Which Bible Verses Will Prepare You for the Post-Tribulation Rapture (and the Great Tribulation Before That?)

[Truthnightmare]

There are 2 distinct questions asked by the deciples in Matthew 24. I pertains to the destruction of the temple (70AD) and the other is the end of the age. Jesus comments addressed both events. Don't conflate the two. Also, in the same account of the temple destruction as recorded in parallel verses of Luke and Mark, the texts say nothing about the end of the age ad part of the question to Jesus yet he responds similarly providing comments about it. Also, read about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD as recorded by Josephus. That event truly was unimaginable and a great tribulation and clearly parallels the comments of Matt 24 regarding the great tribulation.

https://josephus.org/causeofDestruct.htm

Also, in the same account of the temple destruction as recorded in parallel verses of Luke and Mark, the texts say nothing about the end of the age

Matthew 24:3
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ

aión: a space of time, an age
Original Word: αἰών, ῶνος, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: aión
Phonetic Spelling: (ahee-ohn')
Definition: a space of time, an age
Usage: an age, a cycle (of time), especially of the present age as contrasted with the future age, and of one of a series of ages stretching to infinity.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

It's only imoportant what the bible says. The tribulation is against Christians (the church) not anyone else.

"The Church which is His body" came into existence only after His resurrection / ascension / exaltation: Ephesians 1:20-23 ("WHEN [as to its existence]"--of whom He is "HEAD"); and it (that is, "His Body") is characterized by the indwelling Holy Spirit, which did not occur until after this point in the chronology-->: " (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" John 7:39 (there was no "BODY OF CHRIST" prior to this point--It was "CREATED IN Christ Jesus"); Furthermore, "IN CHRIST [/IN HIM]" is a NEW Testament designation (is not used of OT saints)...



The term "Christians" (as you are wanting to insist Jesus referenced in Matt24) was a term that LATER was applied to believers / the disciples--in Acts 11:26, where it states, "And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

But this is beside the point; not pertinent to our discussion what other people surrounding them were then, at that point in the chronology (well after Jesus' death and resurrection) calling the disciples--they were believers well prior to that point in the chronology, so it doesn't make any difference in the context of our present discussion. No one disagrees that the ones slated for persecution in the Matt24 text ARE BELIEVERS... of course! (But the chronology of just "WHEN" Matt24 is speaking to, DOES matter [to proper application, etc].)






The "ye / you" in the Olivet Discourse is a consistent "ye / you" (I supplied the Lk21:12-24 passage in an earlier post, highlighting the "ye / you / your" words, to this point); and is a "proleptic 'you'" (meaning, basically, "all those in the future OF THE SAME CATEGORY," and in this context, that is, "those to whom the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom" was promised: believing-Israel).
Yes, "guests" will also be INVITED (by them--during the Trib)... i.e. "the nationS" (as we see the results of that in both Matt25:31-34 and places like Rev7:9-17 the "a great multitude... of all the nationS" [via Mt24:14 / 26:13 's msg, delivered IN / DURING / WITHIN the Trib yrs... BY THEM / by believing-Israel])

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

^ To ADD a verse I left out but meant to include:

"the enmity in his flesh [referring to His DEATH], the law of the commands in ordinances having done away, that the two he might create in himself into one [altogether] new man, making peace" Eph2:15

ewq1938 said:
It's only imoportant what the bible says.

I can agree with you on that point. = )

 

[ewq1938]

In other words, the tribulation is against the church so naturally the church is here on the Earth to go through it.

"The Church which is His body" came into existence only after His resurrection / ascension / exaltation: Ephesians 1:20-23 ("WHEN [as to its existence]"--of whom He is "HEAD"); and it (that is, "His Body") is characterized by the indwelling Holy Spirit, which did not occur until after this point in the chronology-->: " (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)" John 7:39 (there was no "BODY OF CHRIST" prior to this point--It was "CREATED IN Christ Jesus"); Furthermore, "IN CHRIST [/IN HIM]" is a NEW Testament designation (is not used of OT saints)...



The term "Christians" (as you are wanting to insist Jesus referenced in Matt24) was a term that LATER was applied to believers / the disciples--in Acts 11:26, where it states, "And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch."

But this is beside the point; not pertinent to our discussion what other people surrounding them were then, at that point in the chronology (well after Jesus' death and resurrection) calling the disciples--they were believers well prior to that point in the chronology, so it doesn't make any difference in the context of our present discussion. No one disagrees that the ones slated for persecution in the Matt24 text ARE BELIEVERS... of course! (But the chronology of just "WHEN" Matt24 is speaking to, DOES matter [to proper application, etc].)






The "ye / you" in the Olivet Discourse is a consistent "ye / you" (I supplied the Lk21:12-24 passage in an earlier post, highlighting the "ye / you / your" words, to this point); and is a "proleptic 'you'" (meaning, basically, "all those in the future OF THE SAME CATEGORY," and in this context, that is, "those to whom the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom" was promised: believing-Israel).
Yes, "guests" will also be INVITED (by them--during the Trib)... i.e. "the nationS" (as we see the results of that in both Matt25:31-34 and places like Rev7:9-17 the "a great multitude... of all the nationS" [via Mt24:14 / 26:13 's msg, delivered IN / DURING / WITHIN the Trib yrs... BY THEM / by believing-Israel])

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

In other words, the tribulation is against the church so naturally the church is here on the Earth to go through it.

"The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (to whom "Rapture" SOLELY pertains) will have already been "caught up" prior to EVERYTHING from the Matt24:4 onward.



FOLLOWING "our Rapture" (which event will be a MAJOR IMPETUS that turns Israel to Christ in faith / belief... PTL!!!), then those of Israel come to faith in Christ... when they are IN the Trib yrs... (which starts at the INITIAL "birth PANG [Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 - tis - 'A CERTAIN ONE [G5100]'--'A CERTAIN ONE' bringing deception; 1Th5:1-3, i.e the ARRIVAL of "the DOTL" time period of judgments unfolding upon the earth]"... which initial "BP" IS EQUIVALENT to "SEAL #1" (rider on wht horse WITH A 'BOW' i.e. 'deception')--and it is those that Matt24 speaks of (not "the Church which is His body" / us).









Again, one should compare Matt24:29-31 with its parallel passage in Isaiah 27:9,12-13 (and v.9 with both Rom11:27 "this is My covenant UNTO THEM, when I shall take away THEIR sins"--Dan9:24 also same point re: THEM [these, all speaking re: ISRAEL... along with many other passages regarding same matter!])





[Rev5:9's "hast redeemed US... out-of EVERY..." is stated BEFORE Jesus will open the FIRST SEAL of the TRIB yrs]

 

[ewq1938]

"The Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (to whom "Rapture" SOLELY pertains) will have already been "caught up" prior to EVERYTHING from the Matt24:4 onward.

Nope. They are the targets of the tribulation, satan's wrath, and have to be here to fulfill prophecy. The only "departure" that happens pre-trib is the apostasia.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Nope. They are the targets of the tribulation, satan's wrath, and have to be here to fulfill prophecy. The only "departure" that happens pre-trib is the apostasia.

"OUR episynagoges UNTO HIM" happens prior to the presence of "the Day of the Lord" unfolding upon the earth (with its "judgments" and its "man of sin"); and Paul had already made abundantly clear that "the Day of the Lord" ARRIVES "exactly like [hosper]" the INITIAL "birth PANG [singular]" (i.e. Matt24:4 / Mk13:5 [aka SEAL #1]), NOT LATER at His Second Coming point in time (Matt24:29-31).




That's clear as a bell in 2Th2:1-2 (when one defines the "false claim" in v.2 biblically, rather than a made up idea INJECTED into that text, as many tend to do).







And that's even before anything in v.3 (as you're zeroed in on)

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

And that's even before anything in v.3 (as you're zeroed in on)

And that's even before looking at anything in v.3...

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Nope. They are the targets of the tribulation, satan's wrath, and have to be here to fulfill prophecy.

Not "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY".



Let the reader recognize that "satan's wrath" (you refer to here) starts at the MID-trib point (when the "GREAT" tribulation aspect is starting), when 1260 days are yet remaining (i.e. the second half of the 7 years); where Rev12:12b-13 states,

[v.12b] Woe to the earth and the sea,

because the devil has come down to you, having great fury [/wrath],

knowing that he has a short time.”

The Woman Persecuted

13And when the dragon saw that he had been thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who had brought forth the male child. ['the male' - G730 - arsena / arren; Note: no word "child" is in the Grk text of this verse, v.13]...


and then verse 17 of that passage says, " 17And the dragon was angry with the woman, and he went to make to war with the rest of her children [/the REMNANT of her seed] keeping the commandments of God and holding the testimony of Jesus.




Note that this verse 13, about "the woman" who had brought forth the male [G730], corresponds with "the woman" spoken of in Micah 5:3 (not referencing Jesus' own birth, as v.2 speaks to), where verse 3 states,


Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.


... which corresponds exactly with what Rev12:17 is speaking of (or rather, WHO).

It is not referring to "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY" (us) whom He never does the "GIVE THEM UP UNTIL THE TIME THAT..." thing to, as Micah 5:3 speaks of.





"the remnant of her seed" / "the rest of" / "the remnant of His brethren" = those of Israel (who is presently having the "blindness / a hardening... UNTIL" [Rom11:25(,15)]... but only "UNTIL," see... Just like many of the passages REGARDING THEM use the word "TILL / UNTIL" [Mic5:3 and Rom11:25 are just two examples; etc, etc... Matt23:39...])

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

... Hosea 5:14-15 "TILL"... (and lots more...)

 

[seed_time_harvest]

1 Thessalonians 5:8-9
kjv

8 But let vs who are of the day, bee sober, putting on the brestplate of faith and loue, and for an helmet, the hope of saluation.

9 For God hath not appointed vs to wrath: but to obtaine saluation by our Lord Iesus Christ,

 

[oyster67]

Anyway, let's move on to the topic of the persecution of Christians during the Great Tribulation....

Revelation 13:7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

This verse you have posted is not primarily about Christians, but about Jews. (Although some gentiles will come to Christ at this time.)

Although some "Trib Saints" will be present, The Trib is known to be "The time of Jacob's trouble." That is a reference to Israel. The Lord shall lead them to the wilderness and protect them there.

Since the AC is going to conquer us, it's extremely important to know how to deal with this.

No.
It is we who are conquerors through Christ.
Romans 8:37
“Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.”

The Church has been enduring hardships ever since it's inception, but it will never come under God's wrath. The Church will be raptured out pre-trib and Israel will be protected in the wilderness. No post-trib rapture is spoken of in the Bible.

 

[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

Do you believe the Covid vaccine is the mark of the beast? And if so, why haven't you explicitly stated this? Do you not care either way?

No, I don't believe the COVID vaccine is the mark of the beast - only a precursor of it. The globalists are testing to see how the world will react to a basic control scheme. A lot of the world reacted badly to it. So when the mark of the beast comes, they're going to think up some way of making it more attractive and "beneficial".

Kind of reminds me of when the Jews were being piled into Auschwitz, and the Nazis told them, "Welcome to your new home! You've had a long journey in such cramped cattle cars. So what we'll do is send your to the bath house where you can bath and get some fresh new clothes to wear in your new quarters!...."

Anyway, even though I know it's not the mark of the beast, the globalists are still trying to use it to control us somehow. Like with travel for example.

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[2ndTimeIsTheCharm]

This verse you have posted is not primarily about Christians, but about Jews. (Although some gentiles will come to Christ at this time.)

Although some "Trib Saints" will be present, The Trib is known to be "The time of Jacob's trouble." That is a reference to Israel. The Lord shall lead them to the wilderness and protect them there.


No.
It is we who are conquerors through Christ.
Romans 8:37
“Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.”

The Church has been enduring hardships ever since it's inception, but it will never come under God's wrath. The Church will be raptured out pre-trib and Israel will be protected in the wilderness. No post-trib rapture is spoken of in the Bible.

Other people have already debated this issue ad nauseum. The plain reading of the Bible teaches a Post-Trib Rapture/Gathering. You don't need other books, lexicons, other Bible helps or teachers to come to that conclusion, whereas you're constantly being told in Pre-Trib teaching that the Bible doesn't say what it actually says, and then introduces a false meaning to them.

One of the biggest fallacies is that the Great Falling Away is the Rapture, for example, and the other teaches about it are like that.

Anyway, it's within our lifetimes. You can push the Pre-Trib teaching as much a you want hoping God will change His mind, but you'll all be woefully unprepared for the Great Tribulation. Just don't get mad at Post-Tribbers, because we've been trying to warn you all and encourage you to build your trust and faith in the Lord for what's to come.


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[ewq1938]

Not "the Church WHICH IS HIS BODY".

Wrong. It is against that same church and body. The scriptures make that clear.

The church will be in the tribulation which is a war against the saints, where some Christians are killed. No one is raptured away to be saved from this:

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

These people are already Christians when satan goes to make war against them. There is no scriptural support for the idea that the church is gone, then non-Christians suddenly accept Christ and become new Christians in the Tribulation and then fulfill the role of the persecuted church in the tribulation. That is a concept that does not appear in scripture.


Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Rev 6:9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
Rev 6:10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Rev 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
Rev 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
Rev 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
Rev 11:6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

 

[07-07-07]

Here’s some principles to live by for those of you who may be living in the tribulation.

Revelation 13:
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

You probably should be stocking up food and supplies because you won’t be able to buy anything unless you take the mark.

I was thinking this morning about post-tribulation believers. Are they preparing sanctuary cities right now for the Saints to join together in order to survive? They can learn to live off of the grid while they have time to prepare. In the Book of Acts, all of the followers of Jesus sold their possessions and had all things in common. Are post-tribulation believers doing the same? They will need each others support, desperately.

 

[07-07-07]

This coming event puts most of us in a situation that doesn't occur often at all in ones life, specifically the taking away of our ability to buy and sell, to provide for ourselves and our families. And God had shown in the Bible that what to come is going to be the worst time in history. So it needs specific preparation.

This coming Great Tribulation is going to cause a great falling away of people who aren't ready for it, so it's not just about everyday practice of trust and faith. Seriously, what will you do when the mark of the beast is implemented and you refused the mark? How are you going to provide for yourself and your family if you have one? If you haven't built up your trust and fellowship level in the Lord enough to be able to hear His specific instructions to you about provision or allowed room for God miraculous provision, than are you really ready at all with your everyday level of faith and trust in the Lord? This thread is about that, to encourage people to deepen their trust, fellowship, faith and endurance much further to be able to face all the sorts of severe persecution that Christians will face in the Great Tribulation.


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During such times, and even now, our focus must be on the well-being of our Brothers and Sisters in Christ, not unsaved kin. We love and pray for them, but our commitment must be to the family of God.

Luke 14
[25] And there went great multitudes with him [Jesus]: and he turned, and said unto them,
[26] If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
[27] And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
[28] For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?
[29] Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,
[30] Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
[31] Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
[32] Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
[33] So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
[34] Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
[35] It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

[07-07-07]

The great tribulation happened in 70AD. No bible verse can prepare us for that! You're misunderstanding Matt 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13.

Really? Has Jesus already returned and everyone missed it?

Matthew 24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[07-07-07]

Do you believe the Covid vaccine is the mark of the beast? And if so, why haven't you explicitly stated this? Do you not care either way?

The COVID vaccine requirement was a prelude of the coming mark of the beast. No commerce unless you have it.

 

[DJT_47]

Really? Has Jesus already returned and everyone missed it?

Matthew 24
[21] For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
[22] And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
[23] Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
[24] For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
[25] Behold, I have told you before.
[26] Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
[27] For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Read my post #102 above