When are we saved ?
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All who believe in the things of the Spirit constitute the invisible church. Those who have been revealed, by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the full knowledge of the righteousness of God, is the visible church.
Ezekiel 10 makes reference to the invisible and visible church by using the example of a smaller wheel being inside of a larger wheel. The outer wheel being the invisible church and the smaller wheel being the visible church. The two gates in Matt 7 will harmonize with these truths.
Ezekiel 10 makes reference to the invisible and visible church by using the example of a smaller wheel being inside of a larger wheel. The outer wheel being the invisible church and the smaller wheel being the visible church. The two gates in Matt 7 will harmonize with these truths.
Your mixed up thinking is due to your lack of knowledge of the salvation scriptures. Salvation, saved, save, in Greek= deliverance, delivered, deliver.
The atonement for all of those that God gave to his Son delivered them eternally. Although they are delivered eternally does not mean that they got rid of their fleshly nature, and still do commit sins. Once you have been regenerated and commit a sin, you lose your fellowship with God, not your eternal deliverance, until you repent, and regain your fellowship with God. There is a deliverance (salvation) that we receive the moment that God forgives us of that particular sin.
The atonement for all of those that God gave to his Son delivered them eternally. Although they are delivered eternally does not mean that they got rid of their fleshly nature, and still do commit sins. Once you have been regenerated and commit a sin, you lose your fellowship with God, not your eternal deliverance, until you repent, and regain your fellowship with God. There is a deliverance (salvation) that we receive the moment that God forgives us of that particular sin.
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I believe this to be for me.
Why do men search for a formula a method of such one must be saved and when.
Salvation is a gift from God. A free gift do we not agree? Therefore I believe it is his choosing when he shall give it.
The thief on the cross another prime example, the conversion of paul explain that.
There is nothing that we can do to merit such a gift. It's God's choosing.
Does a farmer pick a certain day in which to harvest or does he wait untill the harvest is ready to be picked?
Jesus often said he who has a ear let him listen. Jesus is salvation. He also said it is the father's great joy to give you the gift.
Am I talking about predestination....no I'm talking about the free will of God.
It is the matter of the heart of each and everyone that is only known to the Lord.
Some are called to sew.....some to water......this is tending the garden the Lord has planted.
According to scripture all men were created in his image. All have sinned. All are in need of a savior.
The belief is jesus is not a head knowledge but a life changing event.
Jesus said if you believe in me and keep my commandments you shall be saved.
He is willing and able to save from the uttermost.
Men can speak the words and go through the motions.....some fall away.
To be continued.
Why do men search for a formula a method of such one must be saved and when.
Salvation is a gift from God. A free gift do we not agree? Therefore I believe it is his choosing when he shall give it.
The thief on the cross another prime example, the conversion of paul explain that.
There is nothing that we can do to merit such a gift. It's God's choosing.
Does a farmer pick a certain day in which to harvest or does he wait untill the harvest is ready to be picked?
Jesus often said he who has a ear let him listen. Jesus is salvation. He also said it is the father's great joy to give you the gift.
Am I talking about predestination....no I'm talking about the free will of God.
It is the matter of the heart of each and everyone that is only known to the Lord.
Some are called to sew.....some to water......this is tending the garden the Lord has planted.
According to scripture all men were created in his image. All have sinned. All are in need of a savior.
The belief is jesus is not a head knowledge but a life changing event.
Jesus said if you believe in me and keep my commandments you shall be saved.
He is willing and able to save from the uttermost.
Men can speak the words and go through the motions.....some fall away.
To be continued.
When are we saved? Since the beginning of time, if you are one of those that say and live this life:
Luke 18 (KJV)
13 God be merciful to me a sinner.
Deuteronomy 5 (KJV)
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Luke 18 (KJV)
13 God be merciful to me a sinner.
Deuteronomy 5 (KJV)
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
Example? Scripture says of firstly of trusting after hearing the word of truth. By denying that first, we deny the scripture about his way of saving. Eph. 1:12-13. Now these passages are either believe or not. The circular response is "the natural man" cannot understand about the things of the Spirit of God.". However, in its unsaved estate, may caused to have salvation after hearing God's word by faith. Well, this has been trodden so many times here in this forum and on the many threads. I believe, a better harmonization of the scripture if we do it by context.