The stumbling block that I am speaking of - prevented them from being healed. Look it up!
Understanding God’s election
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I thought this Thread was about how God saves a person. I was keeping up with the theme pattern.
But nice touch switching things up
John 12:38b-40 “Lord, who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord
been revealed?” For this reason they were unable to believe. For again, Isaiah says: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes, and understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.”
I did not make fun of anything. I simply stated what scripture proclaims. The difference between us, is that I have been given eyes to see and ears to hear - as you can tell from my photo!
If this is what BillyBob was talking about then it's what I have been talking about with Isaiah, Jesus, and Paul.
John 12:38b-40 “Lord, who has believed our message? And to whom has the arm of the Lord
been revealed?” For this reason they were unable to believe. For again, Isaiah says: “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts, so that they cannot see with their eyes, and understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.”
Matthew13 verses 13-15 Then the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Why do You speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “The knowledge of the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: ‘Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand.’ In them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled: ‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has grown callous; they hardly hear with their ears and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts, and turn, and I would heal them.’”
LOL!
But if it's actually about not hearing and seeing then it's the Prophecy that helped the Gentiles like most on this thread be saved
Matthew 13 verses 16-17 ~ Blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For truly I tell you, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
I don't want to boast, but I have a nice nose as well! Or, do you think I should have some plastic surgery?
Those are questions for YOU.
The indigenous should have had 10, 20, 30 ,40 % ? just elected to salvation.
Why were none of the indigenous elected to salvation?
God cannot save anyone, anywhere at any time. He is constrained by His divine attributes .
Anyone, anywhere and at any time can believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for their salvation........And He WILL save them.
Where do you get such numbers? There were no believers in the New World until the gospel was introduced. But for a long period of time after the cross it was not. So how is it you say all have equal access to the gospel. Clearly history demonstrates this is not.
God is constrained from saving anyone anywhere anytime? What constrains God from doing so? What divine attribute of God do you speak of?
The Bible says people cannot believe until they have heard...Romans 10:14. This is the whole reason God sends preachers.
LOL!
But if it's actually about not hearing and seeing then it's the Prophecy that helped the Gentiles like most on this thread be saved
tbat is a specific curses upon israel for breaking thier covenant gentiles we’re never cursed and made blind as they were
“They arranged to meet Paul on a certain day, and came in even larger numbers to the place where he was staying. He witnessed to the Jews from morning till evening, explaining about the kingdom of God, and from the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus. Some were convinced by what he said, but others would not believe.
They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement:
“The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet: “ ‘Go to this people ( israel ) and say, “You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.” For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.
’ “Therefore I want you to know that God’s salvation has been sent to the Gentiles, and they will listen!”
For two whole years Paul stayed there in his own rented house and welcomed all who came to see him. He proclaimed the kingdom of God and taught about the Lord Jesus Christ—with all boldness and without hindrance!”
Acts 28:23-28, 30-31
israel was made. Kind because of me Howe rebellion and dead to his word because they rejected it for so long and rebelled .
thats why Jesus said that to them and Paul said it to them and Peter also said it to them but the gentile oeoples have never been cirsed by the covenant issael
Made with GOD and it’s never said gentiles are made dead and blind but that they will hear it and listen when it’s preached …..
This is specifically about israel and ended in 70 ad
“And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed. Then said I, Lord, how long? And he answered, Until the cities be wasted without inhabitant, and the houses without man, and the land be utterly desolate, and the LORD have removed men far away, and there be a great forsaking in the midst of the land.”
Isaiah 6:9-12 KJV
Israel began to reject his word and change it by the prophets they appointed so he then said he would make them blind and deaf when the messiah came with the new covenant word
“And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest at any time they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And should understand with their heart, And should be converted, and I should heal them.”
Matthew 13:14-15 KJV
the prophets said in the ot that israel would be made blind and deaf but he would choose a few of Israel a remnant for his witnesses and they would understand and be sent to the nations beginning at Jerusalem before it’s desolation gentile people have never been cursed by the old covenant and made blind and deaf to the messiah he’s actually the light of the world lole the sunrise it’s hard to never hear about Jesus in the world
That one is indeed specific to the children of Israel except for the promised remnant who would carry the word out from Jerusalem to the nations.
But it wasnt all of them forever. Many of those who were having Jesus crucified before he died , later repented and were baptized .
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“And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas: But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him. And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.”
Luke 23:18, 21,
But This all had to happen to fulfill the plan of salvation in prophecy for the messiah to suffer and die for the sins of the people.
“But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way;
and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”
Isaiah 53:5-6 KJV
“For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps: who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:
who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.”
1 Peter 2:21-25
He used Israel’s curse to bless all nations and even them who repent and believe the gospel
What is made up? Your post shares your testimony and the reason for your deficient understanding of divine love,
while mine shares God's plan A for parenting and what a difference loving parents can make in understanding election.