Was lucifer an archangel before he fell in the Bible?

[Falconn007]

Was lucifer an archangel before he fell in the Bible?

There is not one scripture that testifies; satan is associated to the Latin name 'lucifer'.

It is a deadly myth that persist ONLY in ignorance.

(a) The written word of God is translated originally into ancient Hebrew language and ancient Greek language.

The word ‘lucifer’ is rooted and comes from Latin.

This Latin word ‘lucifer’ is inserted into the translation, by the translators for their own agendas and reasonings of carnal thought.

(let that sink in for some time)

. . .

(b) There is this peculiar thing called TRUTH. ALL archangels and angel of God have the Spirit of Truth within.

Jesus having no sin, is the Spirit Truth.

This is what Jesus stated :

1 John 8:44
For you are the children of your father the devil, and you love to do the evil things he does. He was a murderer from the BEGINNING. He has always hated the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, it is consistent with his character; for he is a liar and the father of lies.

witness…

1 John 3:8
The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.

>>>>With simple common reasoning, you would conclude that satan NEVER was an archangel. Reason being, satan would have had some “truth” and not been “a murderer from the beginning” and lier from the beginning of his existence.

Those who are yet still carnal, never stop and realize, that Jesus NEVER ONCE calls satan, ‘lucifer’ , nor ever addresses satan as ‘lucifer’.

Jesus Fulfills the Old testament with the New covenant, ‘lucife’r is not fulfilled any where in the New Testament.

Those who keep claiming satan was an arch-angel named ‘lucifer’, well this is their path :

Acts 13:10
and said, "O child of the devil and enemy of all righteousness! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the straight ways of the Lord?

1 John 1:8
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

>>>> what religions of carnal man teaches - vs - Jesus , the living Word of God.

Choose !!!

 

[Dino246]

From BibleGateway.org...

CEB
How you’ve fallen from heaven, morning star, son of dawn! You are cut down to earth, helpless on your back!

CEV
You, the bright morning star, have fallen from the sky! You brought down other nations; now you are brought down.

DARBY
How art thou fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou art cut down to the ground, that didst prostrate the nations!

ESV
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

JUB
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst claim the Gentiles as an inheritance!

KJV
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

AKJV
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

NASB
How you have fallen from heaven, You star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who defeated the nations!

NASB1995
“How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

NET
Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations!

NIV
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!


This looks to be a translation issue, not a doctrine issue.

 

[Falconn007]

Is it not a wonder how many carnal minded people who preach this nonsense of 'satan' being 'lucifer' , just ignorantly disregard what God commands :

Isaiah 14:4
4that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say:

“How the oppressor has ceased,
The golden city ceased!
5The Lord has broken the staff of the wicked,
The scepter of the rulers;
6He who struck the people in wrath with a continual stroke,
He who ruled the nations in anger,
Is persecuted and no one hinders.
7The whole earth is at rest and quiet;
They break forth into singing.
8Indeed the cypress trees rejoice over you,
And the cedars of Lebanon,
Saying, ‘Since you were cut down,
No woodsman has come up against us.’

9“Hell from beneath is excited about you,
To meet you at your coming;
It stirs up the dead for you,
All the chief ones of the earth;
It has raised up from their thrones
All the kings of the nations.
10They all shall speak and say to you:
‘Have you also become as weak as we?
Have you become like us?
11Your pomp is brought down to Sheol,
And the sound of your stringed instruments;
The maggot is spread under you,
And worms cover you.’

12“How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!

>>>> This is still all part of "take this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say:"
No where is there a REMOTE connection between 'lucifer' and 'satan' and no mention of satan anywhere.

And most important is that the ancient Hebrew language is being translated to English, but they fail to mention that the word 'lucifer' is a LATIN WORD.

This is the PROPER translation :

O star of the morning, הֵילֵ֣ל (hei·lel) Strong's 1966. helel

Definition: a shining one

Topical Lexicon
Name and Context
הֵילֵל (Helel) appears once in the Hebrew Bible, Isaiah 14:12, within an oracle AGAINST the KING of Babylon. The prophet employs celestial imagery—“day star, son of the dawn”—to depict a proud ruler whose lofty ambitions end in humiliation.

>>>> There is absolutely NO ASSOCIATION with 'satan', the Latin word 'lucifer' does not ever appear again in the OT and certainly the Latin word 'lucifer' is not even taught in the NT. All the brouhaha comes from simpleton carnal ignorance.

continuing.......

13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.

16“Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?’

18“All the kings of the nations,
All of them, sleep in glory,
Everyone in his own house;
19But you are cast out of your grave
Like an abominable branch,
Like the garment of those who are slain,
Thrust through with a sword,
Who go down to the stones of the pit,
Like a corpse trodden underfoot.
20You will not be joined with them in burial,
Because you have destroyed your land
And slain your people.
The brood of evildoers shall never be named.
21Prepare slaughter for his children
Because of the iniquity of their fathers,
Lest they rise up and possess the land,
And fill the face of the world with cities.”

 

[Dino246]

Is it not a wonder how many carnal minded people who preach this nonsense of 'satan' being 'lucifer' , just ignorantly disregard what God commands :

I've read several of your posts over the last couple of days. You use the words "carnal" and "ignorant" often, implying that (most) others are in at least one of those categories.

Unfortunately, that pattern tells me a few things about you... none of them good. Perhaps you should consider toning down your rhetoric; you might even find that many here are far less ignorant and far less carnal than you.

 

[Falconn007]

I've read several of your posts over the last couple of days. You use the words "carnal" and "ignorant" often, implying that (most) others are in at least one of those categories.

Unfortunately, that pattern tells me a few things about you... none of them good. Perhaps you should consider toning down your rhetoric; you might even find that many here are far less ignorant and far less carnal than you.

'Carnal' means being of human/flesh way of thinking and interpreting the Word of God without the Holy Spirit as guide.

1 Corinthians 3:3
for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?

1 Corinthians 3:1
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ

Plus over 40 more stating the sinfulness of carnal minded people.

'Ignorant' means 'NO KNOWING' it has no association nor is it even synonymous with stupidity, but why should I even explain this to you, you know this ...right !?!

Here is the WORD of God using the WORD 'ignorant', I truly doubt you would be foolish enough to ask the Word of God to tone down it's Spiritual Truth:

1 Peter 2:15
For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men—

Hebrews 5:2
He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness.

Acts 17:30
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,

Psalm 73:22
I was so foolish and ignorant; I was like a beast before You.

2 Timothy 2:23
But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.

Romans 10:3
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

Romans 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Ephesians 4:18
having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;

1 Timothy 1:13
although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

1 Peter 1:14
as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance;

2 Corinthians 2:11
lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.

1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

****PLUS over a hundred more that speaks of ignorance in not a good light'


Do you have better 'terms' then what the Word of God states ?!? I doubt it but am intrigue to listen a bit.

AS you most certainly KNOW, we are all born into sin = carnal minded. Or did you revise the Bible !?!

We all sin and most people as Jesus stated remain " Many,many follow the road to destruction" = "yet still carnal".

DO you even NOTICE the difference between you and I , you refer to speak in layman terms: "I've read" and "tells me" and "none of them good." and the always that insidious personal attack "far less ignorant and far less carnal than you." , personal attacks by the way NOT CONDONE here as per:

**If you are claiming that a user is being rude or making personal attacks, make sure you aren't part of the problem. Routinely I reject reports for this type of behavior because the person reporting the post is part of the problem in which case (in order to be fair) I can either do nothing or infraction all users involved.

"no personal attacks"

Please, please instruct me, when will you get to what is Spiritual, about your personal attacks on me !

I should be the one reporting you, but I won't in Hope that you will SEE and HEAR the Light calling you. see I have not lost Hope on you not able to DISCERN what is Spiritual.

Where as I constantly point and share in Spirit, Jesus teachings that you do not even attempt to rebuke in Spirit, why is that.

I will share this one simple thought , why not just simply IGNORE ME, there is a button right there for this very purpose of you not getting carnal petty or equally thinned skinned, on topics you absolutely cannot discern in Spirit, and be more blissful in "NOT KNOWING" what I share in Spirit !?!

I will 'ignore' you or does that button need to tone it down ?!?

 

[Falconn007]

'Carnal' means being of human/flesh way of thinking and interpreting the Word of God without the Holy Spirit as guide.

"implying that (most) others are in at least one of those categories."

REALLY!!! Here is Jesus IMPLYING as you say that very thing you accuse me of doing :

Matthew 7:13
“Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are MANY who go in by it.

Upon request , I can and will provide the WITNESSES to this Spiritual Truth.

 

[Amargosa]

Ezekiel 28 is about the king of Tyre, but the KJV and NKJV versions are descriptive of Lucifer and describes him as an annointed cherub. Cherubim were the worshipping angels and Lucifer was the chief cherub.

Lucifer was apparently heaven's top worship leader.

Ezekiel 28:11-19...

“You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

14 “You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
15 You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.

16 “By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned;
Therefore I cast you as a profane thing
Out of the mountain of God;
And I destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the fiery stones.

17 “Your heart was lifted up because of your beauty;
You corrupted your wisdom for the sake of your splendor;
I cast you to the ground,
I laid you before kings,
That they might gaze at you.

18 “You defiled your sanctuaries
By the multitude of your iniquities,
By the iniquity of your trading;
Therefore I brought fire from your midst;
It devoured you,
And I turned you to ashes upon the earth
In the sight of all who saw you.
19 All who knew you among the peoples are astonished at you;
You have become a horror,
And shall be no more forever.” ’ ”

 

[Dino246]

'Carnal' means being of human/flesh way of thinking and interpreting the Word of God without the Holy Spirit as guide.

1 Corinthians 3:3
for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?

1 Corinthians 3:1
And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ

Plus over 40 more stating the sinfulness of carnal minded people.

'Ignorant' means 'NO KNOWING' it has no association nor is it even synonymous with stupidity, but why should I even explain this to you, you know this ...right !?!

Here is the WORD of God using the WORD 'ignorant', I truly doubt you would be foolish enough to ask the Word of God to tone down it's Spiritual Truth:

1 Peter 2:15
For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men—

Hebrews 5:2
He can have compassion on those who are ignorant and going astray, since he himself is also subject to weakness.

Acts 17:30
Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent,

Psalm 73:22
I was so foolish and ignorant; I was like a beast before You.

2 Timothy 2:23
But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife.

Romans 10:3
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.

Romans 11:25
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Ephesians 4:18
having their understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart;

1 Timothy 1:13
although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

1 Peter 1:14
as obedient children, not conforming yourselves to the former lusts, as in your ignorance;

2 Corinthians 2:11
lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.

1 Corinthians 15:34
Come back to your senses as you ought, and stop sinning; for there are some who are ignorant of God—I say this to your shame.

1 Corinthians 10:1
Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;

2 Peter 3:16
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

****PLUS over a hundred more that speaks of ignorance in not a good light'


Do you have better 'terms' then what the Word of God states ?!? I doubt it but am intrigue to listen a bit.

AS you most certainly KNOW, we are all born into sin = carnal minded. Or did you revise the Bible !?!

We all sin and most people as Jesus stated remain " Many,many follow the road to destruction" = "yet still carnal".

DO you even NOTICE the difference between you and I , you refer to speak in layman terms: "I've read" and "tells me" and "none of them good." and the always that insidious personal attack "far less ignorant and far less carnal than you." , personal attacks by the way NOT CONDONE here as per:

**If you are claiming that a user is being rude or making personal attacks, make sure you aren't part of the problem. Routinely I reject reports for this type of behavior because the person reporting the post is part of the problem in which case (in order to be fair) I can either do nothing or infraction all users involved.

"no personal attacks"

Please, please instruct me, when will you get to what is Spiritual, about your personal attacks on me !

I should be the one reporting you, but I won't in Hope that you will SEE and HEAR the Light calling you. see I have not lost Hope on you not able to DISCERN what is Spiritual.

Where as I constantly point and share in Spirit, Jesus teachings that you do not even attempt to rebuke in Spirit, why is that.

I will share this one simple thought , why not just simply IGNORE ME, there is a button right there for this very purpose of you not getting carnal petty or equally thinned skinned, on topics you absolutely cannot discern in Spirit, and be more blissful in "NOT KNOWING" what I share in Spirit !?!

I will 'ignore' you or does that button need to tone it down ?!?

You are certainly free to put me on Ignore but that won’t stop me from responding to your posts.

I don’t need you to provide dictionary definitions or biblical citations. I am suggesting that you tone down the rhetoric that implies everyone else is ignorant and/or carnal. You can take the suggestion… or not.

 

[Falconn007]

You are certainly free to put me on Ignore but that won’t stop me from responding to your posts.

I don’t need you to provide dictionary definitions or biblical citations. I am suggesting that you tone down the rhetoric that implies everyone else is ignorant and/or carnal. You can take the suggestion… or not.

You just do not get it. This very response to you right now, is a typical carnal ignorant conversation you and I are having without Spirit.

WOW !!! ..... Imagine that I included myself in this worthless carnal conversation , Because I know I am yet still carnal, I have not yet transcended into Spirit, which means with a thorn at my side(no pun intended) I am still human form tada !!!!!!!

WAIT!! a sec.... "I don’t need you to provide dictionary definitions or biblical citations" .... then what on your earth, are you doing in a Christian forum!?! Most, if not all the discussions are on, as you lowly title them, "biblical citations."

When, if ever you may have something Spiritual that you and I may feast on , I will listen, til then I am not holding my breathe.

 

[Falconn007]

Ezekiel 28 is about the king of Tyre, but the KJV and NKJV versions are descriptive of Lucifer and describes him as an annointed cherub. Cherubim were the worshipping angels and Lucifer was the chief cherub.

Lucifer was apparently heaven's top worship leader.

Ezekiel 28:11-19...

I disagree and here is why.

'lucifer' is a LATIN word and ONLY shows up in Isaiah 14:4

Isaiah 14:4 does not reference any scripture in support of this Latin word 'lucifer'

When God sates :

Isaiah 14:4
4that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say:

Who is 'the king of Babylon' ?!?

And the Word states:

Jeremiah 24:1
The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

So why is Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon ??


In the Book of Daniel, King Nebuchadnezzar desired personal glorify and exalted himself, which led to his fall of/from/by God.

His desires were a manifestation of extreme pride and carnal idolatry, in contrast to God's spiritual enlightenment.

Nebuchadnezzar's arrogance include:

excerpt:

• The golden statue: After Daniel interpreted the king's dream of a statue representing successive kingdoms, with Babylon as the head of gold, Nebuchadnezzar made a colossal image of gold and demanded everyone worship it. This was an act of idolatry and self-glorification, an attempt to defy the prophecy that his kingdom would be followed by others.
• The hanging gardens: The king's immense pride was on display when he boasted about his achievements, including the city of Babylon. He proclaimed, "Is this not the great Babylon, which I have built by my mighty power as a royal residence and for the glory of my majesty?". This boast directly preceded his divine humbling.
• The prophetic dream: Nebuchadnezzar had a second prophetic dream of a great tree that was cut down. The prophet Daniel interpreted this to mean the king would be driven from his throne and live like a beast until he recognized God's sovereignty. Nebuchadnezzar ignored Daniel's warning to repent

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This deadly carnal myth :

"Lucifer was apparently heaven's top worship leader." DO you HAVE ANY scriptures supporting this opinion of yours ?


That 'satan' is Lucifer was apparently heaven's top worship leader. Flies in opposition to what Jesus proclaimed here :

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

NOW , how can any evil spirits, especially 'satan's' be "heaven's top worship leader."

When 'satan' never had the Truth of God(Knowing God in Spiritual righteousness) and is condemn by Jesus from the beginning as a MURDERER ?!?

'lucifer' in Latin is defined Lucifer means "light-bringer" or "light-bearer". It is composed of the Latin words lux ("light") and ferre ("to carry").

so there you have it , it does not imply satan in anyway.

Since Jesus stated 'satan', "does not stand in the truth[Light], because there is no truth[Light] in him. . satan obviously could not be a 'lucifer' - "light-bringer" or "light-bearer".

witness...

John 3:21
But the one who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds will be revealed as having been performed in God.”

Since you are here to OBVIOUSLY KNOW God's Word in Spirit, it is due time to cut and cast away that eye(mindset of flesh ideologies) and thy hand(actions and thoughts of man-kind's delusional LIE!)

This is the warning given by Jesus:

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For you yourselves know perfectly that the Day/Light of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night[darkness/ignorance].

witness...

Malachi 3:1-2
“Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts. / But who can endure the Day[Light] of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He will be like a refiner’s fire, like a launderer’s soap

Revelation 16:15
“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”

 

[Tall_Timbers]

He was the covering cherub. Don't know if cherub is a type of angel or an office. The covering cherub was an office.

Eze 28:14-16
You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
“You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created
Until unrighteousness was found in you.
“By the abundance of your trade
You were internally filled with violence,
And you sinned;
Therefore I have cast you as profane
From the mountain of God.
And I have destroyed you, O covering cherub,
From the midst of the stones of fire.

 

[Falconn007]

He was the covering cherub. Don't know if cherub is a type of angel or an office. The covering cherub was an office.

Eze 28:14-16
You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there.
From the midst of the stones of fire.

Ezekiel 28:14
“You were the anointed cherub who covers; I established you; You were on the holy mountain of God; You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.

Time for elementary grammar :

"You were the anointed" - means 'you were but no longer baptize in Spirit'.

cherub כְּר֔וּב (ke·ruv,) Strong's 3742. kerub Definition probably an order of angelic beings >>>> basically messages of righteous Truth.

"who covers" - Strong's 5526a. sakak Definition: to overshadow, screen, cover

Again Ezekiel 28 does not specifically refers in any way or form to 'satan' or references a connection between 'satan' and the Latin word 'lucifer'

Ezekiel 28 is not witness to the teaching in Isaiah 14:4 , the reason being is that mankind, as usual, did not bother to study in Spirit, to see if it was in spiritual line with Isaiah 14:4 , which in Spiritual truth it is not.

both chapters may contain similar wording but that alone does make them synonymous which each of the chapters different teachings in Spirit, nor does any errant interpretations of man-flesh help in DISCERNING what is Spiritual DISCERNED.

Ezekiel 28:11
Moreover the word of the Lord came to me, saying, 12“Son of man, take up a lamentation for the king of Tyre, and say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord God:

“You were the seal of perfection,
Full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
13You were in Eden, the garden of God;
Every precious stone was your covering:
The sardius, topaz, and diamond,
Beryl, onyx, and jasper,
Sapphire, turquoise, and emerald with gold.
The workmanship of your timbrels and pipes
Was prepared for you on the day you were created.

14“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;

Basically states you were once a messenger of God's Spiritual Truth in Spirit(baptized) but are no longer a messenger of Truth.

 

[Dino246]

You just do not get it. This very response to you right now, is a typical carnal ignorant conversation you and I are having without Spirit.

WAIT!! a sec.... "I don’t need you to provide dictionary definitions or biblical citations" .... then what on your earth, are you doing in a Christian forum!?! Most, if not all the discussions are on, as you lowly title them, "biblical citations."

Miss the point much?

 

[Falconn007]

Miss the point much?

You are standing on the edge of a high cliff OH' lucifer, and you believe without a doubt that is your path..... you first.

 

[Amargosa]

I disagree and here is why.

'lucifer' is a LATIN word and ONLY shows up in Isaiah 14:4

Isaiah 14:4 does not reference any scripture in support of this Latin word 'lucifer'

When God sates :

Isaiah 14:4
4that you will take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say:

Who is 'the king of Babylon' ?!?

And the Word states:

Jeremiah 24:1
The LORD shewed me, and, behold, two baskets of figs were set before the temple of the LORD, after that Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon had carried away captive Jeconiah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah, and the princes of Judah, with the carpenters and smiths, from Jerusalem, and had brought them to Babylon.

So why is Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon ??


In the Book of Daniel, King Nebuchadnezzar desired personal glorify and exalted himself, which led to his fall of/from/by God.

His desires were a manifestation of extreme pride and carnal idolatry, in contrast to God's spiritual enlightenment.

Nebuchadnezzar's arrogance include:

excerpt:

• The golden statue: After Daniel interpreted the king's dream of a statue representing successive kingdoms, with Babylon as the head of gold, Nebuchadnezzar made a colossal image of gold and demanded everyone worship it. This was an act of idolatry and self-glorification, an attempt to defy the prophecy that his kingdom would be followed by others.
• The hanging gardens: The king's immense pride was on display when he boasted about his achievements, including the city of Babylon. He proclaimed, "Is this not the great Babylon, which I have built by my mighty power as a royal residence and for the glory of my majesty?". This boast directly preceded his divine humbling.
• The prophetic dream: Nebuchadnezzar had a second prophetic dream of a great tree that was cut down. The prophet Daniel interpreted this to mean the king would be driven from his throne and live like a beast until he recognized God's sovereignty. Nebuchadnezzar ignored Daniel's warning to repent

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This deadly carnal myth :

"Lucifer was apparently heaven's top worship leader." DO you HAVE ANY scriptures supporting this opinion of yours ?


That 'satan' is Lucifer was apparently heaven's top worship leader. Flies in opposition to what Jesus proclaimed here :

John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

NOW , how can any evil spirits, especially 'satan's' be "heaven's top worship leader."

When 'satan' never had the Truth of God(Knowing God in Spiritual righteousness) and is condemn by Jesus from the beginning as a MURDERER ?!?

'lucifer' in Latin is defined Lucifer means "light-bringer" or "light-bearer". It is composed of the Latin words lux ("light") and ferre ("to carry").

so there you have it , it does not imply satan in anyway.

Since Jesus stated 'satan', "does not stand in the truth[Light], because there is no truth[Light] in him. . satan obviously could not be a 'lucifer' - "light-bringer" or "light-bearer".

witness...

John 3:21
But the one who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds will be revealed as having been performed in God.”

Since you are here to OBVIOUSLY KNOW God's Word in Spirit, it is due time to cut and cast away that eye(mindset of flesh ideologies) and thy hand(actions and thoughts of man-kind's delusional LIE!)

This is the warning given by Jesus:

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For you yourselves know perfectly that the Day/Light of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night[darkness/ignorance].

witness...

Malachi 3:1-2
“Behold, I will send My messenger, who will prepare the way before Me. Then the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to His temple—the Messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight—see, He is coming,” says the LORD of Hosts. / But who can endure the Day[Light] of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He will be like a refiner’s fire, like a launderer’s soap

Revelation 16:15
“Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who remains awake and clothed, so that he will not go naked and let his shame be exposed.”

For you, from GotQuestions.org...

What are the names of Satan?

Satan is a spiritual being who led a heavenly revolt against God and was subsequently cast down into the earth (Luke 10:18). His personal name, “Satan,” means “adversary.” This name indicates Satan’s basic nature: he is the enemy of God, of all God does, and of all God loves.

He is also called “the devil” in the New Testament. The word “devil” means “false accuser” or “slanderer.” Satan plays this role in Job 1–2 when he attacks Job’s character.

In Matthew 12:24, the Jews refer to Satan as “Beelzebul,” an epithet derived from “Baal-Zebub” (“lord of the fly”), a false god of the Philistines in Ekron (2 Kings 1:2-3, 6).

Other titles of Satan include the tempter (1 Thessalonians 3:5), the wicked one (Matthew 13:19, 38), the accuser of the brethren (Revelation 12:10), and—three titles that point to Satan’s authority in this world—the ruler of this world (John 12:31), the god of this age (2 Corinthians 4:4), and the prince of the power of the air (Ephesians 2:2). Second Corinthians 11:14 says that Satan transforms himself into “an angel of light,” a description that highlights his capacity and inclination to deceive.

There are a couple of passages which refer to the judgment of earthly kings but may very well also refer to Satan. The first is Isaiah 14:12-15. This is addressed to the king of Babylon (verse 4), but the description also seems to fit that of a more powerful being. The name “Lucifer,” which means “morning star,” is used here to describe someone who sought to overthrow God’s very throne.

The second passage is Ezekiel 28:11-19, addressed to the king of Tyre. As in the “Lucifer” passage, this prophecy contains wording that seems to go beyond the description of a mere mortal. The king of Tyre is said to be “anointed as a guardian cherub,” but he was laid low by pride and “expelled” by God Himself.

In addition to providing names and titles of Satan, the Bible uses various metaphors to reveal the character of the enemy. Jesus, in the parable of the four soils, likens Satan to the birds that snatch the seed off the hardened ground (Matthew 13:4, 19). In another parable, Satan appears as the sower of weeds among the wheat (Matthew 13:25, 28). Satan is analogous to a wolf in John 10:12 and a roaring lion in 1 Peter 5:8. In Revelation 12:9, Satan is the “great dragon . . . that serpent of old”—obviously, a reference to the serpent who deceived Eve (Genesis 3:1).

So, for the sake of this topic discussion, I fell it's okay to use satan, Lucifer and the devil interchangeably. We all understand who he is.

 

[Dino246]

You are standing on the edge of a high cliff OH' lucifer, and you believe without a doubt that is your path..... you first.

Yawn.

 

[pinebeach]

I'm wondering why the op lists his spiritual status as 'unsure', yet has all this advice to whomever. shrugs Apparently also believes he is not saved until his death.

 

[Falconn007]

I'm wondering why the op lists his spiritual status as 'unsure', yet has all this advice to whomever. shrugs Apparently also believes he is not saved until his death.

Can you recall the choices given, none of which describes MY: FAITH.

If all you see is advice, you better off just ignoring me then, push that button.

Are you saved right now??? in human/flesh form ?!? why are you still here then. Should you not be reigning with Jesus and judging the world as you are judging me now !?!

Geeee Talk about contradictions and inconsistencies. You have yourself, a yourself.

 

[Falconn007]

For you, from GotQuestions.org...

What are the names of Satan?

So, for the sake of this topic discussion, I fell it's okay to use satan, Lucifer and the devil interchangeably. We all understand who he is.

There is ONLY one problem with that assessment, the original copies of the Hebrew OT, does not have a LATIN word 'lucifer' in it. Nor is there another witnessing scripture to Isiah 14 to make that errant assumption true.

Other names/titles associated with satan, the adversary, The Evil One, the ruler and prince of this world, evil spirit, the dragon, the Serpent, the Tempter, murderer, the Deceiver, the Evil One, and the father of lies and one you may have not even given any thought to, Jesus calls one of his own disciples Peter - satan.

Matthew 16:23
But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

This verse speak such a truer TRUTH :

2 Corinthians 11:14
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Many believe this to mean satan goes around dressed up as a angel of God, when it is carnal-man that insist on making 'satan' an angel of light, called 'lucifer.

Jesus stated

John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies.

Thank you for your response none the less.

 

[pinebeach]

Can you recall the choices given, none of which describes MY: FAITH.

If all you see is advice, you better off just ignoring me then, push that button.

Are you saved right now??? in human/flesh form ?!? why are you still here then. Should you not be reigning with Jesus and judging the world as you are judging me now !?!

Geeee Talk about contradictions and inconsistencies. You have yourself, a yourself.

What is your faith? Does not seem to be biblical. You do realize this is a Christian forum? It seems you are very touchy and I'm sorry about that. At any rate asking questions or repeating what YOU yourself wrote is not judging. With that attitude, you might consider the fact you may not be able to stay here. Not my rules. This forum has rules and being polite should not have to be made a rule but it seems you need encouragement in that area.