Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?

homwardbound · Saturday at 9:20 PM

Thank you, yes the only inherent translation is the Greek writing from the Disciples and Paul who was Saul. Originally written in Greek
Therefore I have sought truth from what we have in English unto Father to reveal his love and mercy to me as in Luke 21:14-15, and Matthew 10:16-20
As well as Phil 3:1-20. In process learning too, and have made a million and some more
I, God just love you all

DeepSeeker · Saturday at 10:32 PM

[QUOTE="GWH, post: 5521893, member: 334064

"Thanks DS, you made my day, because learning GW has indeed taken lifelong (50+ years) work,
and it is so disappointing/discouraging when fellow Christians disagree with insights, I believe God has given,
although it keeps us humble![

YES, I know what You mean. I too, Have spent My lifetime doing the same. I started when I learned how to read. Of course, I did not understand what I was reading at that Time. However, looking back, I now understand that God has put Me here at My birth for His purpose!

I remember asking My Mother at a very early age: What time of the Day was I born? She replied: "early in the Day, Just as it was getting light. It took Me many years to look back on that and understand what It meant! Now I do!
Considering that Event, has changed the way I view My life now. That Being some 88 yrs. of It.

DeepSeeker

DeepSeeker · Saturday at 10:39 PM

The One Book in The Bible that has most likely suffered the most misuse, is The Book Of Revelation.
So many people ignore the opening verses of Whom It was written for! Read the introduction!
Are We Today Bond Servants? Are we of the Churches mention in Revelation? Is the conditions given in That Writing the same as Today?
The answer of course is, NO!
Yet people still take what was written To THEM, and apply It to Today. IS there anything in That Writing that may help Bible Students Today? Yes, BUT, Keep It in Its place!

DeepSeeker

posthuman · Saturday at 11:39 PM

DeepSeeker said:

every word in the scriptures, even in the original languages, was written by man.

only the tablets of Moses, the wall of king Belshazarr, and the dust in which Christ put His finger, in all of scripture, we're written by God Himself - but the record of the first two were transcribed byam and the third was not transcribed at all.

yes there are also the 5 books of life and judgement - and we also aren't told what is written in them. and God also writes our new names on white stones - - hidden things, that no man can know. these exist; that's important

but look, even in Aramaic, in Hebrew, and in Greek, it was man writing God's Word. Jesus never put stylus to papyrus. so the moment you say, all scripture is suspect and subject to your personal spirit as far as "what it should say"....

.. well my friend please do not forget the translators of the major English actual-translations ((not modern paraphrases)) were also Christian and have the same claim to the Spirit of discernment you do, but on top of that they also have decades upon decades of devotion to study of languages and interpretation - - some studied Hebrew and Greek for over 50 years. Many were native speakers. None of them were totally without education but armed with internet. how do you compare?

God willed it that His word should be transmitted through humans and in earthly language. asking can we trust it because it involved mankind, and then ourselves, humans, thinking we know better, is highly suspicious.

but at the same time - - the tower of Babel is real.
every time anything is translated from one language to another, either information is lost because the target language is less complex and/or doesn't share all the same nuance, or information is artificially added for the inverse reasons.
so yes there is that. real study at the deepest levels requires intimate, fluent knowledge of the original languages and discerning study of the available manuscript evidence - - and overall is Spirit led.

but the Spirit told exactly one person the truth today but no one else in the last 2000 years? and every leaned man for a thousand years missed some obvious thing, but a complete novice that had trouble swallowing the astounding things they read, saw it? be very, very skeptical of any such thought. the scripture is full of mystery and things beyond human understanding - we should expect that: it's the word of infinite God

the Bereans were noble because they examined everything carefully, not because they rejected those who went before them whenever convenient

posthuman · Saturday at 11:47 PM

posthuman said:

unless i forget something?

@DeepSeeker brother i am not kjv-only. but if my kjv-only brothers drilled one thing in to me, it is to respect the Word of God as it was passed down to us by His will, and be very very careful when you think to edit the text in front of you

that's all i mean to say with my reply - -
sei vorsichtig!

posthuman · Saturday at 11:51 PM

i worry that people say to themselves,
i have the Spirit and the Bible shouldn't say that,
whenever they come to a difficult passage, and just create for theselves their own Bible of their own ego.

@DeepSeeker not accusing you. just being careful

Pilgrimshope · 2025-06-22T00:16:53-0400

posthuman said:

every word in the scriptures, even in the original languages, was written by man.

only the tablets of Moses, the wall of king Belshazarr, and the dust in which Christ put His finger, in all of scripture, we're written by God Himself - but the record of the first two were transcribed byam and the third was not transcribed at all.

yes there are also the 5 books of life and judgement - and we also aren't told what is written in them. and God also writes our new names on white stones - - hidden things, that no man can know. these exist; that's important

but look, even in Aramaic, in Hebrew, and in Greek, it was man writing God's Word. Jesus never put stylus to papyrus. so the moment you say, all scripture is suspect and subject to your personal spirit as far as "what it should say"....

.. well my friend please do not forget the translators of the major English actual-translations ((not modern paraphrases)) were also Christian and have the same claim to the Spirit of discernment you do, but on top of that they also have decades upon decades of devotion to study of languages and interpretation - - some studied Hebrew and Greek for over 50 years. Many were native speakers. None of them were totally without education but armed with internet. how do you compare?

God willed it that His word should be transmitted through humans and in earthly language. asking can we trust it because it involved mankind, and then ourselves, humans, thinking we know better, is highly suspicious.

but at the same time - - the tower of Babel is real.
every time anything is translated from one language to another, either information is lost because the target language is less complex and/or doesn't share all the same nuance, or information is artificially added for the inverse reasons.
so yes there is that. real study at the deepest levels requires intimate, fluent knowledge of the original languages and discerning study of the available manuscript evidence - - and overall is Spirit led.

but the Spirit told exactly one person the truth today but no one else in the last 2000 years? and every leaned man for a thousand years missed some obvious thing, but a complete novice that had trouble swallowing the astounding things they read, saw it? be very, very skeptical of any such thought. the scripture is full of mystery and things beyond human understanding - we should expect that: it's the word of infinite God

the Bereans were noble because they examined everything carefully, not because they rejected those who went before them whenever convenient

Amen

“knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭1:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Godsgood · 2025-06-22T01:31:27-0400

Godsgood said:

What is the relations of the following verses with regards to Jesus as The Everlasting Father?

JOHN 8:56-58
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

JOHN 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.

JOHN 14:8-9
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Renewedstrength316 · 2025-06-22T08:27:19-0400

GWH said:

GWH,

Let me speak plainly. You’ve confused cleverness for clarity, sarcasm for wisdom, and scripture references for submission to Scripture. But God is not impressed by how well we quote verses if we trample their meaning to protect our own constructs.

You said, “Satan slithers in by disallowing questions.” No. Satan slithers in by questioning the authority of God’s Word while appearing spiritual. His poison begins with “Did God really say?”—not to shut down curiosity, but to plant rebellion dressed as reason. There’s a world of difference between honest seeking and serpent-speech.

You mock the idea that the Trinity is not confusing. The early Church struggled not because the doctrine was chaos, but because heretics kept corrupting the clarity. The Nicene fathers bled to defend what the Bible already revealed—that the Son is not the Father, the Spirit is not the Son, and yet all are one in essence. It is not confusion. It is glory, preserved in Scripture long before councils had to clarify it.

As for your taunt—“Explain it mathematically”—that proves the point. God is not a formula. The moment you demand He fit inside human logic, you’ve already created an idol. The Trinity isn’t a math problem to be solved—it’s a Person to be worshiped.

You say my rejection of 1x1x1 logic “explains zero.” Good. I’m not trying to explain God like a chemistry set—I’m declaring what He has revealed. The Son is eternally begotten of the Father (John 1:14), the Spirit proceeds from both (John 15:26), and the Father is unbegotten. Three Persons. One Essence. Worship, not arithmetic.

You claim what I described is modalism—then go on to affirm modalism in the same breath by describing God as “relating in three ways.” That’s not orthodoxy. That’s a mask with three expressions. And no matter how you dress it up, that’s heresy.

You justify functional reductionism by saying, “That’s how God describes Himself.” No. That’s how you’ve chosen to describe Him—by limiting His personhood to function. God reveals who He is, not just what He does. You’ve replaced revelation with a résumé.

You accuse me of denying Christ’s humanity because I rebuked the injection of sexual orientation into the incarnation. That’s not just a misunderstanding—that’s a deep insult. Jesus was fully man, yes. But to suggest He had a “sexual orientation” is carnality wrapped in pseudo-psychological categories foreign to both Scripture and reverence. He was tempted in every way, yet without sin (Hebrews 4:15). Not once does Scripture hint at your line of reasoning—and to even speculate that way is dangerous ground.

And the so-called “Quadity”? You cite Romans 1:20, John 1, Psalm 33, Acts 17—and yet none of them say God is revealed as a fourth person, or a manifestation through creation. You can slap Bible verses on panentheistic language all day—but if it adds to the revealed triune nature of God, then it is not deep theology. It is error, plain and deadly. You warned against panentheism, yes—but then walked right into its house, sat on its couch, and tried to call it “biblical nuance.”

You seem more interested in intellectual fencing than trembling before the holy, unapproachable light of God’s self-revelation.

You said, “God revealed Himself in a whisper.” True. But Elijah didn’t argue with the whisper. He fell on his face. The whisper of God doesn’t coddle rebellion—it crushes pride. If your theology doesn't lead you to awe and repentance, it's not a whisper from heaven—it's an echo of your own reasoning.

You can keep quoting verses. But quoting Scripture isn’t the same as submitting to it. Satan quoted Psalm 91 in the wilderness—Jesus responded with the Word, rightly divided and rightly feared.

You say “LIC”—love in Christ. But love without truth is sentiment. And truth without submission is rebellion.

I pray the Lord breaks every high place in both of us.
I fear God too much to let this go unanswered.
You’re playing chess with lightning.

—Shane

Renewedstrength316 · 2025-06-22T08:31:23-0400

homwardbound said:

Brother, thank you for responding, but hear me clearly:

This is not the hour to drift in poetic impressions and call it truth. You speak of love, reconciliation, and the Father’s goodness—and yes, those are glorious. But none of that nullifies the command to test, to rebuke, and to speak with fire when the truth is being blurred (2 Timothy 4:2).

You quoted beautiful verses about the Son returning to the Father. Amen. I believe every word. But you skipped over the ones that confront us:

> “If we say we have fellowship with Him while we walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.” (1 John 1:6)

You thanked me for asking if you’re “in a fog.” But you didn’t answer the question. You just filled the air with spiritual-sounding phrases that drift rather than declare. And yet Isaiah 58:1 doesn’t say “float softly.” It says:

> “Cry aloud, do not hold back; lift up your voice like a trumpet; declare to my people their transgression.”

That’s not a metaphor. That’s a command.

Yes, God loves us all. Yes, forgiveness is the heart of the gospel. But reconciliation without repentance is not biblical love—it’s spiritual delusion. Romans 2:4 says God’s kindness is meant to lead us to repentance, not make us passive.

You asked, “Is there anyone you haven’t forgiven?”
Forgiveness does not cancel accountability. Grace does not erase truth. Jesus didn’t die so we could pretend everyone is fine while the church falls into compromise. He died to raise a holy Bride, not a passive crowd quoting verses without trembling.

I’m not accusing you—I’m pleading with you.
Don’t use Scripture as a blanket to cover the fog. Use it as a sword to cut through it.

Because the day is evil. The hour is late. And if the trumpet gives an uncertain sound, who shall prepare for the battle? (1 Corinthians 14:8)

Let the trumpet sound.

—Shane
A watchman, still crying aloud.

GWH · 2025-06-22T09:37:28-0400

posthuman said:

every word in the scriptures, even in the original languages, was written by man.

only the tablets of Moses, the wall of king Belshazarr, and the dust in which Christ put His finger, in all of scripture, we're written by God Himself - but the record of the first two were transcribed byam and the third was not transcribed at all.

yes there are also the 5 books of life and judgement - and we also aren't told what is written in them. and God also writes our new names on white stones - - hidden things, that no man can know. these exist; that's important

but look, even in Aramaic, in Hebrew, and in Greek, it was man writing God's Word. Jesus never put stylus to papyrus. so the moment you say, all scripture is suspect and subject to your personal spirit as far as "what it should say"....

.. well my friend please do not forget the translators of the major English actual-translations ((not modern paraphrases)) were also Christian and have the same claim to the Spirit of discernment you do, but on top of that they also have decades upon decades of devotion to study of languages and interpretation - - some studied Hebrew and Greek for over 50 years. Many were native speakers. None of them were totally without education but armed with internet. how do you compare?

God willed it that His word should be transmitted through humans and in earthly language. asking can we trust it because it involved mankind, and then ourselves, humans, thinking we know better, is highly suspicious.

but at the same time - - the tower of Babel is real.
every time anything is translated from one language to another, either information is lost because the target language is less complex and/or doesn't share all the same nuance, or information is artificially added for the inverse reasons.
so yes there is that. real study at the deepest levels requires intimate, fluent knowledge of the original languages and discerning study of the available manuscript evidence - - and overall is Spirit led.

but the Spirit told exactly one person the truth today but no one else in the last 2000 years? and every leaned man for a thousand years missed some obvious thing, but a complete novice that had trouble swallowing the astounding things they read, saw it? be very, very skeptical of any such thought. the scripture is full of mystery and things beyond human understanding - we should expect that: it's the word of infinite God

the Bereans were noble because they examined everything carefully, not because they rejected those who went before them whenever convenient

Excellent information that everyone needs to know.
Yes, the process/history that produced the modern Bible was like making sausage,
so we should be neither surprised nor chagrined to discover grains of sand amid the lode of gold.
It does not matter that Isaiah did not understand Messiah would be the Son who would reveal the Father,
which is indeed a mystery beyond our ken.

homwardbound · 2025-06-22T11:02:20-0400

Renewedstrength316 said:

Thank you, taking it all to my Father, your Father the Father in risen Son in prayer, not in doubt, in trust, to continue to be led and not confused over anything, Thank you Father who knows all and tells all and will take care of it all, and has by Son it is finished, John 19:30 for new life to be installed in the people that choose to believe God, even there are those that say they believe and do not.
It seems, you are the one trying to be in charge and saying sweet swelling words, such as religion does itself and has for years, even in the desert with Jesus evil tried then too.
However, whatever your motive is, I do not see as good, yet thank you
I trust God Father no matter what and love to all is the call, not a shout out, to condemn anyone. For it is the love of God that won and wins. Otherwise Son would not have gone to that cross willingly ever without a flesh fight back
Love to you thank you

DeepSeeker · 2025-06-22T22:24:43-0400

posthuman said:

Posthuman
Are You saying that The Bible contains no errors; because in You openion, It God watched over IT to prevent human error ?

DeepSeeker · 2025-06-22T22:35:18-0400

Does it say anyplace in The Bible scriptures: Create over three hundred Denominations in Christianity to make sure My word is herd; in various ways? ?

DeepSeeker · 2025-06-22T22:42:08-0400

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him , to show to His bondservants' things which must shortly come to pass.
Are we His bondservants?
Had Those Things passed?
He sent and signified It by His Servant John!

Does That mean it was for This Age ?? Are We of those Churches ?
Are We kings and priests to Gid ?
Are Those who perified Him present Today; if this was ment for This Age?
huuum ...

Godsgood · 2025-06-23T08:39:02-0400

Godsgood said:

For an additional support.
How about this verse?

Instead of Remember Me When You Comest Into Thy Father Kingdom.
He said INTO THY KINGDOM.
And Jesus accepted it.

LUKE 23:2-43
42 And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

ChristRoseFromTheDead · 2025-06-23T08:47:16-0400

That translation can't be correct because the son is not the father. The LXX omits that phrase

For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him. Isaiah 9:6 (LXX Brenton)

For a child was born to us; a son was given to us, of whom the sovereignty became upon his shoulder; and his name is called messenger of great counsel, wonderful, counselor, mighty God, potentate, ruler of peace, father of the coming age. For I will bring peace upon the rulers, and his health. Isaiah 9:6 (LXX ABP)

Ouch · 2025-06-23T15:54:44-0400

Godsgood said:

There is only ONE GOD.
I like letting his word do the talking.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

John 1:1 plus 10-12
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days ((( I will raise it up.)))

Look here, JESUS speaking to Nicodemus. JESUS is ON the earth and he is also in Heaven!!
John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Verses that JESUS spoke and those that GOD spoke.
JESUS IS COMING
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matthew 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD IS COMING
Zechariah 14:4,5, 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, Revelation 19:11, 16

JESUS THE CREATOR
John 1:10, 1 cor 8:6, Ephesians 3:9, Col. 1:12-17, Hebrews 1:8-12, Revelation 4:8-11, 10:6, 14:6-7, 21:5-7, 22:3.
GOD THE CREATOR
Genesis 1:1, 2:7, Job 33:4, Psalm 33:6, 104:30, I sa 40:28, 44:24, 45:11-18, Mal 2:10

JESUS THE ROCK
1 Thess 3:11-13, Matt 25:31-46, Titus 2:11-13
GOD THE ROCK
Deut 32:1-4, 2 Samuel 22:1-3, 22:32, Psalm 18:2, 31:3, 78:34-35, 89:26, Isaiah 17:10-11

JESUS THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
1 John 4:14, 1 Peter 2:21-24, Acts 20:28, Gal 3:13, Luke 24:21-29, 2:10-11, Philippians 3:20, 1 Timothy 1:1-3, 4:10, Tutus 1:1-4, 2:10-13, 1 Peter 1:10-11, Jude 25
GOD THE REDEEMER AND SAVIOR
Psalm 78:34-35, I Isaiah 47:4, 44:6, 43:3-11, 45:21, 49:26, Psalm 106:21, Luke 1:46-47

JESUS FIRST AND LAST
Revelation 1:17, 22:13
GOD FIRST AND LAST
Isaiah 41:4, 43:10-11, 44:6-8

JESUS THE SHEPHERD
John 10:8-12, 1 Peter 2:21-25, Hebrews 13:20, 1 peter 5:4
GOD THE SHEPHERD
Psalm 23, Isaiah 40:10-11, Psalm 100

JESUS THE I AM AND I AM HE
John 18:5-8, 8:24-28, Revelation 1:17-18,
GOD THE I AM AND I AM HE
Exodus 3:13-14, Isaiah 43:10-11 and 25.

JESUS THE KING
Matthew 2:1-6, Luke 19:32-28, 23:3, John 18:37, 19:21, 1 Timothy 6:13-16, Revelation 15:1-4, 19:11-16
GOD THE KING
Psalm 24, 44:4, 74:12, Isaiah 43:10-15, 44:6-8, Jeremiah 10:10, Zechaniah 14:9

ChristRoseFromTheDead · 2025-06-23T15:57:19-0400

But Jesus is not the father. Never has been and never will be. He is the image or form of the invisible God, ie, the father.

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