Understanding God’s election

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lrs68

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The demonic RCC is who decided what was Scripture to begin with as if the Spirit of God truly led them.

Now, I love the Books we have. I have nothing against them. I just believe the ones people like Joshua, Abraham, David, other Prophets mentioned were added as well because they were Spirit Inspired by God back then.

They could only change if man decided.
 
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The very purpose of Christ's parables was to instruct and enlighten some, and at the same time place a stumbling block in
front of others. See Matt 13:10-15. Are we to proclaim that Christ was unfair, or admit that His ways are higher than ours.

We must fully trust His actions, and although we see dimly now, we will rejoice in the truth later!

Matthew 13 verses 16-17 Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
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John 12:38b-40 “Lord, who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord
been revealed?” For this reason they were unable to believe. For again, Isaiah says: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes, and understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.”
 
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I just dont like this idea of throwing all free will out the window is all. I guess I dont like it when it is implied God made the unbeliever not believe in Him.
You forget.

In our beginning we were all unbelievers. Born in our natural conscious awareness of self-preservation.

But now, you believe.

You think you chose to all on your own. But 1 Corinthians 2 tells you,you can't.

Yet,there you are. A believer.

Why? Because the Gospel message just makes sense.

You didn't arrive at that conclusion. It wasn't a choice. It was something that moved,shifted,within you when you heard the word.

That's because it was The Word calling you home.
 

rogerg

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Everything in creation is His. The sheep that dont awnser are just as much His as the ones who dont. Im saying that when you are in the great white throne judgment you have no excuse for not trusting Jesus as your lord and savior. If God almighty made it impossible for you to hear or understand you do have and excuse.
I must have missed that. In which verse did you read about sheep that are called but don't answer?
 

lrs68

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Technically the lost sheep that went its own way abandoning the other 99 and caused God to go find it was hearing but not listening.
 
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Your posts are too long for me to absorb all at once. Scripture says none are righteous. Nope. Not one. Are you saying some
are or were? God says David did all God wanted except in the matters of murder and adultery. Yeah, very righteous. And let's
not forget that census. But we were all of the world before being called out of the world. Does this need explanation?


If any had their own righteousness they would not need Christ's. I put on His, and thank God for it.
“Scripture says none are righteous. Nope. Not one. Are you saying some
are or were? “

Yes m saying your misunderstanding that and applying it too far back and I’m saying read this one scripture

By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Abel was the second man born of Adam sis and he had faith and pleased God he wasnt an object of Gods wrath because he was adams son .

But look at his brother the other first man born of Adam . He wasn’t acting right so God tells him to just do what’s right cain and you will be accepted but if you don’t do what’s right sin is going to have you “

He wasn’t already condemned because he was born of Adam and Eve bit he was spoken to by God and called to repentance and promised he also would be accepted like abel was but ……he killed abel instead this wasn’t Gods will but was the corrupted Will of cain, cain is responsible for what he did not for Adam eating the fruit but for his own actions while abel also his actions were considered righteous by God.

“that upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭23:35‬ ‭

Im just pointing out that way way after that then this happened

“The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, To see if there were any that did understand, And seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭14:2-3‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m just trying to show you that there’s a timeline early on mankind had many righteous people and later on after the law was defiled on David’s time the. god saw that one were righteous and that there was no man left To intercede.

But early on absolutely there were many who God looked upon as righteous

“There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”
‭‭Job‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the only part of that whole thing we’ve disagreed on sis is the timing of when it happened and how it happened. That mankind became slaves to and condemned by sin as a whole.

The bible tells of many righteous even who’s righteousness could deliver tbier own souls not it would t be good enough to deliver anyone else’s like Jesus did

“though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭14:20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

There are others but it gets long pretty easily . But yes I’m saying that statement was an observation by God and he saw that there were none righteous kind of like in Noah’s time after ten generations he looks and sees that man’s become wicked completely and Noah is the only one left.

My posts get long because the bi me is long and a lot of Information explains the other little bits of it .

i believe this is going on

“The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men. The LORD trieth the righteous: But the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and eventually this happened as he watched us

“as it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, There is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; There is none that doeth good, no, not one.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I believe there were many righteous men of God , saints actually in the Old Testament yes before he said there were none

abut what made then righteous hasn’t changed they came close to the lord and followed his ways and walked after his words because they believed in him . Like Abraham the righteous man of faith or Noah the hier of the righteousness of faith or Enoch who walked with God and never saw death …..
 
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True. They were for and regarding his Elect.
His intent is to save anyone in the world ever since then who will believe it’s why we have the Bible’s witness of Christ and his gospel that the apostles brought forth to all of us today from two thousand years ago

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s all about spreading the gospel that prayer because people who hear and believe the gospel will be saved
 

rogerg

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Technically the lost sheep that went its own way abandoning the other 99 and caused God to go find it was hearing but not listening.
My question was of His sheep that don't answer. Where is that found? Where is it that any of His sheep, lost or otherwise answer Him?
 

rogerg

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Look at your verse it says their word. Their is talking about the Disciples.
Sure, but His prayer wasn't finished at that point either - His Disciples were a part of it, but so too were those who would come to believe through them. You need to look at His prayer in its entirety, not at the pieces you want to look at.
 
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His intent is to save anyone in the world ever since then who will believe it’s why we have the Bible’s witness of Christ and his gospel that the apostles brought forth to all of us today from two thousand years ago

“Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭17:20-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s all about spreading the gospel that prayer because people who hear and believe the gospel will be saved
True. And the only way they can do that is it is given by God that they understand his good news.
 
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Yes m saying your misunderstanding that and applying it too far back and I’m saying read this one scripture
Scripture says in many places and many ways from front to back, beginning to end, Genesis to Revelation,
that man has no righteousness of his own, there are none, no not one, which is exactly why we need Christ.
This foundational theme, get it? Foundational???? This foundational theme??? This foundational theme
throughout Scripture beginning with Adam highlights humanity's need for God's grace and salvation, but
you say it isn't so. It's like when you told me I take certain words too seriously, because you do not take them
seriously enough. I can talk myself blue in the face about man making choices out of his nature but you will
claim I say man makes no choices at all. Ugh. Pass. I'll stick with Scripture. Mark 10 v 18 “Why do you
call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone."
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True. And the only way they can do that is it is given by God that they understand his good news.
yeah all things have come from God bit it isnt magic …. that’s why he gave this to the church it’s him giving it to all to understand his word together

“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

for the perfecting of the saints,

for the work of the ministry,

for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; but speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

were meant to not argue about everything but share the word of Christ that we understand with one another so we can grow up and understand better and mature in Christ from babes to grown ups.

We need to just listen to the doctrine now we aren’t like these two we don’t need to wait for Jesus to walk up physically and open our understandkng

“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They didn’t have the spirit and revelation of the apostles or anything yet as soon as a person believes the gospel we receive the promise of the spirit in the gospel

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now it becomes about beginning to learn from Jesus and follow as we grow and learn. We don’t need to be perfect but need to learn what he actually taught a lot of folks don’t really look into it very far
 

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Scripture says in many places and many ways from front to back, beginning to end, Genesis to Revelation,
that man has no righteousness of his own, there are none, no not one, which is exactly why we need Christ.
This foundational theme, get it? Foundational???? This foundational theme??? This foundational theme
throughout Scripture beginning with Adam highlights humanity's need for God's grace and salvation, but
you say it isn't so. It's like when you told me I take certain words too seriously, because you do not take them
seriously enough. I can talk myself blue in the face about man making choices out of his nature but you will
claim I say man makes no choices at all. Ugh. Pass. I'll stick with Scripture. Mark 10 v 18 “Why do you
call Me good?” Jesus replied. “No one is good except God alone."
Sister I quoted verses for everything I said just gave you several examples of men the Bible says were righteous.

Even a verse tbat names a few who’s own righteousness would save them

“though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord GOD.
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭14:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

i really can’t make a more clear argument than I’ve made supported by scripture.

Because you read stuff thousand or so years later of what Jesus said to those people it doesn’t change what was before said but the lord.

You say no man is righteous God said abel was you say no one pleases God he said enoch did ….


“By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:4-5‬ ‭KJV‬‬

quoting from David’s time or Jesus day is just not applying the information correctly ( in my own opinion nothing more than that and certainly not an attack or dog or a offense towards you just a different opinion ) there were righteous men a lot of them actually.

but I digress again lol on this subject
 
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yeah all things have come from God bit it isnt magic …. that’s why he gave this to the church it’s him giving it to all to understand his word together

“And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

for the perfecting of the saints,

for the work of the ministry,

for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; but speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

were meant to not argue about everything but share the word of Christ that we understand with one another so we can grow up and understand better and mature in Christ from babes to grown ups.

We need to just listen to the doctrine now we aren’t like these two we don’t need to wait for Jesus to walk up physically and open our understandkng

“Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭24:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

They didn’t have the spirit and revelation of the apostles or anything yet as soon as a person believes the gospel we receive the promise of the spirit in the gospel

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.

Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

now it becomes about beginning to learn from Jesus and follow as we grow and learn. We don’t need to be perfect but need to learn what he actually taught a lot of folks don’t really look into it very far
Some of us here know what he actually taught. Luke 24:45 comports with exactly what Magenta,myself,and others have been saying.

Then he,Jesus/God opened their understanding,that they might understand the scriptures.

He opened their minds first. Then they understood the scriptures.

We know this.
Despite those who try to lead us to believe it isn't true.