Was lucifer an archangel before he fell in the Bible?

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Thank you for that.. SonJudgment


WOW, I love the wonder of a true fellowship in Spirit.

Nebuchadnezzar created cities that are later cast down from heaven.

The real shocker is that all of this is a Spiritual parable. The intention to showcase the Living power of the Word of God in the OT - Jesus.

Case in point, You must DISCERN Jesus in the OT to fully discern the OT becoming fulfilled in the NT.

Well consider Isaiah has a claim to being one of the greatest prophets of all time both for his role and prophecies in the OT as well as easily being the most cited OT prophet in the NT canon, and it is obvious why as besides his extremely prescient views of politics of his time or the forces of the Enemy, really his claim to immortal fame and power of prophecy is all his wonderful prophecies about the Messiah which of course Lord Jesus most certainly fulfills then in the NT often explicitly cited by the apostles at that, praise Jesus.
 
I've heard it said that "Lucifer" is a title and/or description rather than a name. Lucifer means "light-bearer" or "light-bringer".

In any case, I do believe that he became Satan when he fell.

I've even heard it said (and read it) that he always has had the name "Satan" since his creation, but I don't know if that's true or not.
 
Well consider Isaiah has a claim to being one of the greatest prophets of all time both for his role and prophecies in the OT as well as easily being the most cited OT prophet in the NT canon, and it is obvious why as besides his extremely prescient views of politics of his time or the forces of the Enemy, really his claim to immortal fame and power of prophecy is all his wonderful prophecies about the Messiah which of course Lord Jesus most certainly fulfills then in the NT often explicitly cited by the apostles at that, praise Jesus.


I agree in Spirit.
 
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I've heard it said that "Lucifer" is a title and/or description rather than a name. Lucifer means "light-bearer" or "light-bringer".

In any case, I do believe that he became Satan when he fell.

I've even heard it said (and read it) that he always has had the name "Satan" since his creation, but I don't know if that's true or not.

I read it in the Word of God study, the Latin word of 'lucifer' is not even a noun.

In the American Heritage College Dictionary is the following order:
  • Lucifer. 1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan. < OE, morning star, Lucifer < Latin Lucifer < lucifer, light-bringer: lux, luc-, light" (page 821).

  • luciferase n. An enzyme that catalyzes the oxidation of luciferin." Hmmmmm. What have we here? "Lucifer + in."

  • luciferin n. A chemical substance present in the cells of bioluminescent organisms, such as fireflies that produce a bluish-green light when oxidized. [Latin Lucifer, light-bringing; see LUCIFER + -IN.]" (page. 821).
The last entry 'luciferin' is the kicker because it reverts back to Lucifer.

Meaning 'lucifer' is the cells of bioluminescent organisms, such as fireflies that produce a bluish-green light when oxidized.

About satan's fall, implies satan was once good and stood in the Truth, However this is what Jesus stated :

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

and it's witness....

1 John 3:8
The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.

'satan' means the adversary. And has been around sine Genesis.


Food for thought.
 
Was lucifer an archangel before he fell in the Bible?

There is not one scripture that testifies; satan is associated to the Latin name 'lucifer'.

It is a deadly myth that persist ONLY in ignorance.

(a) The written word of God is translated originally into ancient Hebrew language and ancient Greek language.

The word ‘lucifer’ is rooted and comes from Latin.

This Latin word ‘lucifer’ is inserted into the translation, by the translators for their own agendas and reasonings of carnal thought.

(let that sink in for some time)

. . .

(b) There is this peculiar thing called TRUTH. ALL archangels and angel of God have the Spirit of Truth within.

Jesus having no sin, is the Spirit Truth.

This is what Jesus stated :

1 John 8:44
For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

witness…

1 John 3:8
The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.

>>>>With simple common reasoning, you would conclude that satan NEVER was an archangel. Reason being, satan would have had some “truth” and not been “a murderer from the beginning” and lier from the beginning of his existence.

Those who are yet still carnal, never stop and realize, that Jesus NEVER ONCE calls satan, ‘lucifer’ , nor ever addresses satan as ‘lucifer’.

Jesus Fulfills the Old testament with the New covenant, ‘lucife’r is not fulfilled any where in the New Testament.

Those who keep claiming satan was an arch-angel named ‘lucifer’, well this is their path :

Acts 13:10
and said, "O child of the devil and enemy of all righteousness! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the straight ways of the Lord?

1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

>>>> what religions of carnal man teaches - vs - Jesus , the living Word of God.

Choose !!!
I think I need a few basic clarifications from you.

Do you believe Jesus is a created Angel?

Do you believe Jesus is God?

Thanks
 
Was lucifer an archangel before he fell in the Bible?

There is not one scripture that testifies; satan is associated to the Latin name 'lucifer'.

It is a deadly myth that persist ONLY in ignorance.

(a) The written word of God is translated originally into ancient Hebrew language and ancient Greek language.

The word ‘lucifer’ is rooted and comes from Latin.

This Latin word ‘lucifer’ is inserted into the translation, by the translators for their own agendas and reasonings of carnal thought.

(let that sink in for some time)

. . .

(b) There is this peculiar thing called TRUTH. ALL archangels and angel of God have the Spirit of Truth within.

Jesus having no sin, is the Spirit Truth.

This is what Jesus stated :

1 John 8:44
For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

witness…

1 John 3:8
The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.

>>>>With simple common reasoning, you would conclude that satan NEVER was an archangel. Reason being, satan would have had some “truth” and not been “a murderer from the beginning” and lier from the beginning of his existence.

Those who are yet still carnal, never stop and realize, that Jesus NEVER ONCE calls satan, ‘lucifer’ , nor ever addresses satan as ‘lucifer’.

Jesus Fulfills the Old testament with the New covenant, ‘lucife’r is not fulfilled any where in the New Testament.

Those who keep claiming satan was an arch-angel named ‘lucifer’, well this is their path :

Acts 13:10
and said, "O child of the devil and enemy of all righteousness! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the straight ways of the Lord?

1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

>>>> what religions of carnal man teaches - vs - Jesus , the living Word of God.

Choose !!!

Let me begin here. Right now, there are four Cherubs around God's throne.

Revelation 4:6 "And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. 7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle. 8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come." (Also read Ezekiel 1 & 10)

There used to be five Cherubs, and the fifth Cherub was Satan. Remember that Satan is not an angel, rather a Cherub. Satan can transform himself into an angel of light, but he is not a fallen angel. (2 Cor. 11:14)

Ezekiel 28:14 "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire."

Note: Cherubs have four faces: man, ox, eagle and lion. They have four to six wings and have animal-like legs with hoofed feet. All four are in the third heaven and are always around God's throne. They are a direct creation of God. Cherubs and angels are not the same. Remember that angels always appear as men with no wings.

Satan's original name was Lucifer, which means "light bearer". His job while Cherub was above the throne of God reflecting light and glory of God. He was also in charge of music and adorned with precious stones.

Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

Ezekiel 28:13 "Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created."


He is the fifth cherub that is missing from Ezekiel 1:5. Keep in mind that the number five is connected with death (Gen. 5:5, Acts 5:5, Heb. 2:14, 2 Sam. 2:23, 3:27). He represents the reptilian and amphibian/aquatic animals before God's throne (Ezek. 28:14, Rev. 4:6-7). The cherubs are called beasts in Rev. 4:6, which explains why Satan and the Antichrist are called beasts (Gen. 3:1). The other cherubs that did not fall and are still in heaven with God represent domestic animals (calf,ox), wild animals (lion), flying animals (eagle) and man. These represent the four major creations of animal life.

While his job in heaven was to reflect the glory of God, his pride got the best of him and he began to desire the praise that God was receiving. He wanted to be like God and wanted to replace God. His pride was why he was cast out of heaven from his original position. Today, he is known as the accuser of the brethren.

Ezekiel 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."

Isaiah 14:13 "For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."
 
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Let me begin here. Right now, there are four Cherubs around God's throne.
There used to be five Cherubs, and the fifth Cherub was Satan.


>>>> There is no Holy scriptures that proclaims this opinion of yours.

Satan's original name was Lucifer, which means "light bearer". His job while Cherub was above the throne of God reflecting light and glory of God. He was also in charge of music and adorned with precious stones.

>>>> again you have no Holy scriptures that proclaims this opinion of yours.


Isaiah 14:12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

>>>> I already covered this

If as you falsely proclaim 'satan' is lucifer" , YOU have NO Holy Scriptual proof in explaining why 'Lucifer DIES and eaten by worms !?!?!?!?

Not one has dared remotely try to explain why 'lucifer' dies and eaten by worms....

You will also choose to ignore this inquiry of why 'lucifer' dies and eaten by worms in a grave ?!?!

When it is so simple to answer -Because it is about a manlfleh - the King of Babylon who thought himself a divine lamp of God and at his height of self-holiness, is brought down to his grave to result in nothing but worm food....

I witness that You should heed this warning.

Isaiah 14:11
11All your pomp has been brought down to the grave,
along with the noise of your harps;
maggots are spread out beneath you
and worms cover you.


12How you have fallen from heaven,
morning star, son of the dawn!
You have been cast down to the earth,
you who once laid low the nations!
.......
15But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
to the depths of the pit.


The cherubs are called beasts in Rev. 4:6, which explains why Satan and the Antichrist are called beasts (Gen. 3:1).

O...M...G... I would hold my tongue before this fantasy gets deeper....

Here is Revelation 4:6 :

Revelation 4:6
Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. In the center, around the throne, were four living creatures, and they were covered with eyes, in front and in back.

living creatures ζῷα (zōa) Strong's 2226. zóon

1. a live thing, i.e. an animal

2226 zṓon (from 2198 /záō, "living") – a living creature (literally, "something alive"). 2226 /zṓon ("living creature") is often mistranslated "beast" (rather than "living being" or "living creature").

>>>> What good are these Truths ?!? as you most certainly will continue to hold on to your worldly beliefs.

While his job in heaven was to reflect the glory of God, his pride got the best of him and he began to desire the praise that God was receiving. He wanted to be like God and wanted to replace God. His pride was why he was cast out of heaven from his original position.

>>> Not sorry, BUTTTTT, I have to go with what Jesus taught in Spirit :

John 8:42
42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44Ye are of your father the devil[satan], and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer FROM THE BEGINNING,

and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.

>>>> how can anyone come to believe the LIE that 'satan' was some false heavenly guardian in God's TRUTHful/Righteous Throne, when Jesus STATES "He 'satan' was a murderer from the BEGINNIING, and abode[lives, dwells] not in the truth, because THERE IS NO TRUTH in him[satan].

>>>> I BELIEVE Jesus would not have forgotten 'satan's' tenure as a Heavenly guardian of God's TRUTHful/Righteous Throne.

>>>> However since there is no mention of this in scripture, I have to '86' your false claim.

*** continuing....

When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
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Ezekiel 28:17 "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee."

>>>> Ezekiel 28:17 discusses the king of Tyre and not about 'lucifer', who was filled with pride over his wealth and beauty, leading to his downfall.

Let's read the last part of Ezekiel 28, that many falsely claim is about the fall of 'satan'.

let's try this with your false claim about 'satan', shall we... :

Ezekiel 28:11
11Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 12“Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“You[satan] were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13You[satan] were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your[satan] covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your[satan] timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you[satan] on the day you[satan] were created.

14“You[satan] were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you[satan] ;
You[satan] were on the holy mountain of God;
You[satan] walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15You[satan] were perfect in your[satan] ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you[satan] .


16“By the abundance of your[satan] trading
You[satan] became filled with violence within,
And you[satan] sinned;
Therefore I cast you[satan] as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you[satan] , O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.

17“Your[satan] heart was lifted up because of your[satan] beauty;
You[satan] corrupted your[satan] wisdom for the sake of your[satan] splendor;
I cast you[satan] to the ground,
I laid you[satan] before kings,
That they might gaze at you.

18“You[satan] defiled your[satan] sanctuaries
By the multitude of your[satan] iniquities,
By the iniquity of your[satan] trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your[satan] midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you[satan] to ashes upon the earth

In the sight of all who saw you[satan] .
19All who knew you[satan] among the peoples are astonished at you[satan] ;
You[satan] have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever.” ’ ”

IN your false claim, any reader can clearly see :

(a)on the day?Light you[satan] were created.

You[satan] were perfect in your[satan] ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you[satan] .


>>>> This is not about satan , God in the book of Job states :
Job 26:13
By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the crooked serpent.

>>>> Being formed crooked ia far fro being created perfect.
Now please explain with scriptures, your way out of this carnal tangled web, you have created and believe in... with uot no doubt.

And I destroyed you[satan] ,

I cast you[satan] to the ground,

Therefore I brought fire from your[satan] midst; It devoured you,

And I
Therefore I brought fire from your[satan] midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you[satan] to ashes upon the earth


>>>> satan is destoryed, satan is cast into a grave, satan is devoured by fire, And I turned satan to ASHES upon the earth" satan is turned into ashes.

One of the false claims you will grasp at, - 'this is prophecy of future events', when there is no mention of Revelation, this is after all OT, Jesus hasn't been born of flesh yet, and this is God dealing with the Hewbrews not the gentiles.[/QUOTE]
 
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From a friend:

Why I believe this also refers to Satan, the power behind the king of Babylon:

1. There are angelic beings (both good and bad) which seem to be connected with earthly, political persons.

a. In Daniel 10, Daniel meets the angel Gabriel, who describes having been in a war with the "prince of the kingdom of Persia", apparently a title of a demonic spirit which was in charge of the kingdom of Persia, perhaps even in charge of the king of Persia.

b. We have another passage similar to the one here in Isaiah, in Eze. 28:12-20, where a word is given to the "king of Tyre". At first he seems to be talking to a human, but there comes a point where suddenly things sound different. This "king" is described as having been in the garden of Eden (Eze. 28:13), and being the "anointed cherub that covers" which is a term describing an angel (Eze. 28:14). Again, the idea is that at a particular point, the prophecy turns and addresses the angel behind the person.

2. There are just too many telltale signs that this is Satan:

a. vs.12 - "Fallen from heaven" supposes that the person was in heaven. Satan is in heaven accusing us. (Job 1:6; Rev. 12:10)

b. vs.12 - Satan can be an "angel of light":
(2 Cor 11:13-15 KJV) For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. {14} And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. {15} Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

c. vs.12 Satan loves to imitate Jesus and deceive people. Jesus is the "morning star" (Rev. 22:16; Mat. 24:5; Rev. 13:2).

d. vs.12 - Jesus referred to seeing Satan falling from heaven (Luke 10:18), and one day Satan will be cast out of heaven (Rev. 12:10).

e. vs.14 - Satan wants to take God's place in having everyone worship him. He even tried getting Jesus to worship him (Mat. 4:8-10).

f. vs.15 - Satan will one day be thrown into a bottomless pit (Rev. 20:2) and then later thrown forever into the Lake of Fire (Rev. 20:10).

:13 I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
stars of God, a term used to describe angels (Job 38:7)

:13 upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north
mount of the congregation refers to Mount Zion, the place where God had His temple built, the place where He would meet with His people.

the sides of the north, the side of the mountain that the temple was on.
The Antichrist, who will be empowered by Satan (Rev. 13:2), will one day set up his throne in the temple and demand to be worshipped as God (2Th. 2:4).

:14 I will be like the most High (end of notes from Rich Cathers)

Stick with the King James Bible. It will never fail you.
 
a. vs.12 - "Fallen from heaven" supposes that the person was in heaven. Satan is in heaven accusing us. (Job 1:6; Rev. 12:10)

I have only one question :

MANKIND's FALL from Heavens, does this also make all mankind satanic, we are talking about 'mankind' who is made in the image of God.

Truly 'satan' is not the only being to fall from heavens, there is scriptural evidence of others who fell including entire cities, why are they not called 'lucifers'.
 
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a. vs.12 - "Fallen from heaven" supposes that the person was in heaven. Satan is in heaven accusing us. (Job 1:6; Rev. 12:10)

I have only one question :

MANKIND's FALL from Heavens, does this also make all mankind satanic, we are talking about 'mankind' who is made in the image of God.

Truly 'satan' is not the only being to fall from heavens, there is scriptural evidence of others who fell including entire cities, why are they not called 'lucifers'.

Lucifer or morning star as it is also rendered in some translations indicates actually a honorofic title to the king of Babylon in the prophecy of Isaiah 14. It is used elsewhere in the Bible or in the latin stella dialis, day star, or other variants to a wide variety of people including Jesus. The epithet of the morning star indicates brightness like the physical morning star that is still visible in the night sky, the planet Venus. In ancient literature it is not uncommon across a wide variety of cultures at that to liken someone to the morning star because they are wise or seen as illuminated or bright. While yes it appears the prophet mocks the king of Babylon as he is told by God to take up a proverb against him, he also gives him this epithet indicating the king of Babylon is not just like a merely stupid man or a plain type of evil, but paints a picture of a bright man, a brilliant man that falls from grace and power. This is further supporting proof that Nebuchadnezzar is the best candidate for fulfilling this prophecy since he also is a controversial figure later in the Bible, on one hand he is lifted up by God and a very brilliant leader and commander, but his pride and his ego lifting him up too high in his heart and causes him to fall into sin and then insanity and the eventual collapse of his kingdom is a very fitting parallel to the descriptions of the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14.
 
Is it not a wonder how many carnal minded people who preach this nonsense of 'satan' being 'lucifer' , just ignorantly disregard what God commands :

Isaiah 14:4
4that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say:

“How the oppressor has ceased,
The golden city ceased!
5The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked,
The scepter of the rulers;
6He who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke,
He who ruled the nations in anger,
Is persecuted and no one hinders.
7The whole earth is at rest and quiet;
They break forth into singing.
8Indeed the cypress trees rejoice over you,
And the cedars of Lebanon,
Saying, ‘Since you were cut down,
No woodsman has come up against us.’

9“Hell from beneath is excited about you,
To meet you at your coming;
It stirs up the dead for you,
All the chief ones of the earth;
It has raised up from their thrones
All the kings of the nations.
10They all shall speak and say to you:
‘Have you also become as weak as we?
Have you become like us?
11Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,
And the sound of your stringed instruments;
The maggot is spread under you,
And worms cover you.’

12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!

>>>> This is still all part of "take this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say:"
No where is there a REMOTE connection between 'lucifer' and 'satan' and no mention of satan anywhere.

And most important is that the ancient Hebrew language is being translated to English, but they fail to mention that the word 'lucifer' is a LATIN WORD.

This is the PROPER translation :

O star of the morning, הֵילֵ֣ל (hei·lel) Strong's 1966. helel

Definition: a shining one

Topical Lexicon
Name and Context
הֵילֵל (Helel) appears once in the Hebrew Bible, Isaiah 14:12, within an oracle AGAINST the KING of Babylon. The prophet employs celestial imagery—“day star, son of the dawn”—to depict a proud ruler whose lofty ambitions end in humiliation.

>>>> There is absolutely NO ASSOCIATION with 'satan', the Latin word 'lucifer' does not ever appear again in the OT and certainly the Latin word 'lucifer' is not even taught in the NT. All the brouhaha comes from simpleton carnal ignorance.

continuing.......

13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.

16“Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’

18“All the kings of the nations,
All of them, sleep in glory,
Everyone in his own house;
19But you are cast out of your grave
Like an abominable branch,
Like the garment of those who are slain,
Thrust through with a sword,
Who go down to the stones of the pit,
Like a corpse trodden underfoot.
20You will not be joined with them in burial,
Because you have destroyed your land
And slain your people.
The brood of evildoers shall never be named.
21Prepare slaughter for his children
Because of the iniquity of their fathers,
Lest they rise up and possess the land,
And fill the face of the world with cities.”
Yes,he was an archangel.
 
In addition......

How many times is Lucifer mentioned in the Bible?

Not once !

The Bible does not mention anyone in any sort. named 'lucifer', it is used as an adjective to mock the king(s) of Babylon

How-ever, these translations do translate the Hebrew word ‘helel’ into the Latin word ‘lucifer’ in their translated versions of ONE-Scripture - Isaiah 14:12

Isaiah 14:12

King James Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

New King James Version
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

Brenton Septuagint Translation
How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven! He that sent orders to all the nations is crushed to the earth.

Douay-Rheims Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, who didst rise in the morning? how art thou fallen to the earth, that didst wound the nations?

>>>>This is how the Bible gives it’s interpretation of the Hebrew word ‘helel’ - Strong’s 1966 helel :

Definition: a shining one

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

lucifer

From halal (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star -- lucifer.

see HEBREW halal

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Strong’s 1984 halal

Definition: to shine

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance

make boast self, celebrate, commend, deal, make, foolish glory, give light, be make,

A primitive root; to be clear (orig. Of sound, but usually of color); to shine; hence, to make a show, to boast; and thus to be (clamorously) foolish; to rave; causatively, to celebrate; also to stultify -- (make) boast (self), celebrate, commend, (deal, make), fool(- ish, -ly), glory, give (light), be (make, feign self) mad (against), give in marriage, (sing, be worthy of) praise, rage, renowned, shine.

>>>>You will not find any specific Bible scripture's definintions connecting the Hebrew word ‘helel’ to the Latin word ‘lucifer’ nor to the English word ‘satan’.

It only exist in the false teachings of religion; NOW WHY IS THAT !?!

It is no wonder that religions would change Evil-satan into an angel of Light, to better promote their boogeyman fear tactics on their own congregations of carnal minds to more easily fleece them.

As the Word of God states :

2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

Well don’t just take my words for it, Here are Jesus’s words as the Living Word of God.

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

>>>> Now pay attention, see and KNOW that all Angels(messages/messengers) from God carry Truth because they all stand in the Spirit of Truth as the Word of God Spirit, That is to say these Angels of God STAND in Spirit-T-R-U-T-H.

And here is Jesus stating this is True:

John 8:44

New International Version
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

New Living Translation
For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the beginning. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

English Standard Version
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Berean Study Bible
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

Berean Literal Bible
You are of your father the devil, and you desire to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. Whenever he might speak falsehood, he speaks from the own; for he is a liar, and the father of it.

King James Bible
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

>>>> Jesus describes in Truth that satan is :

a) a murder from the BEGINNING

b) NEVER STOOD in the TRUTH.

***but religions falsely teaches satan is a fallen beautiful angel from God, wrongly implying satan “is not a murder from the begining” and incorrectly teaching “satan once stood in truth”.

In TOTAL-OPPOSITION (anti-christ) to what the Jesus in the Bible STATES and TEACHES as Spirit -Truth.
 
You will not find any specific Bible scripture's definintions connecting the Hebrew word ‘helel’ to the Latin word ‘lucifer’ nor to the English word ‘satan’.
The Greek word "satan" means "accuser"; it has no definitional link to "light". It is ludicrous to decry the absence of a Latin word in the Hebrew text of Isaiah.

It only exist in the false teachings of religion; NOW WHY IS THAT !?!

It is no wonder that religions would change Evil-satan into an angel of Light, to better promote their boogeyman fear tactics on their own congregations of carnal minds to more easily fleece them.
Calling it a "false teaching of religion" is baseless, because Scripture says clearly:

"Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light." (2 Corinthians 11:14)

If that is a "false teaching of religion" then Paul was a false teacher. Or, far more likely, you are wrong.
 
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I disagree and here is why.

'lucifer' is a LATIN word and ONLY shows up in Isaiah 14:4

Isaiah 14:4 does not reference any scripture in support of this Latin word 'lucifer'

When God sates :

Isaiah 14:4
4that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say:

Who is 'the king of Babylon' ?!?

And the Word states:

Jeremiah 24:1
The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

So why is Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon ??


In the Book of Daniel, King Nebuchadnezzar desired personal glorify and exalted himself, which led to his fall of/from/by God.

His desires were a manifestation of extreme pride and carnal idolatry, in contrast to God's spiritual enlightenment.

Nebuchadnezzar's arrogance include:

excerpt:
  • The golden statue: After Daniel interpreted the king's dream of a statue representing successive kingdoms, with Babylon as the head of gold, Nebuchadnezzar made a colossal image of gold and demanded everyone worship it. This was an act of idolatry and self-glorification, an attempt to defy the prophecy that his kingdom would be followed by others.
  • The hanging gardens: The king's immense pride was on display when he boasted about his achievements, including the city of Babylon. He proclaimed, "Is this not the great Babylon, which I have built by my mighty power as a royal residence and for the glory of my majesty?". This boast directly preceded his divine humbling.
  • The prophetic dream: Nebuchadnezzar had a second prophetic dream of a great tree that was cut down. The prophet Daniel interpreted this to mean the king would be driven from his throne and live like a beast until he recognized God's sovereignty. Nebuchadnezzar ignored Daniel's warning to repent
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This deadly carnal myth :

"Lucifer was apparently heaven's top worship leader." DO you HAVE ANY scriptures supporting this opinion of yours ?


That 'satan' is Lucifer was apparently heaven's top worship leader. Flies in opposition to what Jesus proclaimed here :

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

NOW , how can any evil spirits, especially 'satan's' be "heaven's top worship leader."

When 'satan' never had the Truth of God(Knowing God in Spiritual righteousness) and is condemn by Jesus from the beginning as a MURDERER ?!?

'lucifer' in Latin is defined Lucifer means "light-bringer" or "light-bearer". It is composed of the Latin words lux ("light") and ferre ("to carry").

so there you have it , it does not imply satan in anyway.

Since Jesus stated 'satan', "does not stand in the truth[Light], because there is no truth[Light] in him. . satan obviously could not be a 'lucifer' - "light-bringer" or "light-bearer".

witness...

John 3:21
But the one who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds will be revealed as having been performed in God.”

Since you are here to OBVIOUSLY KNOW God's Word in Spirit, it is due time to cut and cast away that eye(mindset of flesh ideologies) and thy hand(actions and thoughts of man-kind's delusional LIE!)

This is the warning given by Jesus:

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For you yourselves know perfectly that the Day/Light of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night[darkness/ignorance].

witness...

Malachi 3:1-2
“Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts. / But who can endure the Day[Light] of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He will be like a refiner’s fire, like a launderer’s soap

Revelation 16:15
“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”
What happens in heaven happens on earth.
Nebuchadrezzar is a reflection of satan.
 
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King James Bible
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

>>>> Jesus describes in Truth that satan is :

a) a murder from the BEGINNING

b) NEVER STOOD in the TRUTH.

***but religions falsely teaches satan is a fallen beautiful angel from God, wrongly implying satan “is not a murder from the begining” and incorrectly teaching “satan once stood in truth”.

In TOTAL-OPPOSITION (anti-christ) to what the Jesus in the Bible STATES and TEACHES as Spirit -Truth.

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.

Lucifer fell from heaven which Satan fell from heaven.

His name was Lucifer before he fell but when he fell his name was changed to Satan to identify his new nature as evil which he would be the start of evil.

Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

He caused one third of the angels to rebel.

He is an angel that rebelled.

Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Lucifer was created perfect in his ways until iniquity was found in him and he became Satan.

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

***but religions falsely teaches satan is a fallen beautiful angel from God, wrongly implying satan “is not a murder from the begining” and incorrectly teaching “satan once stood in truth”.

By saying this you are saying Satan was always evil.

Satan could of not always been evil for God who is good would not create an evil being.

But God gave them a choice and Lucifer exalted himself.

Lucifer was created perfect in his ways until he rebelled.

Then he became Satan a devil and from that point on he was a murderer and there was no truth in him.

Jesus said your father is the devil but Lucifer was not a devil until he fell.

When Lucifer fell then he became a devil.

The Bible says Satan is evil but he had to be created good for God would not create a being to be evil from the start.

Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.

Like Adam and Eve were created good but they fell.

If God would not create a being that is evil from the start and Satan was not Lucifer then who was he when he did good.

Lucifer and Satan fell from heaven so Lucifer is Satan before he rebelled and was good at first.

For God who is good would not create a being to be evil from the start especially when He wants reverence and worship from them not to be in opposition to Him.

The Bible only needs to mention Lucifer once to tell us about his rebellion.

But after that he does not need to be mentioned again because from that point on he would be referred as the dragon, serpent, Satan, and the devil, and Lucifer would never apply to him again for that nature is not there anymore.

Satan was created good before he fell and he is Lucifer.
 
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