Which Bible Verses Will Prepare You for the Post-Tribulation Rapture (and the Great Tribulation Before That?)

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iamsoandso

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Why do you believe that? Would you say secular man made Abraham?

I didn't say Abraham I said Israel and I gave you the verse in post #76 where it tells you " deceived those dwelling on the earth..." that is those dwelling on the earth make an image of the beast(a nation),they sat it back up... Gods going to do that also but first the one men set up has to be removed now.
 

iamsoandso

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The deadly wound is something that happens to one of the mountains of the Rev 13:1 beast. Mountains are just land masses in Greek. Something that far ago can't be something part of the beast healed from as it is an endtimes thing only as it lasts for 42 months then is destroyed.





NJ comes LONG after Christ's return. It doesn't come with him. The old Earth isn't even there when NJ comes down to the new Earth. Christ's return is to this old Earth like the first coming was.

No it had already received it's deadly wound in Rev.13 and was in the pit in Rev. 17:8 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/17-8.htm the angel told John it was already in the pit and was going to ascend out of it...
 
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I didn't say Abraham I said Israel and I gave you the verse in post #76 where it tells you " deceived those dwelling on the earth..." that is those dwelling on the earth make an image of the beast(a nation),they sat it back up... Gods going to do that also but first the one men set up has to be removed now.
I agree with much you are saying, I think our
timelines differ.
I associate Abraham with Israel, I believe the “A”’in Israel is for Abraham.
 
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The deadly wound is something that happens to one of the mountains of the Rev 13:1 beast. Mountains are just land masses in Greek. Something that far ago can't be something part of the beast healed from as it is an endtimes thing only as it lasts for 42 months then is destroyed.

NJ comes LONG after Christ's return. It doesn't come with him. The old Earth isn't even there when NJ comes down to the new Earth. Christ's return is to this old Earth like the first coming was.
Really good post!!!
I don’t think it’s destroyed unto a bit later.
 

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It doesn't matter to me if you insult me to try to discourage me from continuing with this thread, because this is really important. I did know before I posted this thread that some were going to be offended by it, but God did move me to post it to make people aware about how to prepare for this event.

With God placing this in my heart to post this thread at this time, what this tells me, is that there is still time before the Great Tribulation comes, enough time to strengthen our trust and faith in the Lord, enough time for Him, if we let Him, to put us into situations where we can practice that faith and put it into action. All this if we start now.

If you don't want to do any of that, well I've done my job of raising awareness. It's not my job to convince you. But this thread WILL reach the people it needs to.


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I am glad that you are posting this thread because many will be left behind and will need your encouraging sentiment.

Jus' saying that I won't be one of 'em.

Not offended by you one bit. Being saved now is what matters to me. You will soon be pleasantly surprised, and I am happy about that.
 

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Hi Everyone!

Just like the title says, what bible verses will prepare us for the Post-Tribulation Rapture and the Great Tribulation before that? Please no debate about whether the Rapture is Pre-, Mid-, Post- or non-existent (I'm fine either way with a rapture or gathering - doesn't matter to me as long as the Lord Jesus collects us!). There are plenty of other threads where you can debate about when the Rapture/gathering occurs ad nauseum.

Please post the verse and then do a little exposition or bible study on it or simply what it means to you in preparing for what's to come.


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I'll start:

When I first realized that the Rapture will be AFTER the Great Tribulation, I was honestly really afraid. I started looking at YouTube videos about prepping, growing food, purifying water, solar panels, etc. But all that just made me more anxious.

God set me straight though! He had me focus on what He instructs us in the Bible about how to prepare for the Post-Trib end times. It must start with our walk with the Lord, our trust in Him. Preparation starts spiritually, not physically.

There's actually a lot of verses, but right now I'm in Luke 12.

The first thing in this passage that pertains to the Post-Trib end times (for me anyway) is:

Luke 12:22 Then Jesus said to his disciples: “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23 For life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. 24 Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! 25 Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to your life? 26 Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

27 “Consider how the wild flowers grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. 28 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you—you of little faith! 29 And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. 30 For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. 31 But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

32 “Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. 33 Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will never fail, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. 34 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


So this passage for me is God telling me to not focus on stockpiling and other physical preparation. Put God and His kingdom as first priority and He will somehow provide.

I can testify that He has caused me never to be rich, but miraculously, I've always had enough and even been given things that I want and not just need. It made me appreciate just how thoughtful God is that He'd even do that to consider the things I like that aren't necessarily essential. I experienced this early in my walk with Him and through out the rest of my walk with Him.

I wonder how the Lord will provide for me and all the other faithful Christians out there when our ability to buy and sell gets cut off by refusing the mark of the beast, but I'm actually very confident that He will. For some Christians, He will have specific instructions to stockpile, etc. as He did with Noah and Joseph. For others, He will provide what's needed like the ravens feeding Elijah during the 3-year drought or manna from heaven during Israel's 40 years of wandering in the desert.

This passage is extremely comforting to me and took a lot of the anxiety off me. I really think God put this passage in the Bible, not only to let us know that He will take good care and provide for us, but also to give great comfort to us as well. This passage was like a big warm, protective hug from the Lord, telling me not to get scared of the coming Great Tribulation!


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The great tribulation happened in 70AD. No bible verse can prepare us for that! You're misunderstanding Matt 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13.
 

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"Your ignorance makes me ill and angry." Gwyllm Griffiths, The Outer Limits, "The Sixth Finger."
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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I believe that most of these events took place in the first century. That said, it is always good to build our trust and faith in the Lord. :)

If you say so, but the mark of the beast hasn't come to pass yet. So when the one-world government takes place and a banking and economic system is enforced that requires everyone to receive a mark in order to buy and sell, are you going to take that mark because you don't think it's THE mark of the beast?

I'm really curious about the side effects if you receive it, so I hope you post about that to this forum. According to the Bible, they're pretty bad.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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I am glad that you are posting this thread because many will be left behind and will need your encouraging sentiment.

Jus' saying that I won't be one of 'em.

Not offended by you one bit. Being saved now is what matters to me. You will soon be pleasantly surprised, and I am happy about that.

That Pre-Trib false teaching of God leaving behind Post-Tribbers has major flaws in that.

Pre-Tribbers say that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit and will be taken out of the way. Since the Holy Spirit dwells within all believers and He is taken away, that means the Lord's believers will be Raptured.

So that would mean even the Post-Tribbers will be taken up too because we have the Holy Spirit as well!

So you see? That "left behind" false teaching is incredibly STUPID. I always get a big laugh out of that every time someone posts it!


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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The great tribulation happened in 70AD. No bible verse can prepare us for that! You're misunderstanding Matt 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13.

A lot of what was prophesied doesn't line up with the events in 70AD, so the Great Tribulation can't be the persecution event that happened in 70AD. I study the Bible too, and I know I didn't misunderstand Matt 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13.

In terms of the Bible, the Bible gives instruction about everything that God want us to do to prepare for any event so saying that "No bible verse can prepare us for that!" might only apply to you if you don't take it to heart and do what it says.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Show me where I have been upset -----:ROFL:---I am having a great time with your posts to me -----so funny I say -:LOL::ROFL:

I will be sad when you stop posting this so called Post --Trib Rapture --your not alone in your thinking either ---there are many on here who think Like you do -------

i say
Go back and look at my post on page 1 Post 20 I believe ---I even wish you Good LUCK with your belief----you take that as being me being upset -----WOW !!!!!!!!!!

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Your the one scared and don't want to hear from others who may present scripture to show that there is a Pre --Trib ----for the Church Age Saints ------cause then you might just get confused ----LOL :ROFL:


You posted this in your OP -------

OH -----NOT DEBATES Allowed ----this says -------I am scared that someone might post scripture that goes against the Post --Trib theory --------as I am the only one who knows when the Rapture is ---I have all the scripture to back it up cause I trust God and He spoke to me and gave ME ONLY ---all the truth and the truth is ==there is a post Rapture of the Saints -------

I say -------You my friend seem to have a ego problem ---and a true Christian is to lay ego down ------so this says to me that your not a mature Christian in your walk with Christ yet ---as per what you yourself write -

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This is YOUR COMMENT from your OP ------

Please no debate about whether the Rapture is Pre-, Mid-, Post- or non-existent

(I'm fine either way with a rapture or gathering - doesn't matter to me as long as the Lord Jesus collects us!).

There are plenty of other threads where you can debate about when the Rapture/gathering occurs ad nauseum.

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Then you say this --------I'm fine either way with a rapture or gathering - doesn't matter to me as long as the Lord Jesus collects us!).

That is a lie ---
as your not fine with the Rapture ---Pre --trib ------your posting show that BIG TIME -----No debate --no scripture posted to refute what you think ------this thread is all about you and what you Think YOU KNOW and Want to Believe -------


And with this Statement you make here ------

you said ====
There are plenty of other threads where you can debate about when the Rapture/gathering occurs ad nauseum.

I say -----------YOUR Fear of anyone refuting what you believe shows here big time -------telling people that can't post what they believe about the Rapture unless they think like you -------is very sad -------


Here is what you said to someone who Challenged your belief --------

Nehemiah6 said:
Really? Do you even know the purpose of the Tribulation? And do you even know the purpose of the reign of the Antichrist?

YOUR POST Reply ----TO Nehemiah6 -----who is asking you a question ------

your Quote here
You can argue about that on a Pre-Trib vs. Post-Trib thread, but not here. I won't be joining in on that though because it never gets resolved.

I say ------How Rude is this answer to Nehemiah6 ---feeding your ego here I think --saying I'm in charge here -this is MY THREAD ---------Satan is your influence here not God ------there was a question being asked of you ---there was no argument your the one arguing here --and being rude
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Your Quote here
This thread is about how to prepare to endure the GT to the end, even unto death or when Jesus comes to collect us after the GT.

I say -----This thread is not about how to prepare for the Rapture ---it is all about what you believe to be true and don't want to listen to others who just may know more than you do --------

Your Quote here
PS - I'm so convinced that it will be a Post-Trib rapture, and this is why I started this thread. If anything, when the AC shows up and we're all still here, this thread may help people out.

I say -----Again ----your convinced ------it is all about you being convinced ----EGO BEING FED --by the Flesh -----you care not about hearing what others are convinced of -------you want the floor for yourself --and again you show your Fleshy Ego being Fed here by your statement here ------

Your Quote here ----
this is why I started this thread. If anything, when the AC shows up and we're all still here, this thread may help people out.

I say ----arrogance ---showing up here ---feeding Ego -again ----- puffing yourself up ------which goes against Scripture -----for the true Christians ------

Jesus says -----when you help people or pray for others do not advertise it ---do it in private ----- so it gives God the Glory -----your taking the glory yourself ---puffing yourself up -----sad ------

Don't let the left hand know what the right hand is doing --------Great Scripture to learn from

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There are scriptures to back up the PRE_-_TrIb Rapture ---whether you like it or not -----and when you read the Scripture and research it and understand it ------the Pre--Trib Rapture makes Much more sense than the Post --Trib Rapture ------

So I suggest you research the Scripture properly and ask the Holy Spirit if you have the indwelling of Him to give you the REAL TRUTH behind the Rhema Word of God --------

Here is a good place to start -----research the Scripture ---and get in touch with the Holy spirit ---and get the truth -----not a personal belief ---

https://www.biblestudytools.com/topical-verses/rapture-bible-verses/

Well, I already prayed for you and tried to encourage you not freak out but rather build up your faith. There's nothing more to do here. What matters is that you'll remember all this when the GT starts and hopefully you'll learn to endure quickly.

God Bless you! :)


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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Anyway, let's move on to the topic of the persecution of Christians during the Great Tribulation....

Revelation 13:7 It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.

Since the AC is going to conquer us, it's extremely important to know how to deal with this.

The passage that the Lord has laid on my heart in regard to that so far is this:

Romans 8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written:

“For your sake we face death all day long;
we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”


37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

I think the reason why God had laid this on my heart in regard to persecution in the Great Tribulation is to remind us strongly that we are not alone. God will be with us through it all!

Also note in this passage that God doesn't take anyone out of their trials and persecutions, but will get His people through them!

If we don't remember this important fact, Satan can and will take advantage of that and try to increase despair and doubt, to try to break our faith and trust in the Lord.

So this concept of God being with us, especially during trials and persecution is really important to remember! I say this because when my faith wasn't as strong, when I did face trials and persecution, it really did feel like I was alone, that God wasn't there, or that He's far away. As a result I would get discouraged and would fail to grow in my trust and faith in Christ. Thank God doesn't give up on His people so easily. I finally got it. God taught me that we can't base our experiences on what we're feeling. We have to train our minds and hearts to remember and know that God is there with us.

Once I understood and practiced knowing that He's with me, facing the persecutions and trials became so much easier to deal with! I think that's how all the prophets and apostles and regular Christians were able to remain with God even as they were dying.

Here's a perfect example. Stephen in the book of Acts was standing before the Sanhedrin under false charges. So Stephen was giving his testimony....

Acts 7:54 When the members of the Sanhedrin heard this, they were furious and gnashed their teeth at him. 55 But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56 “Look,” he said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.”

57 At this they covered their ears and, yelling at the top of their voices, they all rushed at him, 58 dragged him out of the city and began to stone him. Meanwhile, the witnesses laid their coats at the feet of a young man named Saul.

59 While they were stoning him, Stephen prayed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” 60 Then he fell on his knees and cried out, “Lord, do not hold this sin against them.” When he had said this, he fell asleep.

Remembering and knowing that God is with us also makes us more than conquerors! See how Stephen was so forgiving of his persecutors/murderers (a reflection of Jesus on the Cross forgiving his own persecuters/murderers).


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TheDivineWatermark

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oyster67 said:
[...]You will soon be pleasantly surprised, and I am happy about that.
That Pre-Trib false teaching of God leaving behind Post-Tribbers has major flaws in that.
Pre-Tribbers say that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit and will be taken out of the way. Since the Holy Spirit dwells within all believers and He is taken away, that means the Lord's believers will be Raptured.
So that would mean even the Post-Tribbers will be taken up too because we have the Holy Spirit as well!
It appears that you've misunderstood oyster67's words.

It was not his point to say that "post-tribbers will be left behind."

Read his post again, to see what he actually said instead of what you've taken him to mean. = )

[/QUOTE]So you see? That "left behind" false teaching is incredibly STUPID. I always get a big laugh out of that every time someone posts it![/QUOTE]

Consider that perhaps you've also misunderstood the "pre-trib" perspective... where you've stated:

Pre-Tribbers say that the Restrainer is the Holy Spirit and will be taken out of the way. Since the Holy Spirit dwells within all believers and He is taken away, that means [...]
The Holy Spirit is omnipresent.

Remember when the words Jesus had said were clarified in John 7:39 (about the Holy Spirit), "(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given [italicized words added by translator]; because that Jesus was not yet glorified") certainly did not mean that before that point in time (specified in this verse) the Holy Spirit did not exist or was completely absent from the earth's sphere.

Likewise, after His "restraining role" is finished (via His permanent indwelling in 'the Church which is His body'), it's not that His presence on the earth will then be completely absent... No... it's just that His role will have changed (from "restraining at present" to "[until] out of the midst he become, [AND THEN...]" 2Th2:7b,8a)
 

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EDIT to correct my post:

This part was flubbed up due to improper quote end-caps:

So you see? That "left behind" false teaching is incredibly STUPID. I always get a big laugh out of that every time someone posts it!
I don't see how the "pre-trib" viewpoint is "incredibly STUPID."

I see how it is oft misunderstood, however. = )
 

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The best thing to do is not worry about it for it will do no good because it is going to happen.

The Holy Spirit will comfort you in these times, and God can also take away the pain.

Jesus said do not worry about what they can do to the body but can do no more, but fear God for it will be worse if you go against Him.

So take the lesser of the 2 punishments for the world will not hand it to you as worse if you disobey God.

Also love is not perfect in fear for fear has torment, but love casts out fear.

Also the Bible says they are beheaded for the witness of Christ which they want the saints off the earth as quick as possible and do not want to play around.

It could be that God is not going to allow the saints to be tortured but a quick death like when God put a restriction on Satan when he afflicted Job that he could not take his life.

Also before Jesus' time came to give His human body they could not lay hands on Him, and he would always escape from out of their sight, so God can cause you to just somehow escape them.

Jesus said when the antichrist steps in the new temple of the Hebrews and claims to be God to run, and hope nothing slows you down like winter, or having children, and do not even worry about wasting time to go get something but run.

The saints will not have a microchip in them so they cannot track them by that method, but the satellite can still see what is happening on the earth so it will be hard to escape.

One thing to know is the Bible says whoever uses the sword shall perish with the sword, and whoever leads someone captive will go in to captivity, and this is the patience, and faith, of the saints, which seems to mean do not fight back for the world will fight physically for their beliefs, and the saints have to be different than the world.

If you fight back then you are acting like the world which is not right.

The truth is one saint in a glorified body could take on the entire world and defeat them for people in the flesh are no match for the saints in a glorified body.

And when the saints have a glorified body an angel would not want to get in to a fight with them for they would get whipped.

The angels are ministering spirits to all who shall inherit salvation, and the Bible says the angels desire to look in to the salvation of the saints, for they will have a higher position in heaven than the angels.

God loves the angels but everything was made for the man Christ Jesus, and the saints.

If I go through the tribulation, and they catch me, I will say to them, I'll be back, and when Jesus comes back with all the saints, I will say how do you like me now, lol.

This is more than a persecution by people that are warring with people they do not like, but Satan as the New Age Christ is behind this persecution, and the people persecuting have been deceived by a devil so they have the nature of a devil, and the human will of choice is no more.

The new age movement opened the door for Lucifer to be able to rule the world, and that is because the nations governments came together to work for peace, and supporting the New Age Christ.

As long as one nation allows the truth to be preached God would not end sin on earth, but they stopped the Gospel from being preached, and the belief of a personal God on a world wide scale.

The antichrist is more than against Christianity, but against all religions that believe in a personal God.

Just like to bring up why did Lucifer rebel against God when He is an omnipresent Spirit, and all powerful.

It could be that Lucifer did not know how great God is for He did not reveal that information to the angels.

Angels cannot see God unless He shows them a visible image, so He could of had an angelic body to have a visible relationship with the angels, and Lucifer thought is that all there is to God which he thought he could of taken over worship of heaven, and exalt himself.

But now the devils know how great God is which they told Jesus will you punish us before the time, and the devils believe in one God, and they tremble, and when the devils are cast to earth the devil is mad because he knows he has but a short time.

Our salvation is about faith so we get the privilege to know how great is which gives us an advantage to want to be right with God.

And also why can't a fallen angel repent and be saved.

Because they are only one being with no other components to them so when they sinned they tainted their whole being with nowhere to put off the sin.

A person is flesh, and soul, and all sin resides in the flesh, so they can off the flesh with the sin, and the soul is saved and not tainted with sin.

God is love, and He loves all people, and will not give up on the world until the world gives up on Him.

Which after the 6th trumpet the world will still not repent of their sins, and turn to God, and that is when the devils are cast to earth, and Satan appears as the New Age Christ, and the devils deceive all people who do not love Him to follow the New Age Christ, which is the strong delusion He will give all people who do not love the truth, and when they take the mark of the beast then the world cannot receive salvation anymore, and the fulness of the Gentiles have come in.

God has to allow them to persecute the truth before He will end sin on earth, but if the saints are not on earth for them to persecute then they did not go against the truth.

The saints are representing the truth but if they are not on earth then how did they go against the truth if it is not there.

Also the people that follow the New Age Christ are intentionally following Lucifer, and shall receive the nature of a devil, so they will be as terrible as the devils.

Even when the wrath of God goes upon them they blaspheme against Him instead of saying sorry for they know how they feel, and know they cannot be right with Him.

The devils know they can never be right with God for they know how they feel, cold, empty, terrible, without love.

Nice post! I agree with a lot of what you mentioned!


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Only a small portion of Christ’s body will go through the great tribulation? This is your conclusion? The majority of the body has died and is present with the Lord.
Since the Lord won't collect all of us until after the Tribulation, at the beginning of it, we'll all be there.
It seems to me you've misunderstood John146 (members') question and point.

He is pointing out the fact that "the Church which is His body," having existed on the earth since the first century (Eph1:20-23 "WHEN [as to its existence]") has the MAJORITY OF ITS MEMBERS having already "fallen asleep through Jesus" (the DEAD IN Christ--IOW, they've died and are "present / at home with the Lord" [until "resurrection" of their body])...

So, his point being, why is the MAJORITY of "the Church which is His Body" LEFT OUT OF experiencing "the Great Tribulation" (as you term it... per your view)?

Why only a relative few of its members must be the ones to experience it??

Have you a cogent response to this?

Your earlier response seems to have missed the point.
 

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It seems to me you've misunderstood John146 (members') question and point.

He is pointing out the fact that the Church which is His body, having existed on the earth since the first century (Eph1:20-23 "WHEN [as to its existence]") has the MAJORITY OF ITS MEMBERS having already "fallen asleep through Jesus" (the DEAD IN Christ--IOW, they've died and are "present / at home with the Lord" [until "resurrection" of their body])...

So, his point being, why is the MAJORITY of the Church which is His Body LEFT OUT OF experiencing "the Great Tribulation" (as you term it)?

Why only a relative few of its members must be the ones to experience it??

Have you a cogent response to this?

Your earlier response seems to have missed the point.

You might as well wonder why the first Christians experienced severe persecution but the same persecution has not been perpetuated toward the rest of us throughout Christian history.

How come only some Christians are getting killed off now in certain parts of the world, but not in ALL the other places on the planet? (It eventually will though for a short period of time.)


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Matt 24v45-25v13...
 

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It seems to me you've misunderstood John146 (members') question and point.

He is pointing out the fact that "the Church which is His body," having existed on the earth since the first century (Eph1:20-23 "WHEN [as to its existence]") has the MAJORITY OF ITS MEMBERS having already "fallen asleep through Jesus" (the DEAD IN Christ--IOW, they've died and are "present / at home with the Lord" [until "resurrection" of their body])...

So, his point being, why is the MAJORITY of "the Church which is His Body" LEFT OUT OF experiencing "the Great Tribulation" (as you term it... per your view)?

Why only a relative few of its members must be the ones to experience it??

Have you a cogent response to this?

Your earlier response seems to have missed the point.

Addendum: It just seems you expect that all Christians should experience the same thing in every generation. Why would you think that when the Bible doesn't reflect that?


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TheDivineWatermark

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^ @2ndTimeIsTheCharm 's question in Post #97,

Revelation 1:1 [/ 4:1 / 1:19c] speaks of the "IN QUICKNESS [NOUN]" time period that is the "FUTURE" aspects of the book, within which the "Seals / Trumpets / Vials" will take place (i.e. the last "7 years / 2520 days" immediately preceding and leading up to Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19), commonly termed "the Tribulation Period" that is under present discussion...

...what does that have to do with the "persecutionS and tribulationS" that "the Church which is His body" has experienced (to varying degrees) throughout its existence on the earth since the first century (Eph1:20-23)? We aren't discussing that here in this thread's Subject.





The original question by John146 has to do with "the Church which is His body" (and why only a SMALL PORTION of "HIS BODY" must experience "the Great Tribulation" per your viewpoint--as though THAT is its [the Trib's] PURPOSE--it isn't, btw...)