Who is Jesus Christ in this verse and why they call him The Everlasting Father?

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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
 

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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
I believe the correlation is here:

1 Corinthians 15:45
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam a life-giving spirit.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!

and also here:
1 John 5:1
Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father also loves those born of Him.

How is it determined, definitively, exactly Who the phrase "born of Him" is referring to?
 

TabinRivCA

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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
In the OT the coming Jesus is referred to as 'Immanuel' meaning 'God is with us' Isa 7:14 and Isa 8:8. In the NT Jesus says 'I and the Father are One' Jn 10:30. Great question btw!
 

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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
“a child is born, unto us a son is given:”

his name shall be called”

Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”

“As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. ( father son and Holy Ghost ) And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2:6, 9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thats written of the son who was born and given unto us.

“Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“I and my Father are one.”
‭‭John‬ ‭10:30‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:5‬ ‭

“I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, And the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Serve the LORD with fear, And rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, When his wrath is kindled but a little.

Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭2:7-8, 11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Finally

“And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Little children, keep yourselves from idols. Amen.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:20-21‬ ‭

The son is the central figure of scripture because he is the fullness of God manifest in the flesh father son and Holy Ghost in one man bodily.
 

Pilgrimshope

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There is no one else

Father and I are one. John 10:30
“For I am the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:3‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭43:10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭2:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭4:10‬ ‭

“And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭4:14‬ ‭
 
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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Obviously the message got garbled since we know he should have said the everlasting Son.
 
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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Because Jesus IS God. God the Son. Read the 1st Chapter of the Gospel of John to learn more.
 
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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Jesus was clear, Father and him are One. He is the propitiation for sin 1 John 2:1-2, we are forgiven 1 John 2:12, best to read the whole Chapter and see once in belief we are made new and can hear Father in Spirit and Truth, Son being One with Father, being given 1John 2:27
To hear from Daddy. PaPa, Father directly in love to all in mercy6 and truth, thank you
 

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The tag "father" isn't limited to paternal ancestors, but also applies to just
about anyone with the wherewithal to protect and sustain life, i.e. a
provider; either materially or spiritually, which includes folks in key political
positions (Gen 45:8) and/or religious positions. (2Kgs 2:12)


Israel's protectors and providers came and went in a succession of losers
and winners; whereas the one predicted to take David's throne in Isa 9:6-7
will be permanent.


Isa 9:7 . . Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end.

Mic 4:2-4 . . And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go
up to the mountain of The Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and
he will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths: for the law shall
go forth of Zion, and the word of The Lord from Jerusalem.


. . And He shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar
off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into
pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall
they learn war any more.


. . But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and
none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of The Lord of hosts hath
spoken it.
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John 1:1-3, In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him and without him was not any thing made that was made. John1:14, And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us. Jesus is the Living Word of God the Father. Jesus was God in the flesh. Gen 1:26, And God said, Let us make man in our image. Jesus was made in the image of God himself. John 14:9, He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.




word was with
 
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ISAIAH 9:6
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 9:6 isn’t just a Christmas card verse. It’s a war declaration.

> “Unto us a child is born… a son is given… and the government shall be upon His shoulder.”



This verse tears a hole in the fabric of time. It tells us that the eternal God — YHWH, the I AM — stepped into flesh not just to comfort, but to conquer. Let’s break it down:

🔥 “A child is born” — Humanity

This speaks to Jesus’ full humanity. He didn’t just appear like an angel. He was born, from the womb of a virgin, stepping into our suffering, pain, and weakness. He wept, bled, was tempted — yet without sin.

⚔️ “A son is given” — Divinity

This isn’t just a baby — this is the eternal Son of God, given by the Father. John 3:16 echoes this:

> “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son…”



This gift wasn’t just to comfort us — it was to redeem and rule us.

👑 “The government shall be upon His shoulder” — Authority

Not the government of man. Not politics. This is about divine rule. He carries the weight of dominion, justice, and judgment. Revelation 19 shows this Son returning with many crowns, executing righteousness, and ruling the nations with a rod of iron.

🙌 “Wonderful, Counsellor” — Wisdom and Wonder

He doesn’t just give advice. He embodies divine wisdom. He is the Word (John 1:1). His counsel breaks chains, silences demons, and gives life to the dead.

💥 “The Mighty God” — No Debate

Let this crush every false doctrine. Jesus is not a god, not a created being, not just a prophet.
He is El Gibbor — the Warrior-God, Almighty.

> “In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” (Col. 2:9)



🕊 “The Everlasting Father” — Unity with the Father

This doesn’t confuse the Trinity. Isaiah uses titles of divine character. Jesus reflects the Father's eternal nature, His protection, provision, and eternal love. He said,

> “Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father.” (John 14:9)



🌍 “The Prince of Peace” — Ruler of Reconciliation

Not peace like the world gives. Real peace — peace between God and man. The blood of His cross tore the veil, silenced the wrath of God, and destroyed the power of death.


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This one verse shatters every human system, every false religion, every watered-down gospel.

Isaiah 9:6 declares that Jesus is not just a Savior — He’s the sovereign King.
And He’s not coming back as a baby. He’s coming back with fire in His eyes and a sword in His mouth (Rev. 19:11–16). This is the Messiah we preach. Not soft. Not safe. But holy, eternal, and unstoppable.

He rules. He reigns. And He will not be voted out.