Applying God's Word to Politics

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studier

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I am asking the first question.

I agree with the second responder--and with your views rather than those of the first responder.

I notice that the third responder seemed to be addressing the issue I just posed in #770, if he was semi-serious.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Anti-Trump rhetoric.
 
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Applying God's words to politics?

Simple: the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

This means by end of Trumps reign, expect him and his wealthy minions to be even more richer and powerful than they already are.

And the reverse for the not rich.
 
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Applying God's words to politics?

Simple: the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

This means by end of Trumps reign, expect him and his wealthy minions to be even more richer and powerful than they already are.

And the reverse for the not rich.
That is certainly what happened during the Biden reign, but during Trump's first term everyone got richer until Fauci's folly struck.
 
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We can round up everyone who has come here seeking a better life, those hoping to start over in a Christian nation, and put them in detention camps. Then ship them all back where they came from. That would be a good start wouldn't it.
Were it not a cynical effort to import Dem voters, open borders could be viewed as loving toward the poor of the world, but is that true?

Please explain any yes or no answer with your Bible-based God-given reasoning.
 
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Applying Christian beliefs to politics has been problematic ever since Peter told the Sanhedrin "We must obey God rather than men!" (Acts 5:29)

How should we do this in the current political situation to issues such as national borders, abortion, globalism and lawfare?
Truly, wished I had seen the creation of this behemoth thread the day it went up :) For surely, it has been raised a number of times concerning pos/neg side of borders and GW?

'', , I was a stranger, and you took Me in.'' (Mt 25:35)

''He made, , the boundaries of their habitation'' (Acts 17:26)

While it would be foolish to think God would leave those boundaries to be reduced to an honorable mention, the interior of all borders will still reap what they sow as a nation from the very founding of that interior,

The Sower

''You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life and above all—the religion of Jesus Christ.''
- George Washington to the Native American, Delaware Nation in 1779

The End-Run of the Blessing

''It is true that the last state church was disestablished in 1832, but many states retained religious tests for public office, had laws aimed at restricting vice, required prayer in schools, and so forth. Because the federal government was not to be concerned with these issues, they were not addressed in the Constitution. The First Amendment merely reinforced this understanding with respect to the faith—i.e., Congress has no power to establish a national church or restrict the free exercise of religion.''
- The Heritage Foundation, Did America Have a Christian Founding?

God's Stewards of a Blessed Interior

While the founders themselves also walked among a crooked and perverted generation (Phlp 2:15), the Lord didn't forget He had begun a work which I commit to that same ancient mystery,

So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. Now it is required of [other]stewards that they be found faithful. [As the Apostle follows Christ] I care very little, however, if I am judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me. (1Cor 4:1-4)

We either continue in thanksgiving or wither on the vine '', , take heed lest he also spare not thee'' (Rom11:21)
 
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I think this entire issue is one of overlapping principles, along with unique circumstances that never faced the biblical writers. With these things being the case, it's simply a matter of necessity to craft a careful theological framework, with some real precision, that is capable of allowing us an assessment, a good measure, of all these issues. Then, after that framework is developed, we're still going to be left with many matters of personal liberty and conscience.

Overall, I think the first step forward here is a big step back, a step back to rethink all the underlying biblical principles, and just camp there, just stay right there, until we have a theological framework capable of dealing with all of these political issues.

I think everyone here has only the best intentions, but the solution to these disagreements won't be found in restating our preferred positions louder and louder.
The solution is to go back to all the underlying principles, and rethink how they overlap, and which ones have natural priority, and if we're viewing them with all the proper semantic distinctions - we just need to make sure sure we have a solid, and broad, biblical perspective.

I don't think any of the Biblical Christians here have any bad intentions.
But a good "rethink" never hurt anybody.

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Kinda like the founding fathers did...
 
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Only according to the law because there are laws that govern rights within a family. God does not treat "family" as an institution.

But the constitution of the US did not come first. The Kingdom of God came first and set the standard for life in the Spirit.

Most are so immersed in their traditions that they cannot perceive the KoG. They are like a fish trying to describe the ocean.

KofG is the future. We are living in the here and now.
 

studier

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Applying God's words to politics?

Simple: the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

This means by end of Trumps reign, expect him and his wealthy minions to be even more richer and powerful than they already are.

And the reverse for the not rich.
It's a simple dynamic of money and returns that the rich will get richer. It's also a fact that some have a gift for making money and some of this can be related to a mindset. Then there's also IMO a problem with unbridled capitalism in the sense that a lot of money is made through manipulations and low quality even harmful products sold via massive marketing budgets driving perceptions they are what they're not. Then....

There are many, many reasons there are rich and there are poor. Politics is only part of it. Trump's a businessman at the helm of a huge business - much, much bigger than the Trump Corp. We are also still in a historical transition from one m.o to another. Most if not all of us have noticed the vast fortunes some have made in recent decades. We're still in the digital revolution where more and more of these fortunes are being and will be made. Part of what Trump is doing is making certain that these fortunes are centered in then US. Of course he's going to make certain the rich and talented have opportunities to expand their visions and businesses and in theory this could make the load easier on the not rich. Also, there are many opportunities to make even small investments in things now that were not so readily available prior to the digital age we're in and expanding. A little early and consistent investment with decent returns can grow quite substantially over time.
 
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Applying God's words to politics?

Simple: the rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer.

This means by end of Trumps reign, expect him and his wealthy minions to be even more richer and powerful than they already are.

And the reverse for the not rich.

No, that's not what happened in his first 4yrs, so no reason to expect it will happen this time round.
 
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Not of or not from? Is the KOG in us or was it among men when He was here? Have we been transferred into it or is that too a questionable translation?

The KOG is a future kingdom. What you're discussing here is the future. Right now we live in a fallen world.
 
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Only according to the law because there are laws that govern rights within a family. God does not treat "family" as an institution.

But the constitution of the US did not come first. The Kingdom of God came first and set the standard for life in the Spirit.

Most are so immersed in their traditions that they cannot perceive the KoG. They are like a fish trying to describe the ocean.
God instituted the family in GN 3:24 (cf. 5:1-2).
Mention of the institution of city is made in GN 4:17 (cf. 11:4).
Mention is made of religious institution in GN 4:26.
The law against murder was instituted in GN 9:6.
Slavery was instituted per GN 9:25.
Nations were instituted in GN 10 (following the dispersion and institution of languages in GN 11:8).
God's covenant with Abram and his nation and indeed all nations was instituted in GN 12:2-3.
 

studier

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The KOG is a future kingdom. What you're discussing here is the future. Right now we live in a fallen world.
Some of the parables of the KOG speak of how it was planted and how it spreads. Much of Scripture when it comes to anything eschatological is written in an already and not yet structure.

There are a lot of translation issues in our English versions still. Just some reasoning can tell us this. Most every time we read "of" in English there is a more precise translation that can be derived in Greek. This is why I asked you questions about of or from.

One of the other Scriptures I asked you about is this:

He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, 14 in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins The New King James Version (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 1982), Col 1:13–14.

So, are we in the KOG now in the already and not yet sense? Since the CHRIST/KING is in us and we in Him, is His Kingdom not also in us, and if the KING and His Kingdom is in us, is not His Kingdom already on earth and according to His parables spreading on earth? When we speak of the Laws of our KING and our God and take a stand against man obeying God not man, what are we doing if not in this era of the Spirit standing for the KING of the earth let alone the Creator of the universe?

The KING of the earth in a sense is here now. Unless Col1:13 is translated incorrectly, we are in His Kingdom now. So, in this sense of truth and reality, His Kingdom is here now already, and not yet.
 
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Those mandates are given to the church not to a particular nation. The KoG is never ruled by the consent of the people.

What you are suggesting sounds like 7 Mountain Mandate stuff whereby people of God take over institutions of the world to change the world and, you know, rewrite the ending of the scriptures. :rolleyes:

Ironically, when religious people take over institutions of the world, or establish institutions of their own, the people suffer, nations are bankrupted, and death follows. Always happens. Always will. Such arrangements support the rule of the AntiChrist NOT the Kingdom of God. We are to be "in the world not of the world", remember?
Re "The KoG is never ruled by the consent of the people.": The KOG is ruled by God, but He forces no one to belong, although those who do not consent to His rule thereby become slaves of Satan. "Out of the frying pan and into the fire", or "The fire that warms also burns."
 
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Truly, wished I had seen the creation of this behemoth thread the day it went up :) For surely, it has been raised a number of times concerning pos/neg side of borders and GW?

'', , I was a stranger, and you took Me in.'' (Mt 25:35)

''He made, , the boundaries of their habitation'' (Acts 17:26)

While it would be foolish to think God would leave those boundaries to be reduced to an honorable mention, the interior of all borders will still reap what they sow as a nation from the very founding of that interior,

The Sower

''You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life and above all—the religion of Jesus Christ.''
- George Washington to the Native American, Delaware Nation in 1779

The End-Run of the Blessing

''It is true that the last state church was disestablished in 1832, but many states retained religious tests for public office, had laws aimed at restricting vice, required prayer in schools, and so forth. Because the federal government was not to be concerned with these issues, they were not addressed in the Constitution. The First Amendment merely reinforced this understanding with respect to the faith—i.e., Congress has no power to establish a national church or restrict the free exercise of religion.''
- The Heritage Foundation, Did America Have a Christian Founding?

God's Stewards of a Blessed Interior

While the founders themselves also walked among a crooked and perverted generation (Phlp 2:15), the Lord didn't forget He had begun a work which I commit to that same ancient mystery,

So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. Now it is required of [other]stewards that they be found faithful. [As the Apostle follows Christ] I care very little, however, if I am judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not vindicate me. It is the Lord who judges me. (1Cor 4:1-4)

We either continue in thanksgiving or wither on the vine '', , take heed lest he also spare not thee'' (Rom11:21)
'', , I was a stranger, and you took Me in.'' (Mt 25:35)

''He made, , the boundaries of their habitation'' (Acts 17:26)

Interesting juxtaposition; pregnant with possible interpretations.
 

Aaron56

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KofG is the future. We are living in the here and now.
That's why you cannot understand. You believe the Kingdom is not here yet.

In truth, it is here now. It is within those in Christ. The KoG is not like a terrestrial kingdom. It is a way of life within the Holy Spirit (“righteousness, peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit”).

So, practically, we have dual citizenship. And only one of nations will exist eternally. The other will succumb to the rule of the Antichrist. In which one should we put our resources and treasure?
 
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'', , I was a stranger, and you took Me in.'' (Mt 25:35)

''He made, , the boundaries of their habitation'' (Acts 17:26)

While it would be foolish to think God would leave those boundaries to be reduced, ,
Interesting juxtaposition; pregnant with possible interpretations.
Thanks, but is that designed to discredit the Phlp 2:2 strong spirit of His words? (v-35,26) Strong also is the possibility of those who receive them are also cognizant of 'much given, much required' / 'mercy given, mercy received' under a lawful edict, even in these last days. God still has a people of same current processing.