Because you do not approve of the Scriptural interpretation i posted, does not abrogate any part of it with meaningless opinion!
Quasar92
THE RAPTURE
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Because you do not approve of the Scriptural interpretation i posted, does not abrogate any part of it with meaningless opinion!
Quasar92
Let's start here.
Christ is the only FIRSTFRUIT. Christ was the first and only resurrected to a new incorruptible body. To date, no one other than Christ has been resurrected physically with their new bodies. Nobody will receive their new body until the Second Coming. This is what Paul is saying.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming.
Here Paul is only talking about the physical or second resurrection. Paul teaches both the first, or spiritual resurrection and the second, the physical resurrection here.
Rom 8:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
So, we have to be careful when discussing the resurrection, which one we are discussing.
If you are one who doesn't understand the difference between the first and second resurrection, you need to take the time to study and understand it. It isn't that hard once you think it through because in reality every Christian understands, they just get confused between the two.
EVERYONE: Born in sin or flesh. If never saved, they will die physically and later, after the physical resurrection, they will die spiritually (second death). They will be in the brand new bodies but with a dead soul forever apart from God.
SAVED: When a believer comes to Christ he is becomes a "new man" and is "born again" having put to death their sinful flesh. This is the first resurrection over which the second death has no power. This is the ETERNAL LIFE. At this moment, their soul will forever live and never die. The living soul stays with the body until it dies then immediately goes to heaven. Nothing takes place in between. Christ freed the captives so the OT saints are now in heaven too along with everyone who believes. We don't die then get eternal life. We get eternal spiritual life right away. Otherwise, this passage would make no sense.
1 Thessalonians 5:10
who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.
Our soul or spirit having been transformed (1st resurrection) is now always with Christ whether we are alive or dead physically. We are the Temple of God and Christ dwells within us through His spirit.
For the longest time I was confused by Rev 20. I just recently got it.
Those beheaded souls are just that - souls. They are living and reigning with Christ right now!! They are reigning in heaven. This is true of any believer dead or alive. Right now Brother you and I are in the kingdom reigning with Christ. When we die the only thing that changes is our soul goes up there. The reigning continues. This concept is what makes Luke 17 true:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, “The kingdom of God does not come with observation; [SUP]21 [/SUP]nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you.”
We are all (believers) in the Kingdom right now and remain in the kingdom at death. Can I get a hallelujah?
John actually gives us a big clue by showing us the beheaded and it backs up what I said about the Beast. The Beast was the Ottoman Empire. The entire Ottoman Empire was a Caliphate. They set out to establish a one-world religion and government based on Islam. This is taught by Islam.
The Qur'an says in Sura (chapter) 47 contains the ayah (verse): "When you encounter the unbelievers on the battlefield, strike off their heads until you have crushed them completely. Sura 8:12 reads: "I will cast dread into the hearts of the unbelievers. Strike off their heads, then, and strike off all of their fingertips."
The reason they behead is in the old days the neck was the only place not protected by armor. Beheading those not of Islamic faith goes all the way back to the false prophet, Muhammad, when he ordered the execution by decapitation of 700 men of the Jewish Banu Qurayza tribe in Medina for allegedly plotting against him. So, there has been more than 1,000 years of beheaded saints in heaven already.
As we see at the 5th seal they are crying out for revenge but must wait until the mortally wounded head of the beasts kills the rest that they will kill and they have started doing it now.
Meaningless? Opinion? I think not. My interpretation is true and correct!!
First resurrection (Spiritual, each in our own order, when we become born again).
Second resurrection (physical) happens on last day for just and unjust.
There are no other resurrections.
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Wow, you are super fast
Oy, we just had bar b que hamburgers and smokies here at work
I am stuffed
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Oy, we just had bar b que hamburgers and smokies here at work
I am stuffed
(Looks down at peanutbutter sandwich,lets it just fall on floor)
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Originally Posted by Quasar92
Because you do not approve of the Scriptural interpretation i posted, does not abrogate any part of it with meaningless opinion!
Quasar92
Naw,naw,
That's not it at all
He took your Quaran,and raised you 92 Quasars.
Call!
Still waiting for any pre-tribber to answer this.
“Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city..."
If the 70th week is the Great Tribulation and the Great Tribulation is global in its scale, why does the angel, Gabriel tell Daniel that the 70 weeks are for his people and Jerusalem?
Common, one of you pre-tribbers must have a theory on this. Love to hear it!!!
“Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city..."
If the 70th week is the Great Tribulation and the Great Tribulation is global in its scale, why does the angel, Gabriel tell Daniel that the 70 weeks are for his people and Jerusalem?
Common, one of you pre-tribbers must have a theory on this. Love to hear it!!!
Firstfruits represented the first 10% of the harvest of every crop, both spring and fall of the year., for each and every yer, except the seventh, when no sowing and harvesting was to be done, to give the land rest.
1 Cor.15:23:"But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." KJV
Firstfruits - plural! Christ first - then all who belong to Him, who die physically He RAISES to heaven, EACH IN HIS OWN ORDER, recorded in 2 Cor.5:6-8, confirming Ecc.12:7! Beginning at Pentecost to this very day! All of whom return with Jesus when He returns for the rest of us who belong to Him, left here on earth alive, until He returns, recorded in 1 Thess.4:14-16. All firstfruits are born again Christians, which is s condition obtained when we first believe/receive Jesus as our personal Lord and Savior.
First Fruits are a religious offering of the first agricultural produce of the harvest. In classical Greek, Roman, Hebrew and Christian religions, the first fruits were given to priests to offer to God. First Fruits were often a primary source of income to maintain the religious leaders and the facility. Beginning in 1966 a unique "First Fruits" celebration brought the Ancient African harvest festivals that became the African American Holiday, Kwanzaa. This reminded them that God will provide for their every need.
Firstfruits and Tithes
Deut.26:1: "When you have entered the land the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance and have taken possession of it and settled in it, [SUP]2 [/SUP]take some of the firstfruits of all that you produce from the soil of the land the Lord your God is giving you and put them in a basket. Then go to the place the Lord your God will choose as a dwelling for his Name [SUP]3 [/SUP]and say to the priest in office at the time, “I declare today to the Lord your God that I have come to the land the Lord swore to our ancestors to give us.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP]"The priest shall take the basket from your hands and set it down in front of the altar of the Lord your God. [SUP]5 [/SUP]Then you shall declare before the Lord your God: “My father was a wandering Aramean, and he went down into Egypt with a few people and lived there and became a great nation, powerful and numerous. [SUP]6 [/SUP]But the Egyptians mistreated us and made us suffer, subjecting us to harsh labor. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Then we cried out to the Lord, the God of our ancestors, and the Lord heard our voice and saw our misery, toil and oppression."
[SUP]8 [/SUP]"So the Lord brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, with great terror and with signs and wonders. [SUP]9 [/SUP]He brought us to this place and gave us this land, a land flowing with milk and honey; [SUP]10 [/SUP]and now I bring the firstfruits of the soil that you, Lord, have given me.” Place the basket before the Lord your God and bow down before him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then you and the Levites and the foreigners residing among you shall rejoice in all the good things the Lord your God has given to you and your household."
[SUP]12 "[/SUP]When you have finished setting aside a tenth of all your produce in the third year, the year of the tithe, you shall give it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, so that they may eat in your towns and be satisfied. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then say to the Lord your God: “I have removed from my house the sacred portion and have given it to the Levite, the foreigner, the fatherless and the widow, according to all you commanded. I have not turned aside from your commands nor have I forgotten any of them."
[SUP]14 "[/SUP]I have not eaten any of the sacred portion while I was in mourning, nor have I removed any of it while I was unclean, nor have I offered any of it to the dead. I have obeyed the Lord my God; I have done everything you commanded me. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Look down from heaven, your holy dwelling place, and bless your people Israel and the land you have given us as you promised on oath to our ancestors, a land flowing with milk and honey.”
Quasar92
Dan.9:27 is the seven year week, in which the "middle of the week" on, is the Great Tribulation of 3.5 years. Daniel's people are being addressed, because the prophecy pertains exclusively to Israel. The Church has nothing whatever to do with it.
Quasar92
No! The wrath of God as well as the AC, the FP and the ten horns/nations allied to them, it is world wide. See the following:
Rev.13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Review also the bowl/vial judgments in Rev.16, where a great earthquake will flatten cities world wide, together with hail stones weighing 100 lbs.
Quasar92
Daniel 12:1-2
At that time Michael the great prince who protects your people,will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people - everyone whose name is found written in the book- will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake:some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 -18
According to the lords own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming od the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from Heaven with a loud command with the voice of the Archangel and with the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together in the clouds to meet the lord in the air. And we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words.
Michael is the Archangel of Daniel. He describes great distress of nations and the resurrection. This sounds very much like the tribulation to me. If so how can the rapture happen before the tribulation starts?
At that time Michael the great prince who protects your people,will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people - everyone whose name is found written in the book- will be delivered. Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake:some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt.
1 Thessalonians 4:15 -18
According to the lords own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming od the Lord will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord himself will come down from Heaven with a loud command with the voice of the Archangel and with the trumpet call of God and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together in the clouds to meet the lord in the air. And we will be with the Lord forever. Therefore encourage each other with these words.
Michael is the Archangel of Daniel. He describes great distress of nations and the resurrection. This sounds very much like the tribulation to me. If so how can the rapture happen before the tribulation starts?