Evolution

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Dino246

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worshiping evolution?
I don't debate idiots like you who attempt to poison the well before it's even started.
Anyway it's not my purpose to make anyone accept evolution, just to stop cult driven charlatans from hijacking christianity.
You are welcome to hold any opinions about others that you like. However, calling people “idiots” is not necessary.
 
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You are welcome to hold any opinions about others that you like. However, calling people “idiots” is not necessary.
Thanks for the approval. No, it is never absolutely necessary to tell the truth but it is usually the best thing to do.
 

Moses_Young

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Thanks for the approval. No, it is never absolutely necessary to tell the truth but it is usually the best thing to do.
If you worship evolutionism, why are there no useless body parts? On people, I mean.
 
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Cosmological evolution is part of the whole anti-creation belief system.
I've never even heard of cosmological evolution, I think you've just made that up by putting two scientific terms together to make yourself sound cleverer than you really are.
 

Dino246

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I've never even heard of cosmological evolution, I think you've just made that up by putting two scientific terms together to make yourself sound cleverer than you really are.
I think you don’t know your subject anywhere near well enough to be debating.
 
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I think you don’t know your subject anywhere near well enough to be debating.
I have decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified.
So, please, amaze me with your great learning and understanding.
 
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If mankind evolved from a bunch of ignorant goat herders to colonizing space in just 6000yrs, and that's taking the flood and the tower of Babble into account..., What makes you think that the earth is BILLIONS of years old?

There's no way to go back in time and validate carbon dating, that's why it's just a theory...

Science can describe what God did, but can't define how He did it. That's why scientists have so many theories Lol...
 

Rondonmon

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So, ignoring God's creation of MAN for the moment, are you saying evolution could have taken place before 6000 years ago? Please remember this thread is about evolution which only applies to biological life and has nothing to do with cosmology which is a branch of physics nor does it have anything to do with climate change.
No, anyway you describe it, it still has to be Creation, which means Intelligent Design", the Evolution we know comes with a caveat that it came from some primordial soup by mere chance, which of course is ludicrous. Of course those that claim the Universe is only 6000 years old are just as bad. The Universe was created in 7 YOWMS (time periods) and in the bible the Hebrew Word YOWM is used fir ay, year, month, season etc. etc. you have to take he information and figure out the time period, the Hebrew language only had 4000 words and no vowels, our English currently has a half million words comparatively speaking. What I try to do is get people to think critically.

So, the 2nd ay came after the first and we see the Earth on the 2nd Day so if the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the Universes is 13.7 million years old we have the first day (YOWM.....TIME PERIOD fill in the blank) as being 9.2 billion years in length. And so on and so on. I see the 5th day as being about 300 million years from like 700 million years BC and the 6th day as being 350-400 million years with the Dinos being wiped out 70 million years go by the Yucatan Impact, and then God creating man as in imparting His spirit into a person made from the dirt of the earth, 6000 or so years ago. As per scientists, I don't trust them fully for a few reasons.

1.) We see they will bend the Science for money from DC Politicians.

2.) We always see their "Theories being changed" and you can't call a theory that is later changed Science, because real science is just the journey from the Unknown unto the Known and you can't get there with a wrong answer, unless you change the answer. I will illustrate a problem with so called science. In the 1800s the mocked Christians who stated the Universe had a definite beginning, they stated almost to a man that the Universe was Eternal. Then in the 1950s two scientists heard a PING coming from the Big Bang, and they proved the universe had a definite beginning. So, those same "TYPES" now just shifted their thinking, and they created a really dumb hypothesis that man just appeared from a primordial soup bowl, LOL, per chance, which is really impossibly if you d the math. Its like 23 trillion to one. So, these same supposed intellectual types come up with bull crap Multi Verse theories that can never be tested to say, BUT............No buts, you don't propose stupid illogical theories that cant be tested to make up excuses for your inability to escape a preposterous position via its improbabilities by extrapolating there could be billions of universes, that just goofy.

And, as log as Scientists are involved in Cosmology and Climate Change lies, then its relevant as pertaining unto whether they have become overtly politicized by the left, as everything else has been corrupted by them, so it most definitely fits he criteria of are the trustworthy. I don't trust them one iota as pertaining to what we are told, Fauci is a liar right now, that stuff is mostly propaganda. If they knew an Asteroid would hit us in 2029, do you think they would say so or lie? I put my money on lying.

So, however God decided to Create the life on earth, it is still CREATION by an Intelligent Designer. And that 6th Day stopped when God paced Hos imparted Spirit into man, and God rested from His creation process.
 
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No, anyway you describe it, it still has to be Creation, which means Intelligent Design", the Evolution we know comes with a caveat that it came from some primordial soup by mere chance, which of course is ludicrous. Of course those that claim the Universe is only 6000 years old are just as bad. The Universe was created in 7 YOWMS (time periods) and in the bible the Hebrew Word YOWM is used fir ay, year, month, season etc. etc. you have to take he information and figure out the time period, the Hebrew language only had 4000 words and no vowels, our English currently has a half million words comparatively speaking. What I try to do is get people to think critically.

So, the 2nd ay came after the first and we see the Earth on the 2nd Day so if the earth is 4.5 billion years old and the Universes is 13.7 million years old we have the first day (YOWM.....TIME PERIOD fill in the blank) as being 9.2 billion years in length. And so on and so on. I see the 5th day as being about 300 million years from like 700 million years BC and the 6th day as being 350-400 million years with the Dinos being wiped out 70 million years go by the Yucatan Impact, and then God creating man as in imparting His spirit into a person made from the dirt of the earth, 6000 or so years ago. As per scientists, I don't trust them fully for a few reasons.

1.) We see they will bend the Science for money from DC Politicians.

2.) We always see their "Theories being changed" and you can't call a theory that is later changed Science, because real science is just the journey from the Unknown unto the Known and you can't get there with a wrong answer, unless you change the answer. I will illustrate a problem with so called science. In the 1800s the mocked Christians who stated the Universe had a definite beginning, they stated almost to a man that the Universe was Eternal. Then in the 1950s two scientists heard a PING coming from the Big Bang, and they proved the universe had a definite beginning. So, those same "TYPES" now just shifted their thinking, and they created a really dumb hypothesis that man just appeared from a primordial soup bowl, LOL, per chance, which is really impossibly if you d the math. Its like 23 trillion to one. So, these same supposed intellectual types come up with bull crap Multi Verse theories that can never be tested to say, BUT............No buts, you don't propose stupid illogical theories that cant be tested to make up excuses for your inability to escape a preposterous position via its improbabilities by extrapolating there could be billions of universes, that just goofy.

And, as log as Scientists are involved in Cosmology and Climate Change lies, then its relevant as pertaining unto whether they have become overtly politicized by the left, as everything else has been corrupted by them, so it most definitely fits he criteria of are the trustworthy. I don't trust them one iota as pertaining to what we are told, Fauci is a liar right now, that stuff is mostly propaganda. If they knew an Asteroid would hit us in 2029, do you think they would say so or lie? I put my money on lying.

So, however God decided to Create the life on earth, it is still CREATION by an Intelligent Designer. And that 6th Day stopped when God paced Hos imparted Spirit into man, and God rested from His creation process.
We are very much on the same page, perhaps more than you think!
I'm with you as far as Adam, the first man being created 6000 years ago.
But Adam was not the first human. After the fall of Adam and Eve, Eve became the mother all living (humans) so the fall was required by God and was an essential part of His plan to make man in His image.
The creation week is still on-going, 1 day being 1000 years to God.
Jesus said God has not rested (John 5:17) so the Sabbath is yet to come and will be the millennial reign after the second coming.
We can all share in that rest with Him if we follow Jesus now.
 
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That's actually an interesting thought... but,

Genesis 1-
27So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day........

It's more likely that WE are still in our infancy... despite our ingenuity and intellect.
 
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That's actually an interesting thought... but,

Genesis 1-
27So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it, and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” 29And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. 30And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life, I have given every green plant for food.” And it was so. 31And God saw everything that he had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day........

It's more likely that WE are still in our infancy... despite our ingenuity and intellect.
Look again at Genesis 1:26 - 27 in a modern translation.
26 is God stating His intent to make man(kind) in His image.
27 is in a poetic form and I think that is a prophesy of what will be. No matter how I look at it I can't see how we can be in the image of God yet. We have the power or right the be Sons of God if we follow Jesus.
This is why I think John 5:17 is such an amazing verse.
Adam was later made in His image to effect that process.
 
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You really shouldn't take scripture that far out of context... How the pharisees defined "work" on the sabbath day, and how God created man, are entirely unrelated subjects.
 
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Make no mistake, John 5:17 binds the bible together from Genesis to Revelation.
It is the most amazing and astounding of all the sayings of Jesus.
What am I taking out of context?
 
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John 5-18This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
 
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John 5-18This was why the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.
For heaven's sake don't make the same mistake as the Pharisees, read, pray and meditate on John chapter 5v1-17.
 

Moses_Young

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If you worship creationism, why have we got blind spots on our retinas?
I worship the Creator, not Creationism. As evolution requires no creator, I figured you worshipped Evolutionism. Although I guess the theory did have a creator, and plenty of high priests - Dawkins, Darwin and the like.

Anyway, when you invent a better eye, then you'll be in a position to critique God. Until then, I'd suggest you don't conflate the evidence of design with the ignorant opinion that you (or someone else) can design better than God.
 
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A simple thought experiment for those who believe the Earth is of the order of 5,000 years old and who do not believe in evolution:

If the story of Adam and Eve is literally true, then when only Adam and Eve existed there could have been a maximum of 4 different human eye colours.
This would be the case if the 4 human eyes (Adam had two, Eve had two) were all different colours.
However, there are now more than 25 human eye colours.

Many people who do not believe in evolution hold this position because they reason that a living thing could not possibly have some feature that its ancestors did not have - e.g. how could a sea creature evolve into a bird over millions of years...
If you take this position, how do you explain the development of human eye colours, as described above?
God is a lover of variety, and thus created Adam and Eve with all the Genotype information necessary to produce all the Phenotype varieties out there. It's why white people carry within each cell all the information necessary to produce dark skinned children with afro-style hair, and black people carry everything necessary to produce blonde haired, blue-eyed children.
 

Moses_Young

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Just came across this thread, so I'm late to the party. The answer is that God is a lover of variety, and thus created Adam and Eve with all the genetic information to produce whatever color spectrum of eyes He wanted. It's why white people carry within each cell all the information necessary to produce dark skinned children with afro-style hair, and black people carry everything necessary to produce blonde haired, blue-eyed children.
Exactly. But belief in evolutionism isn't about a search for truth. These people are what we call willfully ignorant. It's not that they don't know the truth - it's that they hate it.
 
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Exactly. But belief in evolutionism isn't about a search for truth. These people are what we call willfully ignorant. It's not that they don't know the truth - it's that they hate it.
Peter predicted in the last days that people would deny the Creation, the Flood, and the Second Coming of Jesus.

The reason is since people don't want to be subject to a future Judgment of God, they must deny that any previous Judgment of God took place -- the Flood -- and by this permit themselves to deny the existence of God -- our Creator -- altogether, and replace everything with naturalistic evolution. If you aren't a Creationist after having been shown the truth, you aren't a Christian.