Will Jesus "Second coming" present as a woman this time?
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8 For Christ also suffered for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit,
And then...........
19 in which he also went and made proclamation to the spirits in prison
20 who in the past were disobedient, when God patiently waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared. In it a few—that is, eight people—were saved through water.
21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you (not as the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God) through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.
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Butterflyjone A male does not change to a female, what is to understand?? What is a woman?? A female adult, Now one can change there figure,but they still are what was created. To say Jesus comes back as a woman is an insult to him! Another words stupid! I was being nice, not to say what is true.
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Yes, I know the passage. Thank you for the confirmation.
He was put to death in the flesh and was made alive in the spirit. And it was that which carried on in those descriptions.
Jesus gave his flesh and blood as ransom.
Just as in a money ransom for a life, if someone takes the ransom back that payment for that life is forfeit .
If Jesus took his flesh and blood mortal self back, the ransom is forfeit.
Which didn't happen. That's why he was made alive in the spirit.
He was put to death in the flesh and was made alive in the spirit. And it was that which carried on in those descriptions.
Jesus gave his flesh and blood as ransom.
Just as in a money ransom for a life, if someone takes the ransom back that payment for that life is forfeit .
If Jesus took his flesh and blood mortal self back, the ransom is forfeit.
Which didn't happen. That's why he was made alive in the spirit.
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Subtle insults are never profitable for discussion. I, like a number of others, have attempted to help you understand the scriptures. Most here are Christians seeking to know more and share what they have learned. That should be cause for gratitude and even in disagreement Christ should be magnified.
Grace and peace.
Grace and peace.
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I think you need to take your own advice and stop accusing others of negative intent. Claiming my remarks are a subtle insult does not make it true.
Whereas, after repeated attempts at focusing on what scripture says, and does not say regardless of those who wish to insinuate something into a passage that isn't there, my response was pointed.
Not an insult.
Jesus was God in 1st century Palestine.
He gave his flesh, bread of life, and blood as ransom for our sins.
He died in the flesh and resurrected in spirit because he was then and is eternally the Holy Spirit, God.
People can insist a flesh and blood man lives in Heaven all they wish. Believe what they like. It does not comport with Jesus' divine nature.
God with us... Returned to Heaven as a man?
No.
However, people will believe as they wish.
Whereas, after repeated attempts at focusing on what scripture says, and does not say regardless of those who wish to insinuate something into a passage that isn't there, my response was pointed.
Not an insult.
Jesus was God in 1st century Palestine.
He gave his flesh, bread of life, and blood as ransom for our sins.
He died in the flesh and resurrected in spirit because he was then and is eternally the Holy Spirit, God.
People can insist a flesh and blood man lives in Heaven all they wish. Believe what they like. It does not comport with Jesus' divine nature.
God with us... Returned to Heaven as a man?
No.
However, people will believe as they wish.
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i see nothing in any of these chapters where Christ denies that He will bodily rise and bodily ascended and bodily return, as you asserted He had said.
moreover in both Luke 24 and John 20 Christ explicitly proves, without deceit, that He is not merely risen in spirt but in the literal flesh. to wit: the man Christ Jesus is risen, not only spirit, but flesh also: a living soul
as i see it you have made assertions you cannot support. if it is at all possible please point to a specific passage that says what you have been telling me instead of making me search 6 chapters at a time, none of which seem to contain your view on this matter.
i maintain that it is all based in a misunderstanding of 1 Corinthians 15:59 until you can show otherwise. it has not been shown otherwise, and Luke 24 and John 20 both very clearly oppose the view you've been repeating.
i am well acquainted with the fact this is commonly taught in the modern church and that it has roots in ancient heresy. it is not your fault that you are simply repeating what you have been taught and there is no shame in admitting you were misled. the fault is with those teachers who misled you.
moreover in both Luke 24 and John 20 Christ explicitly proves, without deceit, that He is not merely risen in spirt but in the literal flesh. to wit: the man Christ Jesus is risen, not only spirit, but flesh also: a living soul
as i see it you have made assertions you cannot support. if it is at all possible please point to a specific passage that says what you have been telling me instead of making me search 6 chapters at a time, none of which seem to contain your view on this matter.
i maintain that it is all based in a misunderstanding of 1 Corinthians 15:59 until you can show otherwise. it has not been shown otherwise, and Luke 24 and John 20 both very clearly oppose the view you've been repeating.
i am well acquainted with the fact this is commonly taught in the modern church and that it has roots in ancient heresy. it is not your fault that you are simply repeating what you have been taught and there is no shame in admitting you were misled. the fault is with those teachers who misled you.
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@ButterflyJones i have no idea why you don't avoid Luke 24 or John 20 because therein Jesus makes it 500% clear that He is not just a spirit, as the unbelieving, doubting, troubled apostles thought - He is physically, tangibly risen, flesh and bone, scars and all, completely refuting any idea that He is only spirit.
that is either intentional deception on the part of God or Christ is body and spirit, resurrected and alive forevermore.
put you fingers in His side and tell me He is just a ghost! why does He offer Thomas to do this? to trick him into thinking He has a body of flesh? or to convince him it is true?
your view has one answer to that question and mine has the other. i suggest switch views.
that is either intentional deception on the part of God or Christ is body and spirit, resurrected and alive forevermore.
put you fingers in His side and tell me He is just a ghost! why does He offer Thomas to do this? to trick him into thinking He has a body of flesh? or to convince him it is true?
your view has one answer to that question and mine has the other. i suggest switch views.
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