Trinity
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Interesting take, thank you. Learning still, taking it all to Father in prayer, trusting my comforter guide (Holy Spirit of God) to carry it in truth and hear an answer to grow deeper in love and mercy given me to do as led by Father and Son. Not by self or anyone else of flesh either, Only Father and Son in Father's Spirit and Truth John 4:23-24
This love and mercy of Son given us all. Floors me daily, and am in thanksgiving over it daily
Micah 6:7-8
This love and mercy of Son given us all. Floors me daily, and am in thanksgiving over it daily
Micah 6:7-8
8 See to it that no one makes a prey of you by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily, ------Colossians 2
I and the Father are one.” ----John 10:30
I and the Father are one.” ----John 10:30
Would you say this is more or less your belief?
Modalism
Modalism, also called Sabellianism, is the unorthodox belief that God is one person who has revealed himself in three forms or modes in contrast to the Trinitarian doctrine where God is one being eternally existing in three persons. According to Modalism, during the incarnation, Jesus was simply God acting in one mode or role, and the Holy Spirit at Pentecost was God acting in a different mode. Thus, God does not exist as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit at the same time. Rather, He is one person and has merely manifested himself in these three modes at various times. Modalism thus denies the basic distinctiveness and coexistence of the three persons of the Trinity.
Too often we miss too much in over simplified English translations.
A more accurate rendering from the Greek of Philippians 2:6, could legitimately be rendered...
Who (Christ), though He eternally existed in the essence of God, he did not think equalities (plural)
with God a gain to be seized (means to violently take) and held.
Jesus did not refuse to let go of manifesting himself as God in God's powers.
He did not react and violently wish to take back all he had just been in the power of being as God, when allowing
himself to become as a man weak in power in comparison.
The Greek says that He had been eternally existing.
That automatically = God.
grace and peace ...........
Modalism would also mean Jesus did some things for theatrics without sincerity. Like praying to His Father. Modalism, as presented, doesn't hold up under critical examination.
I wonder if there is something about the essence of "One" that we are missing due to its lack of application in the natural.
Perhaps we should say "Triune" in order to understand the essence of relationship,
which finds application in marriage, which may be why marriage is compared to our relationship with God in Scripture (cf. Hosea).
Triune is somewhat elitist, IMO. But I understand where you're coming from.
With the Spirit we should be able to excavate the depths using common language. I get the marriage reference. In my physical house, with children, I am father, husband, friend, counselor, and ruler for the sake of peace. My lineage is from my natural father. In marriage, my father-in-law gave me the authority to rule over my wife. I do this by giving my life for her sake. Lots of parallels.
Agrees with first sentence.
Jesus, the Word of God whom John calls God and the creator of all things makes our Lord Father. I consider it foolish to consider 3 persons in one God which is heresy. This is my opinion.
Israel knew the Father but few know the Son, Christians know the Son, but few know the Father
OK. Thanks for your honesty.
Probably not a bannable offense but DEFINITELY a longstanding heretical position in MOST Churches.
You have not addressed Jesus's Baptism question.
ALL 3 Members of the Trinity were present, AND separate at that event.
How do you explain that?
Yeshua is the WORD [which is God in Spirit form] that manifested Himself into flesh according to both John and Paul’s writings.
Surely God in Spirit form who manifests Himself into the flesh is capable of manifesting Himself in a multitude of ways.
Genesis tells us that the Same Deity was both on earth and in Heaven simultaneously [Omnipresent] when He called down fire and brimstone upon Sodom. So clearly God in Spirit form as the WORD can be represented as 2 simultaneously.
But I am not denying anything only telling what the BIBLE claims not how men have interpreted it.
Surely God in Spirit form who manifests Himself into the flesh is capable of manifesting Himself in a multitude of ways.
Genesis tells us that the Same Deity was both on earth and in Heaven simultaneously [Omnipresent] when He called down fire and brimstone upon Sodom. So clearly God in Spirit form as the WORD can be represented as 2 simultaneously.
But I am not denying anything only telling what the BIBLE claims not how men have interpreted it.
Too common, tragically.Yeah, that's a weird theology.
1. Ever-existing Persons.
2. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit work together unanimously.
God is One but we will trip and bust up our knees to make that into a clause that includes the number 3. Sometimes it almost seems idolic how people act to stamp the triunity about God. But indeed Oneness in the Holy sense of a Holy God seems very comforting to me. Besides, it's absolutely Biblical.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called “Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
