD? No.
Were the persons alive when Jesus was speaking still going to be alive in 70 AD? Maybe. Maybe not.
What must people endure?
That their LOVE not GROW COLD.
If a person's love grows cold, NO MATTER WHEN, he has NOT ENDURED TILL THE END.
The scenario was for 70 AD AND the end of the world.
The endurance of the person is for EVERYONE OF ANY AGE AND FOR ALL TIME.
Jesus was NOT just speaking about Jerusalem 70 AD.
This is used by those who wish to show that endurance is not necessary.
There are other verses but I must leave now.
ENDURE MEANS TO ENDURE.
I feel like I just wrote to Sevenseas about how words don't really mean what they mean. Strange.
But this is easy..
Context..
Mathew 24:13
Jesus was teaching His disciples about the end times.
Or was He teaching about the destruction of Jerusalem...
I could be both. He was teaching about Jerusalem 70 AD
AND the end of times.
Why?
Mathew 24:3
His disciples asked Jesus, privately, WHEN will be the sign of Your coming? and at the END OF THE AGE.
So. Was Jesus supposed to come back at the destruction of Jerusalem, OR at the end of the the world?
The "end of the age" could arguabley mean till 70 AD.
BUT, Jesus' coming back is DEFINITELY at the end of the world.
-----that takes care of the Jerusalem 70 AD problem-----
Mathew 24:4-8 are accepted as referring to the end of the world. This is repeated over and over again---"wars and rumors of wars" --- no one can deny that this refers to the end of the world.
Mathew 24:10
"At that time, many will fall away..."
FALL AWAY MEANS FALL AWAY, LEAVE, DEPART, NO LONGER BELONG TO...
and many false prophets will arise and lead many astray, they will MISLEAD them, as is happening, in fact.
NOW THIS IS FOR EVERYONE HERE RIGHT NOW.....
Mathew 24:12
"And because LAWLESSNESS is increased, most people's love will grow cold...
Mathew 24:13
"BUT THE ONE WHO ENDURES TILL THE END, HE SHALL BE SAVED."
Mathew 24:14
"And the gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in the Whole world for a witness to ALL NATIONS, and then THE END WILL COME."
Was the gospel preached to all nations in 70 AD? No.
Were the persons alive when Jesus was speaking still going to be alive in 70 AD? Maybe. Maybe not.
What must people endure?
That their LOVE not GROW COLD.
If a person's love grows cold, NO MATTER WHEN, he has NOT ENDURED TILL THE END.
The scenario was for 70 AD AND the end of the world.
The endurance of the person is for EVERYONE OF ANY AGE AND FOR ALL TIME.
Jesus was NOT just speaking about Jerusalem 70 AD.
This is used by those who wish to show that endurance is not necessary.
There are other verses but I must leave now.
ENDURE MEANS TO ENDURE.
I feel like I just wrote to Sevenseas about how words don't really mean what they mean. Strange.
Nice to understand only Grace.
Problem is, and I've said it many times...
God is LOVE but
God is also JUST.
If you don't understand the Law and what it means to be UNDER THE LAW,
how could you possibly understand Grace?
Does anybody really understand Grace anyway? I doubt it.
What does it mean to be under the Law UG?
Do you think anybody on this thread is UNDER THE LAW?
Problem is, and I've said it many times...
God is LOVE but
God is also JUST.
If you don't understand the Law and what it means to be UNDER THE LAW,
how could you possibly understand Grace?
Does anybody really understand Grace anyway? I doubt it.
What does it mean to be under the Law UG?
Do you think anybody on this thread is UNDER THE LAW?
if context is king, why, repent (do you say repent in some of your posts).. for the law condems, when a saviour saved
you, from condemnation of law. so having the wrong foundations, cannot be in line with context to scripture. etc
when ask, when did you, conquer death, when did god lead you, into the desert. etc
if death is conquered , then why dose it need, to be conquered again, if you believe the saviour saved you, when did, he say, we will join him. etc
you, from condemnation of law. so having the wrong foundations, cannot be in line with context to scripture. etc
when ask, when did you, conquer death, when did god lead you, into the desert. etc
if death is conquered , then why dose it need, to be conquered again, if you believe the saviour saved you, when did, he say, we will join him. etc
S
LOL!
so Gentiles only carry a concealed New Testament?
LOL! again
if Jesus explained salvation FROM the law and so does Paul, I'm thinking some folks is just plain neglecting their studies
if you think quote unquote Gentiles understand grace, then you have been hiding under a rock in these forums and just came up for air
ps: I'm joking but awful serious and I am not making fun of you
so Gentiles only carry a concealed New Testament?
LOL! again
if Jesus explained salvation FROM the law and so does Paul, I'm thinking some folks is just plain neglecting their studies
if you think quote unquote Gentiles understand grace, then you have been hiding under a rock in these forums and just came up for air
ps: I'm joking but awful serious and I am not making fun of you
was the bible in print, before you were born.
you have free will, to say what you want.
you picture on your profile , at a guess, would indicate you are a gentile.
jesus christ was in heaven ,when you first opened,your bible.
70 ad, when would that trouble, a gentile believer, regarding his belief system.
you have free will, to say what you want.
you picture on your profile , at a guess, would indicate you are a gentile.
jesus christ was in heaven ,when you first opened,your bible.
70 ad, when would that trouble, a gentile believer, regarding his belief system.
I've said this before...
It's OK to use humans to make people understand God a little when they're new in the faith.
BUT LET'S STOP MAKING GOD OUT TO BE A HUMAN PERSON.
He's GOD.
YOU don't have a contract with God, you have a COVENANT with him.
You say you understand covenants, so what say you start to act like it.
God will demand much more of us since we're under a Covenant than if we were under contract to Him.
HE DEMANDS MORE from a son.
NOT LESS.
We need to stop comparing God to a human father is a realistic way.
Even a human father will not give an inheritance to a son who is mean and not respecting of his parents, and mistreats them, and abandons them. Why should they leave him an inheritance? Would you? Why would your son DESERVE one?
Oh. Excuse me. I used the word deserve. Does God NOT deserve our love?
Are we NOT to love Him till the end?
This son idea has to disappear.
Even the parable of the Prodigal Son gets all twisted out of shape to make it fit OSAS doctrine.
THAT IS NOT WHAT THE PARABLE IS ABOUT.
The son was LOST and returned to the Father.
PLAIN AS DAY.
But not for everyone...
It's OK to use humans to make people understand God a little when they're new in the faith.
BUT LET'S STOP MAKING GOD OUT TO BE A HUMAN PERSON.
He's GOD.
YOU don't have a contract with God, you have a COVENANT with him.
You say you understand covenants, so what say you start to act like it.
God will demand much more of us since we're under a Covenant than if we were under contract to Him.
HE DEMANDS MORE from a son.
NOT LESS.
We need to stop comparing God to a human father is a realistic way.
Even a human father will not give an inheritance to a son who is mean and not respecting of his parents, and mistreats them, and abandons them. Why should they leave him an inheritance? Would you? Why would your son DESERVE one?
Oh. Excuse me. I used the word deserve. Does God NOT deserve our love?
Are we NOT to love Him till the end?
This son idea has to disappear.
Even the parable of the Prodigal Son gets all twisted out of shape to make it fit OSAS doctrine.
THAT IS NOT WHAT THE PARABLE IS ABOUT.
The son was LOST and returned to the Father.
PLAIN AS DAY.
But not for everyone...
E
I have, And history has been proven in the past to be not reliable. Those in charge write history, who was in charge?
and yes, Everything that can be trusted is in the bible. (it is the only religable source and th eonly thing God will hold you accountable to.
If it does not line up with the bible. then it is of men, not God.
The catholic church looks nothing like the NT church, plain and simple. Study the bible. not the words of men.
and yes, Everything that can be trusted is in the bible. (it is the only religable source and th eonly thing God will hold you accountable to.
If it does not line up with the bible. then it is of men, not God.
The catholic church looks nothing like the NT church, plain and simple. Study the bible. not the words of men.
P
The day natural children are born by faith in their natural parents forgiveness then you'll have an argument.
You people stretch this child/ adopted child analogy too far. Since you do that, and it seems okay with you, perhaps you should start teaching how since natural children born to their parents eventually grow up and away from their parents that spiritual children do the same thing, too, and don't need to depend on God anymore but can take care of themselves--you know, grow up into a 'works' gospel of their own.
You people stretch this child/ adopted child analogy too far. Since you do that, and it seems okay with you, perhaps you should start teaching how since natural children born to their parents eventually grow up and away from their parents that spiritual children do the same thing, too, and don't need to depend on God anymore but can take care of themselves--you know, grow up into a 'works' gospel of their own.