Blasphemy against holyspirit
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History shows that the popular preachers that we have today will be known of tomorrow by their writings. They are mostly apostates.
The Bible believers rarely get status as the world's renown to be in Barnes and Nobles author club or NY Times best sellers list.
Looking back to the so called "church fathers" is mostly a source of the apostate popular Catholic councils, and published authors that remains.
One Big exception to that is the Author of this quote.
John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John Calvin and his TULIP theology didn't invent the promise of everlasting life.
I'm not the one overlooking anything. Please try addressing the issues I am raising.
The sin is described in Matthew 12. Does that look like the sin described in Hebrew 6? Do the people committing the sin look the same? Would Jesus have called the Hebrew 6 people who have tasted God's goodness viper offspring and evil? If they are indeed this type of people, why would they have ever come to Christ in the first place and why would God have saved them? Does He not know what they really are?
There is plenty of information in the Matthew 12 passage for us to identify what the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit looks like. Why can't we deal with that passage first and get a good look at what this sin is like and the type of people who commit it? When that is established we can then compare others passages to see if they are saying the same thing.
The sin is described in Matthew 12. Does that look like the sin described in Hebrew 6? Do the people committing the sin look the same? Would Jesus have called the Hebrew 6 people who have tasted God's goodness viper offspring and evil? If they are indeed this type of people, why would they have ever come to Christ in the first place and why would God have saved them? Does He not know what they really are?
There is plenty of information in the Matthew 12 passage for us to identify what the sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit looks like. Why can't we deal with that passage first and get a good look at what this sin is like and the type of people who commit it? When that is established we can then compare others passages to see if they are saying the same thing.
Okay, since you don't agree with my math, we will do as you wish:
The Pharisees in MT 12, who accused Jesus of healing by Beelzebul, blasphemed against the HS by whom Jesus healed.
The believer described in HB 6 blasphemed the HS by spurning Him.
Two different ways of blaspheming the HS.
The Pharisees in MT 12, who accused Jesus of healing by Beelzebul, blasphemed against the HS by whom Jesus healed.
The believer described in HB 6 blasphemed the HS by spurning Him.
Two different ways of blaspheming the HS.
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Mate, I don't need your patronizing attitude, This has nothing to do with maths or what I wish. I am simply trying to have a reasonable discussion with you. Please try to deal with the actual questions I'm asking and stop worrying about whatever it is you think I'm doing wrong.
Hebrews 6:6
if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Where does it say they spurned the Holy Spirit? Their "argument" was with the crucifixion resulting in shaming Christ. These people were obviously believers. How can you compare them to the Pharisees?
You are the one calling it blasphemy of the Holy Spirit but you have yet to prove it. In order for this to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit they would have to attribute the crucifixion to the work of the devil. Is that what they did?
Hebrews 6:6
if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.
Where does it say they spurned the Holy Spirit? Their "argument" was with the crucifixion resulting in shaming Christ. These people were obviously believers. How can you compare them to the Pharisees?
You are the one calling it blasphemy of the Holy Spirit but you have yet to prove it. In order for this to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit they would have to attribute the crucifixion to the work of the devil. Is that what they did?
Saying X will not happen to someone who is doing Y, does not mean that it can never happen to X, if they ever did Y.
Whoever is swearing at the umpire over a call, will never have the umpire's sympathy., in this tournament or the next.
Does this mean that if a player swears once at the umpire, he will not get a sympathetic hearing from that umpire ever again? What are the limits of this sanction? What must the swearing player do to be able to again get the umpires sympathy?
Whoever is swearing at the umpire over a call, will never have the umpire's sympathy., in this tournament or the next.
Does this mean that if a player swears once at the umpire, he will not get a sympathetic hearing from that umpire ever again? What are the limits of this sanction? What must the swearing player do to be able to again get the umpires sympathy?
In the part you omitted:
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
And don't project your attitude onto me. We DO disagree regarding the math; I see two different ways of committing the one unforgivable sin of blaspheming the HS: one by unbelievers plus one by believers.
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
And don't project your attitude onto me. We DO disagree regarding the math; I see two different ways of committing the one unforgivable sin of blaspheming the HS: one by unbelievers plus one by believers.
Jesus is the propitiation for our sins and not ours only, but for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. Jesus paid for every sin past present and future of the whole world apart from one. The only sin that now needs repentance is the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It is only the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit that is behind every other sin, that brings condemnation since the propitiation offered at Calvary. And blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is forgivable for those who repent of it.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. When He convicts us of some truth ("You are in the wrong to be unforgiving." "You are in the wrong to be stealing that." etc) and we deny that truth, we are calling Him a liar, in other words we are blaspheming against Him, we are speaking words against Him. Outside the kingdom are all liars. Rev. 21:8.
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. When He convicts us of some truth ("You are in the wrong to be unforgiving." "You are in the wrong to be stealing that." etc) and we deny that truth, we are calling Him a liar, in other words we are blaspheming against Him, we are speaking words against Him. Outside the kingdom are all liars. Rev. 21:8.
