The first scripture regarding obligation in the OT vein is Genesis 12:2-3,
and the first one in the NT is Matthew 1:20-23.
Understanding God’s election
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The first scripture regarding obligation in the OT vein is Genesis 12:2-3,
and the first one in the NT is Matthew 1:20-23.
No, because souls will be judged justly based upon their opportunity to be saved despite stumbling-blocks such as poor parenting.
Yes, I noticed those immediately, so we have no excuse not to see and hear GW despite stumbling-blocks.
Well, it seems likely that folks like Abraham were/are few and far between before the OT and then the Gospel were/are revealed,
but less opportunity to repent and be saved likely means less time in hell for justice to be achieved before annihilation.
The last time I checked Abraham and God's people were defined as humanity.
The "all" part is indicated by the 7 pearls (1John 4:7-12, Rom. 5:8, Matt. 5:44&48, Gal. 5:6&14, Eph. 3:17b-19, Eph. 5:2, 1Tim. 2:3-4)
and the Roman road: Rom. 1:20, 2:7, 3:21-22, 4:16 & 5:8-19.
TOP #19: On Judgment Day God will enforce just punishment via souls reaping what they have sown or done. [Rom. 2:5-6, cf. TOP #83 & #141] Punishment is just because God does not show favoritism (Eph. 6:9, Col. 3:25, 1Pet. 1:17).
ESV John 7:17 If anyone's will is to do God's will, he will know whether the teaching is from God or whether I am speaking on my own authority.
And the flip side:
NKJ John 5:40 "But you are not willing to come to Me that you may have life.
Amen!
I love how some people will proclaim this topic is not found in the Bible but here we have it and it was literally spoken from the mouth of God Himself.
As if it's possible to top what God Himself has proclaimed..
I've reformatted your post to draw out each statement.
This is probably one of the more succinct statements you've made in 689 pages now. I side note that it's on page 666. Apart from all the bs, the debates on this thread could probably be dealt with from this one post.
Can you explain the two bolded parts? Without your normal trash-talk would be appreciated.
Oh, no, bro Po! Your nose is as cute as a button! Even more important is:
Colossians 1 verse 12; 1 John 1 verse 7 ~ The Father has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
“This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.Oh, no, bro Po! Your nose is as cute as a button! Even more important is:
Colossians 1 verse 12; 1 John 1 verse 7 ~ The Father has qualified you to share in the inheritance of the saints in the light. If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: but if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
1 John 1:5-10 KJV
“Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”
John 8:12 KJV
“Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children; and walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.
But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them.
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
proving what is acceptable unto the Lord. …But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise, redeeming the time, because the days are evil. Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.”
Ephesians 5:1-10, 13-17
“And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”
John 3:19-
“Train up a child in the way he should go: And when he is old, he will not depart from it.”
Proverbs 22:6 KJV
notice the child isn’t already pre dispostioned and forced or created to be wicked …..but rather the child is more like a blank slate wheras the influence of the parents and how the child is raised will set and effect the latter course of the child’s way .
about if we teach children all the wrong things “ nothing you wrong do matters , you’ll never face any consequences in life you don’t need to change anything or do anything differently your perfect as you are “ then tbier going to grow up believing that and it’s going to out then in a terrible disposition
parents and tbier influence and teaching to thier children really sets the course they will travel . Imagine if a parent just thought “ my kid was born evil and wicked he can’t hear or understand if I tell him to do what’s right so why should I bother trying to teach him morality or warn him about evil and death … someday God will just magically save him so I should t think what I teach my kid is going to actually effect thier kind and heart towards God “
This would be a neglectful parent who didn’t care much about thier kids life and future even though they may think they’re giving them unconditional love they are actually causing them alot of problems for later
@BillyBob , I started the above panel on Friday at work since it has been oh so very slow lately,
though I anticipate being fairly busy at work for a while in the near future, since the end of the
school year will be upon us soon. Last night when I should have been going to bed for sheer
exhaustion, instead I started this next panel thinking of you, and I know we have this in common,
for I became a servant of the gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of
His power... not through my own desire or effort, just as the Scriptures say. I wonder if our nay-sayers
claim Paul was forced to believe also? Oh, and I wanted to tell you also that "Potato" was a name one
of the boys gave me when we were in primary school. LOL. He had more than one nick name for me.
Does that mean he liked me? Hmmmm. We may never know ,
Ephesians 3 verse 7 ~ I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power.
though I anticipate being fairly busy at work for a while in the near future, since the end of the
school year will be upon us soon. Last night when I should have been going to bed for sheer
exhaustion, instead I started this next panel thinking of you, and I know we have this in common,
for I became a servant of the gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of
His power... not through my own desire or effort, just as the Scriptures say. I wonder if our nay-sayers
claim Paul was forced to believe also? Oh, and I wanted to tell you also that "Potato" was a name one
of the boys gave me when we were in primary school. LOL. He had more than one nick name for me.
Does that mean he liked me? Hmmmm. We may never know ,
Ephesians 3 verse 7 ~ I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace, given me through the working of His power.
Indeed it is! It is God's precious gift of the Holy Spirit who gives God's people understanding (1Cor 2:6-13; 2Tim 2:7)!