Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?
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Ephesians 3:17
New International Version
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,
New Living Translation
Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God’s love and keep you strong.
English Standard Version
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
Berean Standard Bible
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love,
Berean Literal Bible
for Christ to dwell in your hearts through faith, being rooted and being founded in love,
King James Bible
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
New International Version
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love,
New Living Translation
Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God’s love and keep you strong.
English Standard Version
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith—that you, being rooted and grounded in love,
Berean Standard Bible
so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. Then you, being rooted and grounded in love,
Berean Literal Bible
for Christ to dwell in your hearts through faith, being rooted and being founded in love,
King James Bible
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Having read Ephesians 3:17, I think the average reader would conclude that through faith, the person of Christ would be dwelling in their heart. Having understood this and believing this in faith, it would mean that they are accepting Christ into their heart welcomingly. Wouldn't that be an invitation to Christ? What do you think this verse means?
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Isaiah 64:6
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
When you carefully examine how Christ describes the people in this church, it is clear that they are merely professing Christians (and there are many churches today which would correspond). They do not have Christ within. Here is what we read: Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art [1] wretched, and [2] miserable, and [3] poor, and [4] blind, and [5] naked:
This describes an unregenerate person. Genuine believers are not naked, since they are clothed with the righteousness of Christ. They are not blind because they have the indwelling Holy Spirit. They are not poor because they have the riches of Christ. They are not miserable because they have the joy of the Lord. They are not wretched because they know that they have been saved from Hell.
This describes an unregenerate person. Genuine believers are not naked, since they are clothed with the righteousness of Christ. They are not blind because they have the indwelling Holy Spirit. They are not poor because they have the riches of Christ. They are not miserable because they have the joy of the Lord. They are not wretched because they know that they have been saved from Hell.
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Man is created to have the conscience to choose good and live by being told the truth , from the first man ever born of good and evil
"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
...but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?
and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
And unto thee shall be his desire,
and thou shalt rule over him.
Genesis 4:1, 5-7 KJV
Did Cain have a choice to do good and be accepted ? Or do evil and be overcome by sin ?
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Genesis 4:8 KJV
Did God force Cains hand ? Or did Cain reject what God said to him and choose death?
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
When you hear the gospel you are being offered what he says you have a choice
"And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
...but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted?
and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door.
And unto thee shall be his desire,
and thou shalt rule over him.
Genesis 4:1, 5-7 KJV
Did Cain have a choice to do good and be accepted ? Or do evil and be overcome by sin ?
And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.
Genesis 4:8 KJV
Did God force Cains hand ? Or did Cain reject what God said to him and choose death?
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Deuteronomy 30:19 KJV
When you hear the gospel you are being offered what he says you have a choice
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Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days. Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
Acts 3:24-26 KJV
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Why stop at one verse why not let in to ponder ?
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved
. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. ....praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Acts 2:21, 36-41, 47 KJV
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved
. Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. ....praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Acts 2:21, 36-41, 47 KJV
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Only because he says it does it matter ?
I meant that according to the principle of faith , like this I mean
And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven,
that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven;
and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
If God says anything it's true and will work out what I meant by that is " all that matters to faith is that Jesus said it, it's always going to be true if he said it
I meant that according to the principle of faith , like this I mean
And the LORD said unto Moses, Stretch out thine hand toward heaven,
that there may be darkness over the land of Egypt, even darkness which may be felt.
And Moses stretched forth his hand toward heaven;
and there was a thick darkness in all the land of Egypt three days:
Exodus 10:21-22 KJV
If God says anything it's true and will work out what I meant by that is " all that matters to faith is that Jesus said it, it's always going to be true if he said it
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If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Luke 11:13 KJV
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Galatians 4:6 KJV
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
Luke 11:13 KJV
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Galatians 4:6 KJV
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
2 Corinthians 3:17 KJV
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Very nice Pilgrimshope The only point I was looking to make is that some believe God chooses who will be saved and who will not be saved, if God has to choose, then he does not know at the start (Psalm 139:13-16), but he does! He chooses for all to be saved but he has also given free will to us, to make that choice.
Example I have been chosen to play for a professional baseball team, does that mean I have to play for them?? NO, of course not, I can pass on it, and choose another team, or simply not play at all. Whether or not I have chosen poorly or wisely depends upon us, but the Good Lord would have us choose wisely.
Example I have been chosen to play for a professional baseball team, does that mean I have to play for them?? NO, of course not, I can pass on it, and choose another team, or simply not play at all. Whether or not I have chosen poorly or wisely depends upon us, but the Good Lord would have us choose wisely.
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