John 3 and Water Baptism in the Ministry of Jesus Christ
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wrong again..... faith, belief, obedience equals salvation.
Would Noah's family have been saved if they had refused to get on the ark? Would God have saved them "anyway" ?
What if an OT Jewish man refused to be circumcised? Would God have considered him to be in the covenant "anyway" ?
These are all acts of obedience.... NOT works. You folks just can't seem to wrap your heads around the whole obedience thing....
Would Noah's family have been saved if they had refused to get on the ark? Would God have saved them "anyway" ?
What if an OT Jewish man refused to be circumcised? Would God have considered him to be in the covenant "anyway" ?
These are all acts of obedience.... NOT works. You folks just can't seem to wrap your heads around the whole obedience thing....
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Um nope. In the greek it does not say this. The Holy spirit refers to repentance only
I am not the one dancing, I am keeping the gospel consistent with the gospel of repentance for remission of sin
Your adding a work, hey good luck with that.. Read what Jesus said to those who cast out demons in his name. what good did those works do for them?
I am not the one dancing, I am keeping the gospel consistent with the gospel of repentance for remission of sin
Your adding a work, hey good luck with that.. Read what Jesus said to those who cast out demons in his name. what good did those works do for them?
Yeah, it kinda does say exactly that.... at least in the online Greek/English interlinear....
exactly in the order I showed you. Repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Spirit....
Which Greek translation are you using, that does not mention baptism? We are talking about Peter at Pentecost....
exactly in the order I showed you. Repent, be baptized, receive the Holy Spirit....
Which Greek translation are you using, that does not mention baptism? We are talking about Peter at Pentecost....
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Um no it does not. Its impossible.
Repent is second person plural and resolves with gift of the spirit, which is also second person.
be baptized is third person singular. which means it has nothing to do with the gift of the holy spirit (they do nto match case)
I am not using a translation. I looked up words..
In no language does a second person plural command match up with a 3rd person singular command
in no language does a 3rd person singular command match up with a second person plural object.
If you really were honest in studying you would know this.
Repent is second person plural and resolves with gift of the spirit, which is also second person.
be baptized is third person singular. which means it has nothing to do with the gift of the holy spirit (they do nto match case)
I am not using a translation. I looked up words..
In no language does a second person plural command match up with a 3rd person singular command
in no language does a 3rd person singular command match up with a second person plural object.
If you really were honest in studying you would know this.
Actually I just interpret the word correctly. and do not follow an english translation [/quote]
I doubt he has a "Greek translation" that supports such nonsense.[/quote]
Well even if I did. It would not change what it says, and of course. the bible does not contradict itself either. so I would question anyway if I was honest. Why peter added baptism when Christ in so many cases did not
I think you have shown your lack of character with this post
I doubt he has a "Greek translation" that supports such nonsense.[/quote]
Well even if I did. It would not change what it says, and of course. the bible does not contradict itself either. so I would question anyway if I was honest. Why peter added baptism when Christ in so many cases did not
I think you have shown your lack of character with this post
This is just wrong, on every level. Applying English grammatical rules to Greek is one of the most "wrong headed" ways of "studying" scripture.
Since you are "smarter" than the translators in a Greek/English online Bible, I'll let you argue with this screenshot of the scriptures in question.. if you cannot read between the KJV English and the translated Greek..... you are not a student at all. My mind is really boggled with your "logic" at this point...
Just to help..... the blue lettered words are the closest direct translation of the Greek written above them.... out to the right is the KJV scripture....
I'm certainly not a Greek scholar, but even I can read this, and see what it says.
Since you are "smarter" than the translators in a Greek/English online Bible, I'll let you argue with this screenshot of the scriptures in question.. if you cannot read between the KJV English and the translated Greek..... you are not a student at all. My mind is really boggled with your "logic" at this point...
Just to help..... the blue lettered words are the closest direct translation of the Greek written above them.... out to the right is the KJV scripture....
I'm certainly not a Greek scholar, but even I can read this, and see what it says.
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Here let me help you Notice your greek english there does no give the word info. A better one would be the one like I show here from Bible hub. Notice, I have highlighted the words and the form of the word (2p = 2nd person plural, 3 s = 3rd person singular)
so this shows I am right.. repent is 2P Be baptized is 3S and gift of the spirit is 2P
Remission of sin is the object of being baptized..
Peter told them, since you have remission of sin, be baptized.
and they were. not to get saved, they were already saved "those who believed were baptized"
he who believes is not condemned, who he does not believe is condemned already (john 3) no baptism involved
so this shows I am right.. repent is 2P Be baptized is 3S and gift of the spirit is 2P
Remission of sin is the object of being baptized..
Peter told them, since you have remission of sin, be baptized.
and they were. not to get saved, they were already saved "those who believed were baptized"
he who believes is not condemned, who he does not believe is condemned already (john 3) no baptism involved
Cameron, stop being foolish!
You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without works is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. James 2:20-24
You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without works is useless? Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone. James 2:20-24
Jesus had harsh words concerning those who call another a fool...Matthew 5:22. Why doesn't it bother you that you're actions demonstrate a lack of love and are void of spiritual fruit? We are taught to examine ourselves to see whether we are in the faith, and not others. Perhaps if the log in your eye were removed you could clearly see me?