The unforgivable sin?
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To harm one's reputation with false statements, it has to be public so people can hear it.
When the pharisees said Jesus cast out devils thru Beelzebub they didn't say it privately.
I never said it did.
I only asked a question.
Why do you always come across as narky/angry person.
That's why I avoid you.
I won't ask you any questions again.
Do you speak like this to non Christians?
Anyway anyone who does not repent of the of the sin of unbelief that Jesus states in John cannot be saved.
Don't respond, I rather speak to people who wish to discuss rather than attack.
Actually, the HS says that the unforgiveable sin is dying while an atheist/antiChristian,
because Today is the opportunity for salvation. (Hebrews 3:7-15)
The subject is what blaspheming the Holy Spirit is.
Webster: to speak in a way that shows irreverence for God or something sacred : to utter blasphemy.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
blaspheme, defame, revile, speak evil.
From blasphemos; to vilify; specially, to speak impiously -- (speak) blaspheme(-er, -mously, -my), defame, rail on, revile, speak evil.
see GREEK blasphemos
HELPS Word-studies
987 blasphēméō(from blax, "sluggish, slow" and 5345 /phḗmē, "reputation, fame") – properly, refusing to acknowledge good (worthy of respect, veneration); hence, to blaspheme which reverses moral values.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from blasphémos
Definition
to slander, hence to speak lightly or profanely of sacred things
NASB Translation
be spoken of as evil (1), blaspheme (4), blasphemed (6), blasphemers (1), blasphemes (3), blaspheming (4), dishonored (1), hurling abuse (3), malign (2), maligned (1), revile (3), reviling (1), slandered (1), slanderously reported (1), spoken against (1), utter (1).
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
Jesus issues a singular, solemn warning: “Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven” (Luke 12:10; Mark 3:28-29). In context the Pharisees attribute Spirit-empowered miracles to Satan.
Sure, this can be done privately, but for best effect, publically, as the pharisees did to speak against Jesus to defame Him.
Webster: to speak in a way that shows irreverence for God or something sacred : to utter blasphemy.
Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
blaspheme, defame, revile, speak evil.
From blasphemos; to vilify; specially, to speak impiously -- (speak) blaspheme(-er, -mously, -my), defame, rail on, revile, speak evil.
see GREEK blasphemos
HELPS Word-studies
987 blasphēméō(from blax, "sluggish, slow" and 5345 /phḗmē, "reputation, fame") – properly, refusing to acknowledge good (worthy of respect, veneration); hence, to blaspheme which reverses moral values.
NAS Exhaustive Concordance
Word Origin
from blasphémos
Definition
to slander, hence to speak lightly or profanely of sacred things
NASB Translation
be spoken of as evil (1), blaspheme (4), blasphemed (6), blasphemers (1), blasphemes (3), blaspheming (4), dishonored (1), hurling abuse (3), malign (2), maligned (1), revile (3), reviling (1), slandered (1), slanderously reported (1), spoken against (1), utter (1).
Blasphemy Against the Holy Spirit
Jesus issues a singular, solemn warning: “Everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven” (Luke 12:10; Mark 3:28-29). In context the Pharisees attribute Spirit-empowered miracles to Satan.
Sure, this can be done privately, but for best effect, publically, as the pharisees did to speak against Jesus to defame Him.
Re "to speak in a way that shows irreverence for God or something sacred, defame, revile, speak evil, vilify":
Yep, that is what atheists and anti-Christians do, and they had better repent ASAP per the HS they blaspheme,
because Today is the opportunity for salvation (Hebrews 3:7-15); there may be no tomorrow.
John 16:7-10
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
Jesus clearly states that the Holy Spirit will convict the world of of the sin of unbelief in him.
If they don't repent of that, then they are not saved.
If they cannot be saved as a result then it's the unforgivable sin.
They reject the conviction that Jesus is who he said he is and that in fact he rose from the dead for the forgiveness of sins.
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more;
Jesus clearly states that the Holy Spirit will convict the world of of the sin of unbelief in him.
If they don't repent of that, then they are not saved.
If they cannot be saved as a result then it's the unforgivable sin.
They reject the conviction that Jesus is who he said he is and that in fact he rose from the dead for the forgiveness of sins.
The Pharisees and scribes were attributing Jesus's work to the Devil.
They were denying who He is, believing Him to be a Devil or the Devil, calling him beezelbub.
So this isn't about a believer denying Jesus. It's unconverted, legalistic pharisees rejecting Jesus to begin with.
No it does not indicate anger at all.. It indicates the critical words in the scripture or the message you think are the most important in relation to the point you are making..
Thats what you have interpreted it to mean.. It is not what i mean.. I use bold and underline to support the point of view i am putting forward it is not indicating what i think of the other persons intellectual ability.. I use the same technique no matter if i think the other persons is brilliant or simple..
Well thats sad.. But you're not encountering one here..
And I am now enlarging the font because I just learned how to do it—
but not on my phone.
I am addressing this question to those who believe such a sin is unpardonable - which I don't.
What does that say about the destiny of those presumptuously accusing Christians who speak in tongues of doing so by demonic power?
If a person is speaking in tongues by the power of the Holy Spirit and an accuser comes along and declares that the tongues are done by the power of demons/ satan then they have blasphemed the Holy Spirit and will never have forgiveness just as Jesus said the scribes who accused Him of performing His miracles through the power of a demon would never have forgiveness..
One either believes what Jesus said or they don't.. Trusting what the LORD says is key to being a follower of the LORD and therefore covered by His atoning blood..
Is speaking in tongues a miracle?
If a person goes to a church and hears tongues for the first time and thinks it's evil have they blasphemed?
I was one of them
his is a big problem for those who think the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is publicly attributing His work to Satan and that such a deed is unforgivable. The door to heaven slams permanently shut on so many people. God's grace becomes hamstrung.
I am grateful that I sincerely don't believe the scriptures are saying what you think they are saying.