Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?
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The "salvation" is not referencing eternal deliverance, but a deliverance from ungodliness and worldly lusts, that his born again children can receive as they sojourn here in this present world
The "all men" and "the us" are the house of Israel, which Paul is a part of the remnant of the house of Israel
I am thinking that you do not fully understand 1 Cor 2:14, with your attempts to give the natural man the ability to understand the things of the Spirit.
You also, are not considering that saved means delivered, according to the Greek. Rom 10 is informing us how the born again child of God can be delivered, as he sojourns here in this world, by following God's commandments.
Romans Chapter 10 begins with Paul's prayer that Israel (God's people) might be delivered from their ignorance, because they have a "zeal" of God, but not according to knowledge, and are depending upon their works of the law to deliver them eternally.
My observation, that most of those on this forum are of the house of Israel that have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge and are going about trying to establish their own righteousness.
Forest, I’ve been disrespectful to you in the past and I apologize. You seem to be very patient with people and I admire that, but your views make me want to scream in frustration.
I say respectfully that you’re dead wrong in what you believe. Your theological views are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. I want to believe you’re sincere but I question what spirit is leading you. And for the record, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and having faith in Him is not a work.
I say respectfully that you’re dead wrong in what you believe. Your theological views are not inspired by the Holy Spirit. I want to believe you’re sincere but I question what spirit is leading you. And for the record, we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, and having faith in Him is not a work.
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I fully understand 1 Cor 2:14.
1 Corinthians 2:14
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
There is a difference between understanding the meat of the Word and understanding that we are accountable to God.
Romans 1:20
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”
Men are to repent and call upon the name of the Lord. It is then that they, like Saul/Paul, will receive further guidance.
1 Corinthians 2:14
“But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
There is a difference between understanding the meat of the Word and understanding that we are accountable to God.
Romans 1:20
“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:”
Men are to repent and call upon the name of the Lord. It is then that they, like Saul/Paul, will receive further guidance.
a lot of people do talk from thier flesh but mankind has a spirit and flesh
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
Genesis 6:5-6 KJV
there’s a spiritual center of a man where our thoughts form our desires fester our imagination seeks it’s where Jesus needs to be Lord within us
Like a physical heart is centered within the flesh and life flows through the body by the strength of a heart faith is the same in the spiritual heart
This is mans issue
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21
sand this is mans solution for that issue
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
He works in our spiritual heart of faith by hearing his word to accomplish the change in us in our hearts where good and evil comes from
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:13 KJV
by cleansing and healing our hearts corruption through the herring of faith it causes good to come out of the heart instead of evil
“that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:22-24 KJV
A good heart before God is the key to salvation
“Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit
. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”
Matthew 7:17-18 KJV
If we don’t imagine and dwell
On evil and let it root in our mind and heart it doesn’t pull at us and grab hold of the reins in our life
“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.”
Genesis 6:5-6 KJV
there’s a spiritual center of a man where our thoughts form our desires fester our imagination seeks it’s where Jesus needs to be Lord within us
Like a physical heart is centered within the flesh and life flows through the body by the strength of a heart faith is the same in the spiritual heart
This is mans issue
“For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders, thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness: all these evil things come from within, and defile the man.”
Mark 7:21
sand this is mans solution for that issue
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.”
Hebrews 4:12 KJV
He works in our spiritual heart of faith by hearing his word to accomplish the change in us in our hearts where good and evil comes from
“For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.”
Philippians 2:13 KJV
by cleansing and healing our hearts corruption through the herring of faith it causes good to come out of the heart instead of evil
“that ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.”
Ephesians 4:22-24 KJV
A good heart before God is the key to salvation
“Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit
. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.”
Matthew 7:17-18 KJV
If we don’t imagine and dwell
On evil and let it root in our mind and heart it doesn’t pull at us and grab hold of the reins in our life
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I attempt to try to explain every scripture that you send my way, unlike some on this forum. Col 1:27, says that Christ is in us, the hope of glory. Jesus as a three in one God, also dwells within us, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
You have yet, to give me a scripture that states that we have to invite Jesus into our hearts to be delivered eternally.
You have yet, to give me a scripture that states that we have to invite Jesus into our hearts to be delivered eternally.
The natural man does not have spiritual faith. His faith is in himself and what mankind can accomplish here in this world
The regenerated person has spiritual faith, which is a fruit of the Holy Spirit that dwells within him.
As I have shown you before, our spiritual faith is a product of being born again, and not the cause of being born again.