We know perfectly well what people are eluding to when they use a verse about Jerimiah and apply it to themselves. What happened to Jeremiah happened to jeremiah. Let's work this out with what the bible says about you and I.
When are we saved ?
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You may be confused by Omniscient and foreknowimg . Only Israel is said to be foreknown. As for ' knowing ' us before we existed , well now we're needing verses that God says he knew ' us ' before we existed . And what are we saying about this ' knowing ' . What of it ? What does it do ?
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Oh absolutely but what of that belief.....read my post I never said salvation is not a gift.
Dude. I'd be real careful of limiting God, and putting Him in a box.
It's utterly ridiculous to think God doesn't know ALL. ALL that happens, ALL we do, say and think. ALL.
Isaiah 46:10
King James Version
10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
God inhabits eternity. He is not only OUTSIDE the time domain, He invented it!
Yes I've already said God is Omniscient. What does that have to do with ' when are we saved ' ?
OMG. Trying to have a convo with you is a tiring chore.
Re-read the past 4 or 5 posts I made to see why we're here.
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Like I said, he can’t see, except through his own biased lens. Frustrating!
God's sacrifice is an eternal sacrifice, since time beginning till the end of time.
Animal sacrifice sin offerings could never in themselves forgive sin before a righteous God. It is not payment in full - like for like.
The act of sacrificing the animal is/was/will be bringing us to remembrance of how Yeshua ha'Mashiach's / Jesus the Messiah's death and resurrection, since time beginning until eternity that never ends, is, was, and will be paying for all of the sins of the children of a righteous God - his covenant people.
The act of sacrificing the animal was pointing forward to Yeshua ha'Mashiach's / Jesus the Messiah's offering before his death and resurrection, and is, and will be pointing backward to Yeshua ha'Mashiach's / Jesus the Messiah's offering following his death and resurrection.
I understand that . But today we are not saved by anything other than believing the gospel. The Gospel that involves what happened not before the cross .
You have been on CC for a little over 2 months and have 2774 posts.
A ridiculous 40 posts a day. Are you sure you're not just looking for att?
But who's faith is referenced in Eph 2:8? It is by the faith of Jesus Christ, Gal 2:16. The natural man's faith is in mankind, and his accomplishments. Spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit, and comes with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit in regeneration.
Keeping things in context; Paul is addressing the saints which are at Ephesus, and the faithful in Christ Jesus. The "we", "ye", "us", "our" in Eph 1 are to those he is addressing. Verse 13 is stating that, those who are being addressed, having already received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise of their eternal inheritance, which is the earnest of their inheritance. Eph 1 is not referencing the natural man.
Believing the gospel is only accomplished by those that have been spiritually regenerated, and are able to discern the things of the Spirit, in which the natural man cannot do. Believing the gospel is not the cause of being delivered (saved) eternally, but is the product of already having been delivered eternally. Believing does not deliver(save) us eternally, but it does deliver(sace) us as we sojourn here in this world. Save in Greek= deliver.
Jacob's name was changed by God to be called no more Jacob, but to be called Israel. Jacob/Israel represents all of God's elect.
When? The moment we believe. Acts 16:30–34
when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, “what must I do to be saved?”, Paul and Silas said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household.”
when the Philippian jailer asked Paul and Silas, “what must I do to be saved?”, Paul and Silas said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household.”
We are saved when we believe the Gospel. The TRUE Gospel. For we must worship God in Spirit and in TRUTH. The Holy Spirit will reveal the truth to you beyond the shadow of doubt. You will KNOW the TRUE GOSPEL, and when you do, you will KNOW when you were saved without question.
When you know the truth, the truth will make you free. Free of confusion or doubt, free to love God and desire good works for his glory. Out of pure love free of legalism. Out of love because of what he did for you because he first loved you.
What is the truth that promotes true saving faith?
Anyone?
When you know the truth, the truth will make you free. Free of confusion or doubt, free to love God and desire good works for his glory. Out of pure love free of legalism. Out of love because of what he did for you because he first loved you.
What is the truth that promotes true saving faith?
Anyone?