The Tribulation: Part I - Refinement, Not Removal

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Psalm1 said:
After the mil is the general resurrection. It says "the sea gave up her dead".

The GWTJ is what the entire population of earth is resurrected to.

That is 1000 years apart from the dead in Christ exclusive first resurrection and your erroneous "only resurrection".

You assume dynamics and it is flawed.

Ahem..1st resurrection is Jesus FIRST AS FIRSTFRUITS, THEN the dead in Christ.

You guys do not EVER seem to get into PURPOSE.
GODS PURPOSES.

Ask yourself why we need a resurrection.
Then LET THAT be a starting place.
Without any clue as to PURPOSES, UNDERSTANDING WILL BE a fog.

Look at the TRUE PURPOSE of the gt.

NOW...Look at what the op concocted as the purpose.

That alone produces no red flags???????[/QUOTE



It is refreshing to find a person that understand Truth!
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Psalm1 said:
After the mil is the general resurrection. It says "the sea gave up her dead".

The GWTJ is what the entire population of earth is resurrected to.

That is 1000 years apart from the dead in Christ exclusive first resurrection and your erroneous "only resurrection".

You assume dynamics and it is flawed.

Ahem..1st resurrection is Jesus FIRST AS FIRSTFRUITS, THEN the dead in Christ.

You guys do not EVER seem to get into PURPOSE.
GODS PURPOSES.

Ask yourself why we need a resurrection.
Then LET THAT be a starting place.
Without any clue as to PURPOSES, UNDERSTANDING WILL BE a fog.

Look at the TRUE PURPOSE of the gt.

NOW...Look at what the op concocted as the purpose.

That alone produces no red flags???????
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Seems you are confused to me . The Bible says blessed are they that have part in the 1st resurrection of the dead in Christ . Obviously there are more resurrections.
 
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BBerean said:
Seems you are confused to me . The Bible says blessed are they that have part in the 1st resurrection of the dead in Christ . Obviously there are more resurrections.
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then explain what is taught by Christ to John

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. should be a comma here This [is] the first resurrection. refers back to those that reign with Christ for 1000 years.

The rest of the dead, not resurrected by the first resurrection, are resurrected after the 1000 years, this can only be a second resurrection,

6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,( those resurrected first, at the return of Christ) and shall reign with him a thousand years.

yes I fully realize the human mind can twist any thing --but this is very clear.

and there is actually a third -- to condemnation and to the Lake of Fire.

"three" is God's number for completion
 
memberofthebride said:
then explain what is taught by Christ to John

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. should be a comma here This [is] the first resurrection. refers back to those that reign with Christ for 1000 years.

The rest of the dead, not resurrected by the first resurrection, are resurrected after the 1000 years, this can only be a second resurrection,

6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,( those resurrected first, at the return of Christ) and shall reign with him a thousand years.

yes I fully realize the human mind can twist any thing --but this is very clear.

and there is actually a third -- to condemnation and to the Lake of Fire.

"three" is God's number for completion
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BBerean said:
It sounds to me like you are able to read the Bible for yourself! Congratulations! Ask The Lord to explain it to you if you need clarification. I have and it’s wonderful!
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so it does not say, what it says??

Question.. there are possibly 75 billion or more that never heard the only name under heaven by which men can be given eternal life --- is your god sending them to hell to suffer for eternity?? if so count me out.

what about the millions of children that died at 2 or 3 or 6 months old?
 
memberofthebride said:
then explain what is taught by Christ to John

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. should be a comma here This [is] the first resurrection. refers back to those that reign with Christ for 1000 years.

The rest of the dead, not resurrected by the first resurrection, are resurrected after the 1000 years, this can only be a second resurrection,

6 Blessed and holy [is] he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,( those resurrected first, at the return of Christ) and shall reign with him a thousand years.

yes I fully realize the human mind can twist any thing --but this is very clear.

and there is actually a third -- to condemnation and to the Lake of Fire.

"three" is God's number for completion
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You listed 2 resurrections.
 
BBerean said:
Read 2 Thessalonians carefully whole book . 1 v 10 end of verse , “in that day” that’s the day Jesus spoke of . Read verse 2 v 3 Let no man deceive you by any means : “for that day “ shall not come , except there come a falling away first , and that man of sin , be revealed , the son of perdition… KJV the false teachers at that time claimed that Jesus came and they where left behind , so it’s not a new doctrine. But take head the anti christ comes before “that day “
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You seem to have invented a problem.
Of course the AC is REVEALED, AND THEN THE RAPTURE.
That is what it says.
But it does not prove any smoking gun that you are inventing.

That is a huge problem with postribbers.
They go extra biblical and attempt to destroy the messenger, while hoping to divert from God's Word.

We KNOW the AC is revealed and then shortly after is the rapture.
Fits pretrib rapture perfectly.

You guys invented and added : " the AC is in power for 7 years and then the rapture"

And made it a pillar of your false doctrine.

SMH
 
BBerean said:
I happened to come to my understanding of the 1st resurrection, by reading the Bible not listening to theories of men which are endless genealogies. As Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and they follow me . I heard Jesus in John ch 6 loud and clear and I still follow his voice found in the scriptures. Thanks for your time prayer for understanding is so important when reading the word of God . By the way George muller and others dismissed JN Darby as an innovator of scripture. I found that out after reading for my self in the Bible ! Praise the Lord continue in his word and the truth will set you free ! Amen I have utmost peace and confidence in the truth ! I’m not here to argue, just share the blessings!
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Now read the pretrib rapture verses.

Jesus said them.
Maybe start hearing all Jesus said instead of worrying about Darby and other dead men your doctrine molested.
 
BBerean said:
I happened to come to my understanding of the 1st resurrection, by reading the Bible not listening to theories of men which are endless genealogies. As Jesus said my sheep hear my voice and they follow me . I heard Jesus in John ch 6 loud and clear and I still follow his voice found in the scriptures. Thanks for your time prayer for understanding is so important when reading the word of God . By the way George muller and others dismissed JN Darby as an innovator of scripture. I found that out after reading for my self in the Bible ! Praise the Lord continue in his word and the truth will set you free ! Amen I have utmost peace and confidence in the truth ! I’m not here to argue, just share the blessings!
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No pretribber has a problem with the 1st resurrection.
But few in either camp know the parts of the first resurrection.
"First-fruits" would be a good place to start learning.
 
Psalm1 said:
You listed 2 resurrections.
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don't understand your statement;

but here are the three

First Resurrection: to Eternal life -- this is "The better Resurrection"
Second: to flesh and blood and to judgement over a life time -- this is The Great White Throne Judgement found in Revelation
Third: to be condemned to eternal death by burning to ashes in the Lake of Fire. ceasing to exist forever.

there is no "Hell", that is a catholic desire for all that are not catholic.
 
memberofthebride said:
don't understand your statement;

but here are the three

First Resurrection: to Eternal life -- this is "The better Resurrection"
Second: to flesh and blood and to judgement over a life time -- this is The Great White Throne Judgement found in Revelation
Third: to be condemned to eternal death by burning to ashes in the Lake of Fire. ceasing to exist forever.

there is no "Hell", that is a catholic desire for all that are not catholic.
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The word Hell has always been a poor translation. Should have been Hades where Paradise and temporary place of torment is before judgement for Lake of Fire. Sheol and Hades share same meaning
 
Here is another resurrection that the scholars missed . Jesus said Lazarus come forth ! Amen there are others so please don’t hold me to your ignorance!
 
Omegatime said:
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The word Hell has always been a poor translation. Should have been Hades where Paradise and temporary place of torment is before judgement for Lake of Fire. Sheol and Hades share same meaning
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God is mercy, He put to death
BBerean said:
Here is another resurrection that the scholars missed . Jesus said Lazarus come forth ! Amen there are others so please don’t hold me to your ignorance!
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Christ brought back many to physical life during His 3 1/2 years --- and then they all died later. is Lazarus still alive today?

this proves Christ has the power of life and death

there are 3 resurrections in God's plan of salvation! that is a fact.
 
I’m not responding to anymore ignorant comments! Please study the Bible prayerfully and put away the books you found in men’s libraries, and don’t entertain ai stupidity! Thanks and God bless !
 
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Well, you have convinced me, this is my last post, the confusion is greater then I thought possible.

The 45,000 flavors of Confusions must and will continue until TRUTH comes with THE KING of Kings.
 
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