When are we saved ?
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I don’t believe that God looks down the corridors of time nor any of the other absurdities you are trying to put on my account.
So it was his work, the abuse of Children , Sex trafficking, rapes , murdering, the holocaust, ect ? Really ?
What is this perversity you are typing? Those are not God’s works. What God makes is very good. Always.
What’s with you and limiting God?
Yes and what he ' made good and certain ' was that all those that would become in Christ would be holy and blameless. And in love He predestined them to the Adoption. This was chosen before the foundation of the world . The blessings in christ Jesus. Only by becoming in an eternal being ( Jesus) is it made possible to be chosen in him .
Are you a determinist ? A God less than sovereign would have to control all the free choices of human beings .
Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so. A w Tozer
There is nothing that will happen that isn't already known by God. Everything molecular, every single molecule has a designated time, and space for it's purpose.
If it were any other way you open the door for chance. Where there is possibility for chance, you can not have perfect order, which gives chaos opportunity.
In a system where you have both molecular and non-molecular creations affecting each other, i see absolutely no other way of sustaining itself as a prospering creation than to have a certain time, space and purpose for everything.
Now we get to throw the glory of God on the cake to make it just how he wants it, and I highly doubt the good Lord is going to roll the dice and take a chance with his glory, and that includes leaving any part of his will to the decision of an imperfect, finite, sinful being.
That's how I see it.
If it were any other way you open the door for chance. Where there is possibility for chance, you can not have perfect order, which gives chaos opportunity.
In a system where you have both molecular and non-molecular creations affecting each other, i see absolutely no other way of sustaining itself as a prospering creation than to have a certain time, space and purpose for everything.
Now we get to throw the glory of God on the cake to make it just how he wants it, and I highly doubt the good Lord is going to roll the dice and take a chance with his glory, and that includes leaving any part of his will to the decision of an imperfect, finite, sinful being.
That's how I see it.
I am speaking of the way you limit His attributes, not His Will
God can do as He pleases. He doesn’t need our stamp of approval.
And you’re back on philosophy again.
The bible says He chose US!!!before the foundation.
Man’s will is free because God is sovereign. A God less than sovereign could not bestow moral freedom upon His creatures. He would be afraid to do so.
Yes he didn't choose just ISRAEL . or plants or beings from Mars. All along it was for those who would be in him . ITS ABOUT JESUS !!!!!!! NOT YOU . Me , me ,me ,me centered theology .
Who is denying God’s absolute Soveriegnty?!!!
Actually it’s all about HIM!!! You were created to bring HIM glory. And He will be glorified whether we glorify Him or not.
We will either be vessels of mercy or vessels of wrath. But either way, He will be Glorious.
11¶Wherefore REMEMBER !!!!! that YE !!!! being in time past GENTILES!!!! the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12That at that time ye were WITHOUT !!!!!! Christ, being ALIENS from the commonwealth of Israel, and STRANGERS !!!!!!! from the covenants of promise, having NO HOPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! , AND !!!!!!!!!!!!! WITHOUT GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!
in the world:
STRANGERS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DOES THIS SOUND LIKE GOD LOVED YOU AND KNEW YOU BEFORE YOU EXISTED IN ETERNITY PAST ????
ISRAEL .is God's first born son not you . God foreknew ISRAEL .
GOD ONLY KNOWS US AS SONS AFTER WE BELIEVE . IN ......HIM !!!!!!
let go of the gnosctism and it will make sense .
You already said God knew we would believe. You have the same verses to answer.
These verses are true even though God knew we would believe.
Wow !! you are mixed up . So now we're back to Calvinsm. God is glorified by sending people to hell ?