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Ok so, it seems that Jesus giving His body and blood seems to be the sticking point here, and I think it a closer look at communion (which I suspect is considered as the proof of the point) might reveal the difference in outlooks? We take communion to remember His death, since Jesus gave his life and that life was taken, or rather He laid it down by submitting to the breaking of his body and the pouring out of His blood. However, we can consider that Jesus had a rock solid case in the highest court against death for taking him and should be awarded eveerything He asks for suffering it, would anyone disagree with that? Indeed, He take His life back after three days, and, additionally, is awarded every soul that believes in Him because the crime against Him is... oh, what's the word?... priceless?...anyway, death can't pay it back even if Jesus is given every soul that ever existed...and, in fact, death has to die now,...and death did not get to keep His body either, it wasn't even allow to decay it!
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Locoponydirtman
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Sarcasm.
As I said, no I didn't.
Kingdom of God and Kingdom of Heaven are one and the same.
As to the rest, no.
Believe what you wish.Context is 3verything.
You think Jesus must be one thing and cannot be the other too.
Jesus was God in 1st Century.
Jesus is more than you think.
That's brazen. Calling scripture heresy.
He was put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit.
By the way, that's not the definition of Docetism.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Do...from Greek dokein,,an apparent or phantom one.
Docetism, (from Greek dokein, “to seem”), Christian heresy and one of the earliest Christian sectarian doctrines, affirming that Christ did not have a real or natural body during his life on earth but only an apparent or phantom one.
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Locoponydirtman
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And He said to them, “Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”
Luke 24:38-39 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/luk.24.38-39.NKJV
You are conflating the meaning of the word "by". By, is the means of not the form of.
As you can see here in Luke Jesus plain says he has flesh and bones.
My mom used to have a saying when one of us was obviously wrong on something yet couldn't accept we wrong.
"The world's wrong, and YOU'RE right!"
PS- She didn't mean it as a factual statement. Just letting us see how hardheaded we were.
So except for the OP, virtually everyone of God's Children here have shown you your error. Yet you refuse to accept it.
Why?
Do you believe the body that Jesus presented to Thomas was corpuscular, as in made up of molecules, flesh the way we are and the way He was before His death and resurrection?
We are counselled by 2 Tim 2:15 to use The Word of God accurately. That alone nullifies taking one verse or word out of context
and building a new teaching on it. Scripture itself rebukes the heresy.
There are several problems with the idea you are presenting.
• It's a serious departure from the faith to deny the nature of God - Father Son & Holy Spirit. The assertion that Jesus has changed
into The Holy Spirit and does not exist in bodily form denies the Father and The Son. It's an antichrist teaching.
• As recorded previously, Jesus appears in bodily form in heaven several times in scripture which cancels the mystical Jesus.
The disembodied, mystical Jesus you are presenting is a false Jesus.
• Without the complete Jesus your faith is useless.
• By denying the complete bodily ascension of Jesus to heaven, you are subtly denying the resurrection even though you aren't admitting that. It's a subtle difference that has you deceived.
It isn't the distinction between the Kingdom and the Kingdom but the distinction between inheriting the Life and entering it.
Christ intentionally proved to the disciples that He is physically risen, specifically that He is not a spirit:
Luke 24:39
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself!
Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have!
the scripture here is also explicit here saying that believing He is not a risen body of flesh and bones is "unbelief"
He is either an intentional deceiver and a liar here, or He indeed has true flesh and bone
Exactly. We would be left without a kinsman redeemer, without a High Priest in heaven and without an intersessor.
Colossians 2 (CSB)
8 Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition,
based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ.
9 For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ,
10 and you have been filled by him, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
8 Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition,
based on the elements of the world, rather than Christ.
9 For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ,
10 and you have been filled by him, who is the head over every ruler and authority.
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Locoponydirtman
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Read the scripture Luke chapter 24. I believe scripture not the reasoning of man.
It comes from this……
2 Corinthians 10:5 KJV
Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
"by" the Spirit.
That does not mean He has no body.
We are also made alive by the Spirit, but we are not disembodied because of it!
