Understanding God’s election

[Everlasting-Grace]

I quite imagine that the revelation of Christ as Redeemer is part of what is revealed.

yes, I can see this

I also imagine that the revelation of sin, the penalty for sin, and the fear of God is conveyed.

According to paul in romans 1. This is already known..But men hide this fact

But my point was that the church isn't built by a bunch of individuals exercising faith disconnected to the activity of God.

No one here believes this,, Being calvinst. arminian or anyone else who does not fit into either of these two parties.

The opposite is true. God is the One initiating the salvation through revelation. This is so because faith of necessity must have an object, and the object of saving faith is Christ. So it makes sense that in saving individuals, God would reveal Christ to that individual as Savior.
This is how the grace of God in revelation employs the vehicle of faith to produce salvation. And this is how we become the triumphs of His grace.

yes.

But this is not calvinism, or fatalism.

God does not counter his own justice and make us alive while still under the penalty of sin. We are justified by Faith. so faith must preceded new birth or regeneration.

I am not sure why calvinist are so afraid of faith. as it it is them saving themselves. Paul rejects this idea in eph 1 and 2

 

[Magenta]

again I disagree.

we know by their fruits.

Sis, I am not going to continue this, if you do not think he did. then don;t. I think he did and wqe have plenty of evidence.

but am willing to agree to disagree. not worth fighting over.

The only thing you have given evidence for is that you don't stop when you say you will. You claim there is plenty of Scriptural evidence but I you have not provided any.

 

[MeowFlower]

lol show me a law before mosaic where god said cursed you will be if you do not obey
show me in the where god or anyone else said that a person needs saved because they did not obey some other law

You cant

So your study is not up to date. You assume Much

You are correct. I didn't realize you were a strict New Testament Christian. Which explains why you ignore the Abraham passage I posted from Genesis.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The only thing you have given evidence for is that you don't stop when you say you will. You claim there is plenty of Scriptural evidence but I you have not provided any.

Good day.. I have asked you twice to stop.

I will not continue.. Nothing I say will convince you.. And nothing you say will convince me, so why continue? it is fruitless

 

[MeowFlower]

I am confused. You said no one can elect I said we do then you said not all.
Which is it. Can you please answer

So is god powerless to help us understand so we have no excuse and he is glorified?


We can not save ourselves. It would not matter if we chose to try to save ourselves or not

I am not talking about saving myself. I am talking about choosing to have god save me

Huge difference

Yes they go together
we have been saved by grace THROUGH FAITH

And god chose to save us based on his knowledge of this fact

Your arguments are dwindling into confusion and denial of Scripture.
I accept you cannot understand and therefore blame those who do.

I wish you the best.

 

[Magenta]

Good day.. I have asked you twice to stop.

You said you would stop but then you carried on and claimed you asked me to stop??? jeepers get honest. Part of getting honest would of course necessarily include that you admit that there is no evidence for what you claim, .. . And I'm pretty certain that is not going to happen.

 

[Cameron143]

yes, I can see this


According to paul in romans 1. This is already known..But men hide this fact


No one here believes this,, Being calvinst. arminian or anyone else who does not fit into either of these two parties.


yes.

But this is not calvinism, or fatalism.

God does not counter his own justice and make us alive while still under the penalty of sin. We are justified by Faith. so faith must preceded new birth or regeneration.

I am not sure why calvinist are so afraid of faith. as it it is them saving themselves. Paul rejects this idea in eph 1 and 2

Didn't Christ die for you when you were the enemy of God and still in sin?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You are correct. I didn't realize you were a strict New Testament Christian. Which explains why you ignore the Abraham passage I posted from Genesis.

I am not a strict NT christian

I did not ignore the post you made or scripture

Abraham was not saved because he obeyed Gods law. and he was not lost because he disobeyed.

He was saved because he believed God. but the fact is, there was no law which condemned abraham before the mosaic law.

the fact you can not show me otherwise.. I can just move on.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Didn't Christ die for you when you were the enemy of God and still in sin?

He died for every man woman and child who ever lived.

that's why he can offer us salvation. and does, and has and will continue to offer salvation to all who will receive

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Your arguments are dwindling into confusion and denial of Scripture.
I accept you cannot understand and therefore blame those who do.

I wish you the best.

whatever dude.

You can not counter me. so you push me away.

thats fine. I do not have to convince you..

 

[Cameron143]

He died for every man woman and child who ever lived.

that's why he can offer us salvation. and does, and has and will continue to offer salvation to all who will receive

If God accepted Jesus payment for sin, why is anyone under the penalty of sin?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

If God accepted Jesus payment for sin, why is anyone under the penalty of sin?

I already explained this

He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

No one will go to hell because of personal sin. Jesus took that payment for us on the cross.

They will be condemned because they did not believe.

The law could not save. It showed that we are sinners. and non of us could make it. so we could turn to that which can save.

it also showed us the penalty. an animal had to die..

when the high priest entered. he paid for the sin of all Israel.. Not just a certain few. all of them

When Jesus died. he paid the sin of the whole world. Not just part of them all of them.

 

[Cameron143]

I already explained this

He who believes is not condemned, he who does not believe is condemned already

No one will go to hell because of personal sin. Jesus took that payment for us on the cross.

They will be condemned because they did not believe.

The law could not save. It showed that we are sinners. and non of us could make it. so we could turn to that which can save.

it also showed us the penalty. an animal had to die..

when the high priest entered. he paid for the sin of all Israel.. Not just a certain few. all of them

When Jesus died. he paid the sin of the whole world. Not just part of them all of them.

The High Priest didn't pay for sins. He offered the sacrifice God prescribed and God allowed for that sacrifice to cover the people's sins until Christ paid for them.

You still seem to make an individual's decision the ultimate cause of salvation. At any rate, I'm glad you have come to believe.

 

[Genez]

Thank God for Jesus!!!

How can you say that when you are totally inherently evil?

 

[Genez]

The High Priest didn't pay for sins. He offered the sacrifice God prescribed and God allowed for that sacrifice to cover the people's sins until Christ paid for them.

You still seem to make an individual's decision the ultimate cause of salvation. At any rate, I'm glad you have come to believe.

Jesus was not solely our High Priest.
Was he?

He also became the ultimate source for our salvation.
He was the blood sacrifice, as well.
He offered Himself.

John 1:29b

“Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"​

Jesus was not solely man.
Nor, was Jesus solely God!

So your misapplication making him to be solely High Priest needed some work.

 

[Cameron143]

Jesus was not solely our High Priest.
Was he?

He also became the ultimate source for our salvation.
He was the blood sacrifice, as well.
He offered Himself.

John 1:29b

“Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!"​

Jesus was not solely man.
Nor, was Jesus solely God!

So your misapplication making him to be solely High Priest needed some work.

You are just a contrary person. How does making a point about one aspect of Jesus ministry equate to that being the totality of all an individual believes concerning a topic?
In gaining knowledge, it is also beneficial to gain wisdom as well.
Grace and peace.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The High Priest didn't pay for sins. He offered the sacrifice God prescribed and God allowed for that sacrifice to cover the people's sins until Christ paid for them.

You still seem to make an individual's decision the ultimate cause of salvation. At any rate, I'm glad you have come to believe.

lol.. I said the priest offered payment, the payment was the animal

and as I also have shown

we are saved by Grace,, but THROUGH FAITH

so why do you keep insisting I am the cause of my own salvation.

God is sovereign he can do whatever he wills.

if God says you must look to him as they looked on the serpent Moses lifted, to be born again. How is that person causing his salvation?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

The High Priest didn't pay for sins. He offered the sacrifice God prescribed and God allowed for that sacrifice to cover the people's sins until Christ paid for them.

You still seem to make an individual's decision the ultimate cause of salvation. At any rate, I'm glad you have come to believe.

again, Who did the High priest make atonement for. All the people under the law. or just a few elect people under the law.

 

[Cameron143]

lol.. I said the priest offered payment, the payment was the animal

and as I also have shown

we are saved by Grace,, but THROUGH FAITH

so why do you keep insisting I am the cause of my own salvation.

God is sovereign he can do whatever he wills.

if God says you must look to him as they looked on the serpent Moses lifted, to be born again. How is that person causing his salvation?

Because your participation negates grace; it becomes conditioned on your response.

 

[cv5]

There is 0 evidence in Scripture that Adam repented. And considering how little is said of Adam's relationship with God following their expulsion from the garden, I'm not sure what you're talking about or what you are basing your conclusions on. We are not told whether he repented or whether he is saved or whether he's in heaven... so you can believe all those things if you want but I'm saying it is not in Scripture.

False.

Not only is there codified withing Genesis 3 all of the evidence we will ever need, the confession was made during a public trial with a host of witnesses.

You failed to take the time to hear this several times before, I expect the same reaction this go-around.
Because you know.....10 hours of lectures. Far too much depth for the shallow student to swim in.
Nowadays sermonettes in a baby bottle is the standard diet.

You see......the ONLY way to correctly interpret passages is to map them against THE ENITRE BIBLE.
Everything. And 10 HOURS is only a cursory treatment.

But as for the Calvinites, they read one verse and think that they possess the secrets of the universe. Sad.

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