The Tribulation: Part I - Refinement, Not Removal

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memberofthebride said:
if this does not help then there is nothing I can offer

9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army

11Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

12Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

13And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

14And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD.
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Yours is not a common view. Are you United Church of God?

The bible says....

Hebrews 9:27 "It is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment."

2 Corinthians 6:2 "Now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation."

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Romans 2:14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

So no, what you're claiming isn't going to happen.


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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Yours is not a common view. Are you United Church of God?

The bible says....

Hebrews 9:27 "It is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment."

after you die then at the 2nd resurrection you are judged over a another life time

2 Corinthians 6:2 "Now is the time of God’s favor, now is the day of salvation."

For those called now -- this is the day of judgement and the day of salvation

Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Yes, there is no excuse, but the MANY have never been given the Holy Spirit, with out the Holy spirit in a person there is no path to salvation. they are not being judged for eternal life.

Romans 2:14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

answer me one question :--- over the last few thousand years there have been countless children murdered, killed by accidents, war, diseases, animals etc are they going to hell to suffer for eternity??

I know heaven is not where anyone goes -- so what happens to these little children, are they ""saved"" and if so why have I had to suffer through almost 90 years with the possibility of not making it? all the pain and suffering, my wife died 4 years ago that was painful.

The Word of God states; All, every last person ever conceived in the womb, will have their one chance for eternal life. including little children. all

my wife will be in the First Resurrection!

I will add one more;
Christ came to confirm the marriage agreement with His Bride.
It is confirmed.
Only the Bride of Christ is being called and chosen, for the last 2000 years it is only the Bride of Christ that is being called and prepared. 100 billion will be called and given their one chance after the 1000 years and the Bride will be ruling with her husband bringing billions of sons into the family of GOD.




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Please move your replies out of my post so it's easier to distinguish which are mine and which are yours.


Children who haven't reached the age of accountability don't go to hell.

After that, we are all accountable to God because He's made Himself evident in what He made.


I remember when I entered the age of accountability. I was 11 and said something I knew was bad to say and I felt so bad about it, that it felt like I turned a chapter in my life.

The feeling was so strong that I started to wonder if God really existed. And that wonder stayed with me all my teenage life.

That's when God started to draw me and I got saved when I was 17.


So God will draw people to Himself if they are interested in getting to know Him further from what is evident whether 6,000 years ago or today.


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1 Thess 1

They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

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9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Omegatime said:
1 Thess 1

They tell how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead—Jesus, who rescues us from the coming wrath.

5:9

9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
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that does not say actual Followers of Christ will not suffering persecution and even death by beheading, as is foretold by Christ.

God's Wrath that is coming is upon those refusing to obey and allow Christ to tell them what they can and can not do. The Lawless!

Verse 9 does not mean or point to, a rapture to escape pain! Those that follow Christ will suffer tribulation exactly as Christ did! and Christ said all will suffer.

All but one of the 12 Apostles were put to death, horrendous, painful death -- but to day, christians are so righteous they will be exempt??
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Can't find Bible verses to support your crazy doctrine? It's because it's not in there.


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A good starting place would be to study the purpose of the 7 year tribulation. it is called Jacobs trouble because The Times of the Gentiles is completed at the rapture.
And now God turns his attention to his covenant. People Israel. There is a reason why the church is not mentioned anywhere during that tribulation. Except those that are left behind and beheaded.
 
Psalm1 said:
A good starting place would be to study the purpose of the 7 year tribulation. it is called Jacobs trouble because The Times of the Gentiles is completed at the rapture.
And now God turns his attention to his covenant. People Israel. There is a reason why the church is not mentioned anywhere during that tribulation. Except those that are left behind and beheaded.
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I wasn't talking to you about the rapture in that post. That was directed at someone else.

Not worried about the rapture at all.


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There is an interesting twist for those that had adhere to the replacement theology doctrine.
Since the Jews no longer exist in their strange doctrine, and the 7 year tribulation ( Israel's trouble) , is now belonging to the church?
Wow, once a person accepts false doctrine, it's like they prophesy all that pain, anguish, and hell, onto themselves
 
Psalm1 said:
There is an interesting twist for those that had adhere to the replacement theology doctrine.
Since the Jews no longer exist in their strange doctrine, and the 7 year tribulation ( Israel's trouble) , is now belonging to the church?
Wow, once a person accepts false doctrine, it's like they prophesy all that pain, anguish, and hell, onto themselves
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No one was talking about replacement theology either. It doesn't exist, so Im not worried about that too.


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Omegatime said:
For those who believe in replacement theology do not understand the scriptures and are very foolish
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Why are you talking about replacement theology here? There's already a discussion thread specifically about that.

It doesn't exist anyway, not something God will do, so don't worry about it.


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BBerean said:
It says blessed is he that has part in the 1st resurrection, not the 2nd or third resurrection. Also this first resurrection happens at the LAST Trumpet in revelation, at the coming of Lord Jesus . So this is the last day it all fits together.
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After the mil is the general resurrection. It says "the sea gave up her dead".

The GWTJ is what the entire population of earth is resurrected to.

That is 1000 years apart from the dead in Christ exclusive first resurrection and your erroneous "only resurrection".

You assume dynamics and it is flawed.

Ahem..1st resurrection is Jesus FIRST AS FIRSTFRUITS, THEN the dead in Christ.

You guys do not EVER seem to get into PURPOSE.
GODS PURPOSES.

Ask yourself why we need a resurrection.
Then LET THAT be a starting place.
Without any clue as to PURPOSES, UNDERSTANDING WILL BE a fog.

Look at the TRUE PURPOSE of the gt.

NOW...Look at what the op concocted as the purpose.

That alone produces no red flags???????
 
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2ndTimeIsTheCharm said:
Why are you talking about replacement theology here? There's already a discussion thread specifically about that.

It doesn't exist anyway, not something God will do, so don't worry about it.


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Why do you think "replacement" theology in its final conclusion changes the 144,000, Israel as a people, the tribes, and the 144,000 as firstfruits?

IOW ....THE OP PRECISELY Lines up with THAT in his mishandling of scripture.

"RT"....IS RIGHT ON TOPIC. IT DIRECTLY CUTS INTO THE OP.
 
Psalm1 said:
After the mil is the general resurrection. It says "the sea gave up her dead".

The GWTJ is what the entire population of earth is resurrected to.

That is 1000 years apart from the dead in Christ exclusive first resurrection and your erroneous "only resurrection".

You assume dynamics and it is flawed.

Ahem..1st resurrection is Jesus FIRST AS FIRSTFRUITS, THEN the dead in Christ.

You guys do not EVER seem to get into PURPOSE.
GODS PURPOSES.

Ask yourself why we need a resurrection.
Then LET THAT be a starting place.
Without any clue as to PURPOSES, UNDERSTANDING WILL BE a fog.

Look at the TRUE PURPOSE of the gt.

NOW...Look at what the op concocted as the purpose.

That alone produces no red flags???????
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He's talking about the first resurrection. He didn't say or imply that it's the last.

Please read more carefully and not blame others for things you misunderstood.


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