John 3 and Water Baptism in the Ministry of Jesus Christ
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I have clearly shown that you have shoehorned a grammatical definitive (alone) into your verses. Yet you deny it.
You have absurdly accused me of shoehorning a noun (baptism) into these verses. I have done no such thing.
There are many verses that tie baptism with salvation, without the need to surmise.
It is you who chose to pick these verses. Now explain the need to add your definitive (alone) to all of them.
Faith alone regeneration theology is a theology without an example.
You have absurdly accused me of shoehorning a noun (baptism) into these verses. I have done no such thing.
There are many verses that tie baptism with salvation, without the need to surmise.
It is you who chose to pick these verses. Now explain the need to add your definitive (alone) to all of them.
Faith alone regeneration theology is a theology without an example.
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I did not need to spell out the word "alone" next to belief/faith in each of those passages of scripture in order to figure out that those verses say belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications." Not belief/faith plus something else. The words belief/faith stand alone in each of those passages of scripture in connection with receiving eternal life. Hence, faith in Jesus Christ alone. Simple!
If you believe that we are not saved until after water baptism, then you are forced to either shoehorn baptism into belief/faith or else turn those complete passages of scripture that connect belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" with receiving eternal life into incomplete passages of scripture and then patch them together with verses on baptism in order to make the shoe fit but it doesn't fit.
There are a handful of verses that "on the surface" appear to tie baptism with salvation yet a careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts only prove that baptism is associated with salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.
I already thoroughly explained why but the truth just continues to go right over your head and there is a reason for that.
I already gave you numerous examples but you don't seem to understand what believers actually mean by salvation through faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) Prior to my conversion, I did not understand either.
If you believe that we are not saved until after water baptism, then you are forced to either shoehorn baptism into belief/faith or else turn those complete passages of scripture that connect belief/faith "apart from additions or modifications" with receiving eternal life into incomplete passages of scripture and then patch them together with verses on baptism in order to make the shoe fit but it doesn't fit.
There are a handful of verses that "on the surface" appear to tie baptism with salvation yet a careful examination of each of these texts in context will show that none of them prove that baptism is absolutely required for salvation, though they do prove that baptism was an assumed initiatory response to the gospel of salvation. In other words, these texts only prove that baptism is associated with salvation, rather than absolutely required for salvation.
I already thoroughly explained why but the truth just continues to go right over your head and there is a reason for that.
I already gave you numerous examples but you don't seem to understand what believers actually mean by salvation through faith (rightly understood) in Jesus Christ alone. (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) Prior to my conversion, I did not understand either.
Folks who teach salvation by faith + works often confuse faith that trusts in Jesus Christ "alone" for salvation (Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9) with an empty profession of faith/dead faith that remains "alone" (barren of works - James 2:14-24). These are two separate alone's in connection with two different things.
“And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.”
1 John 3:22-23 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.3.23.KJV
Belief is commanded. Belief is obedience.
1 John 3:22-23 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/1jn.3.23.KJV
Belief is commanded. Belief is obedience.
The scripture does not say what you say it says. As verse 41 reveals, it was after obeying Peter's instructions that the 3000 were added to the church; not beforehand.
38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38, 41
38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls." Acts 2:38, 41
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Belief is commanded. Agreed.
Belief is obedience. Agreed.
Matthew 7:24-27
“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
Obedience is commanded. Agreed?
Belief is obedience. Agreed.
Matthew 7:24-27
“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”
Obedience is commanded. Agreed?
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None is excluded from the need to be water baptized in the name of Jesus. All detailed conversion accounts reveal what is required in order to receive the NT rebirth. Every single account includes belief in Jesus, repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin, and receiving the Holy Ghost. According to Jesus only those who have experienced the NT rebirth through water and Spirit will gain entrance into the kingdom of God. (John 3:3-5)
Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish) The group did not receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believed in Jesus. However, they were told they could expect the Holy Ghost at some point.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile - Why did they hear the gospel before the Gentiles? Their Jewish heritage took precedence)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:2-6 (12 Ephesians who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? (Paul's question reveals those who believe do not automatically receive the Holy Ghost) And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Acts 2:38-39 (Jewish) The group did not receive the Holy Ghost the moment they believed in Jesus. However, they were told they could expect the Holy Ghost at some point.
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Acts 8:12-17 (Samaritans-half Jewish-half Gentile - Why did they hear the gospel before the Gentiles? Their Jewish heritage took precedence)
But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
Acts 10:43-48 (Gentiles)
43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.
Acts 19:2-6 (12 Ephesians who did not realize they had to water baptized in Jesus name)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? (Paul's question reveals those who believe do not automatically receive the Holy Ghost) And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
Acts 22:14-16 (Paul's water baptism)
And he said, The God of our fathers hath chosen thee, that thou shouldest know his will, and see that Just One, and shouldest hear the voice of his mouth.
For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
No one the attempting to "negate" hearing.
The verses are true and show miracles being used to foster/produce faith.
Here is another one:
John 10:38
but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”
The "works" are miracles.
Jesus using miracles to foster faith in Him.
The verses are true and show miracles being used to foster/produce faith.
Here is another one:
John 10:38
but if I do, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, that you may know and believe that the Father is in Me, and I in Him.”
The "works" are miracles.
Jesus using miracles to foster faith in Him.
Sins were paid for at the cross. Jesus' sacrifice paid the penalty for all mankind. However, personally taking hold of what He died to provide requires believing and submitting to water baptism in His name. Jesus prophesied concerning this truth. None can enter the kingdom of God unless their personal sin has been dealt with through water baptism and they have received the indwelling presence of the Holy Ghost/Spirit. Both of which were made possible through Jesus' sacrifice.
"... Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Luke 24:47
Note the parallel of the gospel message first preached:
"...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38
"... Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem." Luke 24:47
Note the parallel of the gospel message first preached:
"...Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38
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You refuse to accept what is staring you in the face. It is specifically stated those that gladly received his word were baptized and added. They received the NT rebirth because they believed and obeyed God's established plan of salvation.
Keep in mind Jesus said those who reject Him AND His words will be judged by the word. And the word reveals both belief in Him and His salvation plan that includes repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin and receiving the Holy Ghost is not optional.
People can slice and dice it all they want but that does not change what the word of God reveals, and that is, the NT rebirth is necessary for all. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
Keep in mind Jesus said those who reject Him AND His words will be judged by the word. And the word reveals both belief in Him and His salvation plan that includes repentance, water baptism in the name of Jesus for remission of sin and receiving the Holy Ghost is not optional.
People can slice and dice it all they want but that does not change what the word of God reveals, and that is, the NT rebirth is necessary for all. (Acts 2:4-41, 8:12-18, 9:17-18, 10:43-48, 19:1-7, 22:16)
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