Blasphemy against holyspirit
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Salvation is for all each day, even for those who have heard the message before. Tomorrow is not promised to anyone. Today is the day of Salvation. Jesus made it clear in the Parable of the Sower that the devil does take the word from them so they don't believe. Yet the word Finds the good ground. Matthew 13:3-9, Mark 4:2-9, and Luke 8:4-8,
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They did accept the Spirit, which is why they share in that aspect of salvation.
The Parable of the Prodigal Son is TOJ #114:
God forgives those who repent. [LK 15:11-32] In the Parable of the Lost Son, notice that every sin was forgiven (1JN 1:9).
Surely we will leave jealousy and other sinful attitudes behind when we graduate to heaven.
The Parable of the Prodigal Son is TOJ #114:
God forgives those who repent. [LK 15:11-32] In the Parable of the Lost Son, notice that every sin was forgiven (1JN 1:9).
Surely we will leave jealousy and other sinful attitudes behind when we graduate to heaven.
I don't. The Bible tells people struggling with faith to stand firm, persevere, hang in there (well, not in those words :^):
Scriptures that teach the possibility of apostasy include the following:
MT 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
RM 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
1CR 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”
GL 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
CL 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”
2THS 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”
2TM 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”
HB 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”
HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”
HB 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”
JM 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
2PT 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
2PT 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”
1JN 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”
JUDE 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”
RV 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
Scriptures that teach the possibility of apostasy include the following:
MT 10:22, “All men will hate you because of me, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved.”
RM 11:22, “Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off.”
1CR 15:2, “By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.”
GL 5:4, “You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.”
CL 1:22-23, “But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—if you continue in your faith, established and firm, not moved from the hope held out in the gospel.”
2THS 1:4-5, “Therefore, among God’s churches we boast about your perseverance and faith in all the persecutions and trials you are enduring. All this is evidence that God’s judgment is right, and as a result you will be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are suffering.”
2TM 2:12, “If we endure, we will also reign with him. If we disown him, he will also disown us;”
HB 3:6&14, “But Christ is faithful as a son over God’s house. And we are his house, if we hold on to our courage and the hope of which we boast… We have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first.”
HB 6:4-6, “It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.”
HB 10:26-36, “If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God… So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded. You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised.”
JM 1:12, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”
2PT 1:10-11, “Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.”
2PT 2:20, “If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning.”
1JN 2:24-25, “See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. And this is what he promised us—even eternal life.”
JUDE 21, “Keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.”
RV 2:10, “Do not be afraid of what you are about to suffer. I tell you, the devil will put some of you in prison to test you, and you will suffer persecution for ten days. Be faithful, even to the point of death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
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1. I personally do not believe it is possible for a Christian (in the true sense of the word, one in Christ) to blaspheme the Holy Spirit.
When you speak of a Christian "in the TRUE sense of the word" it is difficult if not impossible to know exactly who you are talking about since ALL CONTRARY cases are excluded by definition from your category of those who are Christians in the true sense of the word.
2. This is just another variation of the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY
3. Okay you do not hold to my opinion in this but that does not constitute scriptural proof
4. The Spirit Himself prevents such a thing from happening If God can simply stop us from sinning why does He not do so? Isn't it His will for us not to sin?
5. ...as he/she has already been forgiven and (positionally) is no longer under condemnation
As I read Romans 8 those who are abiding in Christ are not in sin rather:
6. God forgives us as we walk habitually in the light admitting our sin to Him:
6If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
7. You also claim that "the Spirit Himself prevents such a thing from happening as he/she has already been forgiven and (positionally) is no longer under condemnation. The Bible in 1 John 2:7-9 speaks of the ongoing nature of forgiveness and cleansing.The words confess, and cleanse are present tense indicating ongoing action not a once for all action. AS we confess our sins He continues to forgive and cleanse us
8. I do not know what you mean by "positionally" Are you referring to some legal fiction? I thought when God forgives us we are truly forgiven
When you speak of a Christian "in the TRUE sense of the word" it is difficult if not impossible to know exactly who you are talking about since ALL CONTRARY cases are excluded by definition from your category of those who are Christians in the true sense of the word.
2. This is just another variation of the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN FALLACY
3. Okay you do not hold to my opinion in this but that does not constitute scriptural proof
4. The Spirit Himself prevents such a thing from happening If God can simply stop us from sinning why does He not do so? Isn't it His will for us not to sin?
5. ...as he/she has already been forgiven and (positionally) is no longer under condemnation
As I read Romans 8 those who are abiding in Christ are not in sin rather:
6. God forgives us as we walk habitually in the light admitting our sin to Him:
6If we say we have fellowship with Him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
7. You also claim that "the Spirit Himself prevents such a thing from happening as he/she has already been forgiven and (positionally) is no longer under condemnation. The Bible in 1 John 2:7-9 speaks of the ongoing nature of forgiveness and cleansing.The words confess, and cleanse are present tense indicating ongoing action not a once for all action. AS we confess our sins He continues to forgive and cleanse us
8. I do not know what you mean by "positionally" Are you referring to some legal fiction? I thought when God forgives us we are truly forgiven
Because blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not "simply sinning". If you had read all my posts in this thread, I explained that someone who does that sort of blasphemy cannot recognise their evil as having need to confess or repent. They see their evil as good. They would never be saved in the first place.
There is more than one type of blasphemy.
Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
There is more than one type of blasphemy.
Matthew 12:31
“Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
If the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, and the Holy Spirit is revealing to me that something is true, but I am publicly declaring the opposite of what the Holy Spirit is convicting me is true, and I am publicly denying the truth the Holy Spirit is revealing to me, how am I not speaking against the Holy Spirit and blaspheming Him by making Him a liar? Fortunately for us all, the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is forgivable, but we can't be forgiven for it while we are knowingly persisting in doing it.