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They were neither hot nor cold.... Lukewarm.
They showed apathy towards continuing in growing in grace and truth.
Kinda like some here who have nailed their sandals to the floor while citing the same misunderstood passages over and over.
Since the title of this thread is "the Trinity", we should start off with the history of the Trinity.
The Jews believe in a one person God. Duet 6: 4 Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord defines Israel's national creed. Mark 12: 29-30 states that loving the Lord thy God is the first commandment. Nowhere in the Bible is a triune God mentioned or hinted at. The trio of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned in the New Testament, but never hinted at or declared that they were the same being. Ask Jews if they believe in a Trinity. For sure, Jesus's mind was different from the Father's when he prayed to the Father that not his will be done, but the Father's. John 6:38, John 4: 34, Matt 26: 39 In Mark 12: 35-37 The Lord speaking is the Father, and the second Lord, "my Lord", is His Son, Christ. That is two distinct beings that have existed even during the time of David. The RCC (Roman Catholic Church) adopted the Trinity concept in 325 AD at the Council of Nicaea, included it in their Nicene Creed, and confirmed it at the Council of Constantinople. Emperor Constantine, who was a sun worshiper, ordered that Christian bishops had to teach that the Father and Son were the same being. The Holy Spirit was added as the third person of the Trinity at the Council of Constantinople. During the reign of Nicene (Trinitarian) Emperor Theodocius in 379 AD, in his edict of Thessalonica, he declared that the Trinity had to be taught throughout the Roman empire, and anyone teaching anything different would be punished by the Roman government. This punishment would include confiscation of property and death. This is the time when a so-called Christian organization started killing other Christians who disagreed with their doctrine of the Trinity. The first Christians to face judicial execution by other Christians for his beliefs after the edict of Thessalonica was Priscillian, Bishop of Avila in 385 AD. The effect of this edict is still felt today. Every doctrine established by the RCC is not in the Bible and is categorized as " tradition of men". Check out the non-RCC history of the RCC, and you will find total corruption and death of Christians. It is amazing to me that anything that they have come up with is still believed.
Scripture on tradition of men
Matt 15: 3 But He answered and said unto them, why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
Matt 15: 7-9 Ye hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth near unto me with their mouth, and honoreth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
Mark 7: 9, 13 And said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. Making the word of God of no effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered; and many such things do ye.
The meaning of the Trinity is that God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit the mother are one.
At the time, Jesus couldn't tell the disciples who was the Holy Spirit because they would have offended Her, like in the Book of Thomas, they disrespected Mary for being in a group session with the men. And God the Father doesn't like anyone to offend His Help meet.
John 10:30
I and the Father are one.”
Isaiah 63:10
Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them.
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Exodus 20:12
“Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you
She came later as it's in Jewish law; the man comes before the woman. And when she appeared many times after, she never said her name. The Catholics assumed that she was Mary. But She said She was the immaculate conception which spirits enters the body like a sperm enters an egg. And immaculate mean pure, Holy.
John 1:1-3
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made.
so Jesus is God
John 4:24
God is Spirit. Only God is Holy. The Holy Spirit is God
Exodus 3:14
God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation.
God is Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Jesus is Lord, the Lord is the Spirit, and God is Lord.
Catholicism is dangerous precisely because it includes some truth. Christians reject Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism. Many sincere people accept Catholicism as real Christianity. One of those truths is indeed the trinity. There is a great deal of error to pick on. The doctrine of the trinity is not one of them.
Gideon 300, what do you disagree with? Check your history. Check the history of the RCC's catechism that was written throughout the history of the RCC by different popes. It includes such things as indulgences, worship of Mary, marriage of priests, priests forgiving sins by simply reciting the Our Father and Hail Mary, Purgatory, mortal and venial sins, praying to saints, statues,etc. Read Foxe's Book of Martyrs and about The Spanish Inquisition. The richest organization in the world is the Roman Catholic Church.
I disagree with much of Catholicsm. I won't even call it a church. It's a man made organisation. However, as I said, there is some truth. They state that Jesus is Saviour and Lord. The current pope has stated that Mary is not a mediator between God and man. Fine. How about dealing with the rest of the vast number of empty human traditions.
Note! Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord?
It is not what it says in the Hebrew.
I know. I used to sing the Shema in synagogue on Saturday morning services.
Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One! (not - one lord!)
The word "One" is echad.
Echad means a unity of One!
Here... read this page, please. https://www.bible.ca/trinity/trinity-oneness-unity-yachid-vs-echad.htm
grace and peace!
It's like we have four oceans but one body of water.
Since we have been corrupted and taken over by many different spirits that are unequal to each other, that's causing the people to be divided. That we aren't one.
God wants to remove these spirits and replace them with His spirits from His kingdom. That's what it meant in Jesus' prayer, "Thy kingdom come", telling God that His will be done once the members of His kingdom merges with the people of the earthly realm.
But for now, the Truth came into the world to expose the ones that possessed our souls turning us against one another.
Here in this verse is showing to one in spirit and body, one mind. That there's no separation from each other. That it's showing that Ruth only desire one thing.
But now we have divorcees.
Ruth 1:16
But Ruth replied, “Don’t urge me to leave you or to turn back from you. Where you go, I will go, and where you stay, I will stay. Your people will be my people and your God my God.
We're being inhabited daily with demonic entities as we accept certain things as being a part of our lifestyle
Luke 12:53
They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
Matthew 12:45
Then it goes and takes with it seven other spirits more wicked than itself, and they go in and live there. And the final condition of that person is worse than the first. That is how it will be with this wicked generation.”
Just got home with Foxe's Book Of Martyrs. Stumbled on it at Half Price Books while looking for Hunt and Spurgeon.
This is another one that catholics will deny and say that Mary's role as co-redeemer and mediatrix is not a formally defined dogma of the RCC. Really? It's right here in the catechism. 969 This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation...Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix. What's the definition of a mediatrix? A woman who is a mediator. And here is some more evidence that the catholics are of the opinion that Mary is the mediatrix of all graces, a title Roman catholics give to the blessed virgin Mary as the mother of God. It includes the understanding that she mediates the divine grace. THIs was given to us by pope Leo XIII in 1894. Catholic dictionary: mediatrix is a title of the blessed virgin as a mediator of grace. Fr. Dwight Longenecker in his article in the magazine Catholic Answers titled Mary, Mother of Salvation; How to explain the Co-Redemptrix to Evangelicals 12/01/ 2007. How about don't explain it to us because it's a false teaching. The catholic magazine Catholic Planet describes Mary as co-redemptrix , mediatrix, and advocatrix. Catholicism.org May 31. 2000 titled Our Lady, Mediatrix of all graces says at he bottom of the page that God will not listen to any prayer that is not offered to him through the intercession of Mary. This leads us back to 1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Rom 8 : 34 Who is he that condemneth? Shall Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Jesus " maketh intercession for us" by praying to the Father on our behalf. Are catholics trying to disobey the Bible on purpose? They are trying to put Mary on a pedestal to make her equal to Jesus. Mary being the mediatrix is a man-made tradition of the RCC that is found nowhere in the Bible.
Was reading last night about how the pope became infallible in Dave Hunt's book A Woman Rides The Beast. Threats, bribes and arrests were how they got it done in Vatican 1.
The government (singular noun), they (plural pronoun) pass laws.
Why does the singular noun have a plural pronoun?
Ask God because He told it person to person to Moses and instructed how Moses was to use it.
The fact that people even discuss this issue as if they know better than those from 4,800 years ago seems like a joke to me. They clearly understand the Torah (5 Books of the Law) better than the English any day of the week.
Your answer has no connection to my question.
Why can't you even answer one simple question?
PaulThomson said:
The government, they pass laws.
The government (singular noun), they (plural pronoun) pass laws.
Why does the singular noun (government) have a plural pronoun (they) ?
Because the government is a title but those who operate the government are many would be the English understanding.
But Paul said God uses the government to keep control by having people live within a system of laws.
So really many people are doing the work for one God who designed the system to begin with.
Good. And Yahweh is a title for the Godhead, but those who operate the Godhead are several. Hence. the mixture of plural and singular verb forms, nouns and pronouns when scripture speaks about God.