Understanding God’s election

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Rufus said:
The specialty of FWers is their constant use of carnal reasoning, which they must use to support their theologically bankrupt system.
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Let's just call a spade a spade. They repeat lies even after they have been corrected. They love their lies.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Not really.



The Gospel only has power when God bequeaths belief according to you.

And yet scripture makes no qualification of granting hearing.... so in essence you deny its power.

Romans 1:16, which says, "For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek."
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Not according to me...it is only the power of God to those who are actually saved. The Bible doesn't claim it is the power of God to those who don't believe...according to God.
In other scripture, hearing is equated with understanding, and that the understanding is an imparted understanding, not one that originates within the individual.

The saddest part is that you do actually understand my position and the scripture believe supports it. While I don't expect that everyone will agree with all I espouse, anyone can know why I espouse what I do. You know, and yet you deliberately misrepresent my position. This is dishonesty.
 
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Kroogz said:
Who are the millions who have never heard it?

The ones calvies think are not elect?
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If you want to know what Calvinists believe, ask a Calvinists.

Millions upon millions since the time of Christ have not heard the gospel. One group are those indigenous to North and South America. From the time of the cross until missionaries shared the gospel, they were bereft of the gospel. Still millions upon millions more under totalitarian regimes today have not heard.
So how do you claim everyone has the same opportunity?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Not according to me...it is only the power of God to those who are actually saved. The Bible doesn't claim it is the power of God to those who don't believe...according to God.
In other scripture, hearing is equated with understanding, and that the understanding is an imparted understanding, not one that originates within the individual.

The saddest part is that you do actually understand my position and the scripture believe supports it. While I don't expect that everyone will agree with all I espouse, anyone can know why I espouse what I do. You know, and yet you deliberately misrepresent my position. This is dishonesty.
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The free willer does not actually care about what Scripture explicitly says if and when it clashes with their pet fantasy of
free will, which it does often. They claim everyone hears, and believe everyone is capable from birth of understanding,
regardless of the fact that Scripture teaches otherwise in a plethora of places.
 
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Cameron143 said:
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Not according to me...it is only the power of God to those who are actually saved. The Bible doesn't claim it is the power of God to those who don't believe...according to God.
In other scripture, hearing is equated with understanding, and that the understanding is an imparted understanding, not one that originates within the individual.

The saddest part is that you do actually understand my position and the scripture believe supports it. While I don't expect that everyone will agree with all I espouse, anyone can know why I espouse what I do. You know, and yet you deliberately misrepresent my position. This is dishonesty.
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Your position is quite clear, a person can only be spiritually saved when and only when God grants them the gift of supernatural hearing.
I think we all know the system quite well by now.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Your position is quite clear, a person can only be spiritually saved when and only when God grants them the gift of supernatural hearing.
I think we all know the system quite well by now.
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Funny. You call comprehending the gospel "supernatural hearing" now?

I suppose you must make it into something you can mock since you contradict what Scripture actually says on the matter.

Just as you do with other Scriptural truths you do not like.

What is it especially about Jesus unstopping the ears of the deaf that so disgusts you?

Is it the fact the His sheep hear and you have heard nothing?
 
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HeIsHere said:
Your position is quite clear, a person can only be spiritually saved when and only when God grants them the gift of supernatural hearing.
I think we all know the system quite well by now.
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See...you did know, yet chose to misrepresent my position anyway.

I would state it differently, but essentially this is correct. I never characterized God opening an individual's understanding as a gift, but it is supernatural and it does accompany salvation.
 
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Cameron143 said:
If you want to know what Calvinists believe, ask a Calvinists.

Millions upon millions since the time of Christ have not heard the gospel. One group are those indigenous to North and South America. From the time of the cross until missionaries shared the gospel, they were bereft of the gospel. Still millions upon millions more under totalitarian regimes today have not heard.
So how do you claim everyone has the same opportunity?
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This is what I hear......God is not powerful enough to get His Gospel to ALL.

How do you know God didn't get His Gospel to "millions?" The Holy Spirit is that ineffective?
 
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Kroogz said:
This is what I hear......God is not powerful enough to get His Gospel to ALL.

How do you know God didn't get His Gospel to "millions?" The Holy Spirit is that ineffective?
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So why didn't the missionaries find a bunch of Christians amongst the indigenous populations? Why didn't they find any?
 
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Cameron143 said:
See...you did know, yet chose to misrepresent my position anyway.

I would state it differently, but essentially this is correct. I never characterized God opening an individual's understanding as a gift, but it is supernatural and it does accompany salvation.
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Keep an eye out for her repeating the lie that the gospel is not hid, despite the Scripture given that proves otherwise.

More than one verse teaches that fact but of course as usual they must
throw over a plethora of Biblical truth to cling to their preferred fantasy.
 
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Kroogz said:
This is what I hear......God is not powerful enough to get His Gospel to ALL.

How do you know God didn't get His Gospel to "millions?" The Holy Spirit is that ineffective?
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That's odd that this is what you hear. Nowhere in my post is God not being powerful stated or insinuated. It isn't a matter of whether God can save anyone anywhere, anytime. It's a matter of whether He has or not.
 
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Those ignorant free willers should know that nowhere in the Bible does it speak about a person choosing to do the will of God....oh wait a minute.... the Beloved Apostle John mentioned something that JESUS SAID FROM HIS OWN MOUTH:


17 Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own.

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Imagine that straight out of the mouth of GOD HIMSELF!!
 
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Revelation 3 verse 8; Luke 13 verse 24 ~ Behold, I have placed before you an open door, which no one can shut. Make every effort to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able.
 
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Cameron143 said:
To blame for what?
If God is required to act, He answers to someone else. He is not Sovereign.
If God is Sovereign, He decides how and when to act.
If you believe God must act, then you are that sovereign. God answers to you.

This is why you find fault with God. I don't find God blameworthy for the actions of men. They fit themselves for destruction. You believe He is obligated to do something on behalf of all men. You subject God to your ways of doing things.
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For when He doesn't act.
I believe God obligated Himself to provide the possibility of salvation for the souls He created.
 
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Cameron143 said:
That's odd that this is what you hear. Nowhere in my post is God not being powerful stated or insinuated. It
isn't a matter of whether God can save anyone anywhere, anytime. It's a matter of whether He has or not.
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See, they keep asserting that they understand what is believed by others and that they are not misrepresenting
what others believe, yet they keep posting stuff that nobody has said and no one believes but they claim it is
what we believe. Then they try to blame the other! Like it is our fault they love their lies and repeatedly claim
we believe things we do not. Things would improve greatly if they simply accept what Scripture plainly states.
 
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Making fun of what God did to a specific people just so it's possible for a different people to be saved seems foolish to make fun of considering the jokesters are the different people that needed the stumbling block in order to be saved.
 
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