It's valid. It just doesn't mean as you suppose. I've already explained this. The verses are not speaking about salvation. As part of teaching the disciples to pray, Jesus teaches them to pray asking forgiveness of God and doing so according to the way they forgive others. So what is His point?
In forgiving others, we allow for reconciliation and fellowship with the one who has offended. In like manner, God does so for us. But when we expect forgiveness for ourselves but do not do so for others, God recognizes our insincerity. How can we say we love God and yet are not loving others. Love covers a multitude of sin and keeps no record of wrongs. It suffers long. God is not mocked. We reap what we sow. If we desire reconciliation and fellowship with God, we should also want this with our brothers and sisters.
But none of this affects our relationship with God. When my children disobey, aren't they still my children? In my discipline of them they don't get to enjoy the fulness of the blessing of our relationship, but they never lose the security of the relationship. By birth, they are my children. That fact will never change. In our spiritual birth, we become in time and space the children of God. This will always be true of us. We may not always be able to receive the fulness of the blessing that attends our relationship with the Father, but we will forever have Him as Father.
In forgiving others, we allow for reconciliation and fellowship with the one who has offended. In like manner, God does so for us. But when we expect forgiveness for ourselves but do not do so for others, God recognizes our insincerity. How can we say we love God and yet are not loving others. Love covers a multitude of sin and keeps no record of wrongs. It suffers long. God is not mocked. We reap what we sow. If we desire reconciliation and fellowship with God, we should also want this with our brothers and sisters.
But none of this affects our relationship with God. When my children disobey, aren't they still my children? In my discipline of them they don't get to enjoy the fulness of the blessing of our relationship, but they never lose the security of the relationship. By birth, they are my children. That fact will never change. In our spiritual birth, we become in time and space the children of God. This will always be true of us. We may not always be able to receive the fulness of the blessing that attends our relationship with the Father, but we will forever have Him as Father.
We really are going in a circle maybe we’ll find a different thread where we don’t go in a constant circle
Either way I love you brother In christ yoire a great guy and have a good spirit always thought so still think so