THE RAPTURE

[popeye]

I have posted on another thread about the rapture.. So i will just say here that i believe in the rapture as a Biblical teaching.. What i definitely do not believe in is the pre-tribulation rapture that has a lot of popular support, i can understand why people would want such a doctrine to be true ( escaping persecution sounds wonderful) But the Bible supports the idea of a rapture that happens on the day of the second coming of Jesus.. And that happens After the tribulation. and during the wrath..

I did a thread on that subject.

I challenged postrib rapture adherents to provide a single verse.

Nothing materialized,outside of age old postrib debunked workbook passages.
Nothing at all pointing to a postrib rapture.

Among a few things postribs avoid is;

The wedding,marriage and purpose of the bride/groom

The impossibility of a rev 20 resurrection

The absence of any post judgement dynamics or protocol that postrib base their conjecture on

The indisputable prejudgment components documented in the bible.

The parable of the 10 virgins.


Compare those ,examine those then make a decision.

 

[popeye]

Why do postrib rapture adherents avoid purpose?

 

[popeye]

Scriptural proof for the pre-tribrapture of the Church:





The Scriptures are crystal clear where Jesus will meet His Church, in 1 Thess.4:17: "After that, we who are still alive and are left, WILL BE CAUGHT UP TOGETHER with them in the clouds TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. And so we will be with the Lord forever." In the FIRST of His TWO comings, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16, yet to take place, confirming Jn.14:2-3, 28! From where the Church is seen in heaven BEFORE the tribulation begins, in Rev.4:1-2. Where Jesus used John to symbolically represent the Church. Confirming 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8! Where the Church is seen in heaven later, at the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus. While the tribulation is taking place on earth, recorded in Rev.19:7-8. From where Jesus will return to the earth in the SECOND, of His TWO comings, yet to take place, WITH HIS CHURCH, riding white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, in His armies from heaven, recorded in 19:14, confirming Zech.14:4-5 and Acts 1:6; 1:11; 2:29-30 and 15:16! From which the above Scriptures leave no other options!

The difference between the pre-trib rapture of the Church, as delineated above, and the SECOND coming of Jesus are the following facts:

1. Jesus returns to the earth in His second coming, recorded in Zech.14:4-5 and in Acts 1:11.

2. No one meets Jesus in the sky when He returns in His second coming, recorded in Rev.19:14, as they will when He returns for the first time, recorded in 1 Thess.4:16!.

3. Jesus will return from the marriage of the Bride/Church to the Lamb/Jesus, in heaven, in His second coming, to the earth, with His Church, recorded in Rev.19:14, He came for in His first coming, in the clouds of the sky, seven years before, recorded in Jn.14:2-3, 28, 1 Thess.4:16-17 and 2 Thess.2:3 and 7-8.

4. No one returns to the present heaven at Jesus second coming to the earth, because He has come to establish His 1,000 year reign on the throne of David, in the restored kingdom of Israel, as recorded in Acts 1:6; 2:29-30; 15:16; Zech.6:12-13 described in Ez.40-47 and Rev.20:6. In addition to the present heaven and earth being destroyed and will pass away, as recorded in 2 Pet.3:7 and in Rev.21:1.


Quasar92

Rev 14 makes a rev 20 resurrection impossible

 

[Quasar92]

I have posted on another thread about the rapture.. So i will just say here that i believe in the rapture as a Biblical teaching.. What i definitely do not believe in is the pre-tribulation rapture that has a lot of popular support, i can understand why people would want such a doctrine to be true ( escaping persecution sounds wonderful) But the Bible supports the idea of a rapture that happens on the day of the second coming of Jesus.. And that happens After the tribulation. and during the wrath..

The translation history of 1 Thess.2:3 documented in post #501 fully confirm the timing of the pre-trib rapture of the Church.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

Rev 14 makes a rev 20 resurrection impossible

The following Scripture refute any such guesswork:

Rev.20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev.14 are events that will take place during the tribulation the Church does not go through.


Quasar92

 

[popeye]

The following Scripture refute any such guesswork:

Rev.20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Rev.14 are events that will take place during the tribulation the Church does not go through.


Quasar92

Then the dead do not rise first under your template.

there are at least 2 harvests during the gt in rev 14.

It is impossible to place a resurrection in rev 20.

 

[PlainWord]

[h=2]Scriptural proof for the pre-tribrapture

I noticed you left out the dead rise first in 1thes 4.

I don't know if you realize the quandary in making the resurrection post trib. Post wrath for you wrath guys.

If the graves open in rev 20, where you seem to place that event,then we have the main harvest,and the 3 harvests in rev 14 PRECEDING the dead raised.

Not trying to make you mad but not going to wink at that quandary either

Only one physical resurrection and it is for both the just and unjust and it happens on the very last day of this present earth age.

Acts 24:15

I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.

Daniel 12:2
And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

So the clear teaching of the Word is that both righteous and wicked are resurrected at the same time and it is on the last day. It has to be on the last day because otherwise we would need more than one physical resurrection and only one is taught.

Daniel was told he would rise on the last day.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]“But you, go your way till the end; for you shall rest, and will arise to your inheritance at the end of the days.”

Therefore there can be no resurrection before Israel is attacked (Great Tribulation) because days are needed for the Great Tribulation (up to 45 days to be exact).

Immediately following the resurrection of the just and unjust we have the Rapture. I only see two harvests in Rev 14. Where are you getting the third one from? BTW, these 2 harvests in Rev 14 are the separation of the sheep and goats. Christ is back, sitting on His throne of glory and the nations are brought before Him. You can read about this in Mat 25.

There is no need for any additional physical resurrections and it only happens once. Nice and clean. This one resurrection is called the second resurrection. The first one is spiritual and only Believers take part in the first one which is why the second death has no power over us.

 

[popeye]

Very well said, bro. May I provide the teachings of the coming pre-trib rapture of the Church, as Jesus, Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, provided us in the following:

The Biblical teaching of the pre-trib rapture of the Church




Beginning with Mt.24:31:
[/B] And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His ELECT from the four winds [Israel - on earth], from one end of the heavens to the other [The Church Jesus will rapture before the seven year tribulation begins]. How did those ELECT get into heaven? Read on to find out.

Lk.21:36:
"Watch ye, therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."

Jn.14:2-4 and 28:
"In my Father's house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you [See Jn.20:17]. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going." [Jn.14:2-4].

"You heard me say, 'I am going away and I am coming back to you.' If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I." [Jn.14:28].

The Scriptures tell us where we all go, who belong to Christ, after the death of our bodies:
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." As recorded in 2 Cor.5:8, confirming Ecc.12:7. Which is, in and of itself, conclusive to the fact that Jesus is not going to let the rest of His Church remain on earth to go through the seven year tribulation, when He returns for those of us who are still alive, waiting for His appearing, in 1 Thes.4:17. Since He raises all those who have died, to be with Him, immediately after their physical death, for more than 2,000 years.

A look at 1 Thes.4:13-18:
The Thessalonians were very concerned about those among them who had died, that they would not be gathered together with the rest of them when Jesus returned. Paul assures them in vs 13-14 that they will all be returning with Christ from heaven, where they have been since He raised them up to be with Him, the day they died physically, according to 2 Cor.5:6-8.

"We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him [Died physically]. Vs 14.

"According to the Lord's own word [Scriptural truth as to the fact that Jesus taught there was to be a pre-trib rapture of the Church, as recorded in Jn.14:2-4 and 28], we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep." Vs 15. An assurance by Paul to the Thessalonians that the dead in Christ had already been raised from the dead before, and were already with Christ when He returns for all those left on earth alive at His coming.

Because they have already been raised, each in his/her own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23. That is the very reason it is not documented as a resurrection in the Scriptures.

"For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven [With all His saints [Church], according to vs 14], with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first" [Paul again assures them, as seen in verses 13-14, they were already previously raised once before, each in his/her own turn, as they died, for more than 2,000 years]. Vs 16.

"After that, we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP [raptured] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the sky. And so we will be with the Lord forever." Vs 17. Where we proceed with Jesus to our Father in heaven as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

"Therefore encourage each other with these words." Vs 18.

2 Thess.2:1-8: The precise timing of the rapture of the Church:
"Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to Him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the Day of the Lord [The 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation of Dan.9:27] has already come." 2 Thes.2:1-2. Which is a direct reference to 1 Thes.4:17 and the theme of Paul's entire pre-trib rapture message in 2 Thes.2:1-8. When we will be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM IN THE CLOUDS TO MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR. [Parenthetics mine].

The "Day of the Lord" Paul refers to in vs 2, alludes to Dan.9:27, when God will intervene into the affairs of man for the last time, culminating in the second coming of Jesus to the earth. In that passage of Scripture, the Day of the Lord is triggered by the "he" who "confirms a covenant [An agreement] for one Week" [The Day of the Lord/ 70th and final Week/seven year tribulation], who is the antichrist. The second, and same "he," who stops Israel from the offerings and sacrificing in the temple of God, and the third, and same "he," who breaks his covenant in the middle of the Week [After 3.5 of the 7 year total], and sets up the abomination of desolation Jesus referred to in Mt.24:15, in His Olivet Discourse, about the sign of His second coming, and of the end of the age.

In vs 3: "Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that Day [The Day of the Lord, the 70th and final Week, the seven year tribulation] will not come, until the "apostasia" [Greek term in which the original translation was "to depart," or "departure," meaning, the rapture of the Church] occurs and the man of lawlessness [The antichrist, and all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27] is revealed [Who triggers the Day of the Lord/ the 70th and final Week/ the seven year tribulation], the man doomed to destruction." Which reveals the "apostasia" [Departure] will take place before the antichrist is revealed, who triggers the 70th Week/seven year tribulation. Confirmed in verses 7 and 8 below.

Translation History of apostasia and discessio: By Thomas Ice, PhD.
The first seven English translations of apostasia all rendered the noun as either " departure" or " departing." They are as follows: Wycliffe Bible (1384); Tyndale Bible (1526); Coverdale Bible (1535); Cranmer Bible (1539); Breeches Bible (1576); Beza Bible (1583); Geneva Bible (1608) . This supports the notion that the word truly means " departure." In fact, Jerome' s Latin translation known as the Vulgate from around the time of 325 A.D. renders apostasia with the " word discessio, meaning ' departure.' Why was the King James Version the first to depart from the established translation of "departure" in 1611 A.D.? [It is more than likely due to overzealous RCC scribes who altered the original wording of vs 3. to accommodate their teachings of Amillenialism, which rejects both the pre-trib rapture of the Church as well as Jesus Millennial reign her on earth].

Theodore Beza, the Swiss reformer was the first to transliterate apostasia and create a new word, rather than translate it as others had done. The translators of the King James Version were the first to introduce the new rendering of apostasia as " falling away." Most English translators have followed the KJV and Beza in departing from translating apostasia as " departure." No reason was ever given.

From: http://www.raptureready.com/featured...onians2_3.html

"He [The antichrist] will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." Vs 4. [The abomination of desolation, confirming Dan.9:27 and Mt.24:15]. See also 2 Thes.2:4.

The rapture of the Church and verse 3 confirmed:
In vs 7: "For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so until he [The saints - Church] is taken out of the way."

The "he" who will be taken out of the way, is the one body of Christ, who bear the Holy Spirit within each of us [Eph.1:13-14], the Church of Jesus Christ. The very same as those who will participate in the "apostasia," the "departure," [the rapture] of the Church, in vs 3. Immediately following that:

In vs 8: "And then the lawless one [The antichrist] will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of His mouth and destroy by the splendor of His coming." Vs 8. [See Rev.19:17-21].

The antichrist is found in all three of the "he's" in Dan. 9:27, confirmed by Jesus in Mt.24:15; Mk.13:14 and by Paul, in 2 Thes.2:3, 4 and 8.

From the above Scriptural facts, there can be only one proper interpretation for the timing of the rapture of the Church, which will be immediately preceding the 70th and final/7 year tribulation, triggered by the antichrist, all three of the "he's" in Dan.9:27. Seen also as the first of the four horsemen of the apocalypse, riding the white horse, in the first of the seven seals, in Rev.6:2. There is no "pre-wrath" or post-trib rapture taught in the Scriptures.


Other verses pertaining to the rapture of the Church: 1 Thes.1:10; 1 Thes.5:9; Rev.3:10 and Rev.4:1-2. Of the saints [Church] returning with Christ from their marriage in heaven, in Rev.19:7, 8 and 14; Jude 14 and Zech.14:4-5!


The difference between the Second Coming of Christ and the pre-trib rapture of the Church:

http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice...eenTheRapt.pdf


Quasar92

"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." As recorded in 2 Cor.5:8, confirming Ecc.12:7. Which is, in and of itself, conclusive to the fact that Jesus is not going to let the rest of His Church remain on earth to go through the seven year tribulation, when He returns for those of us who are still alive, waiting for His appearing, in 1 Thes.4:17. Since He raises all those who have died, to be with Him, immediately after their physical death, for more than 2,000 years.

See what you did?

The bible says absent from the body,and you call that a resurrection (raised to be exact)
(ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE BODY IS RAISED IN A RESURRECTION?)

we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left to the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep." Vs 15. An assurance by Paul to the Thessalonians that the dead in Christ had already been raised from the dead before, and were already with Christ when He returns for all those left on earth alive at His coming.

Because they have already been raised, each in his/her own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23. That is the very reason it is not documented as a resurrection in the Scriptures.

No sir. You are MAKING it say that.

"For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven [With all His saints [Church], according to vs 14], with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first" [Paul again assures them, as seen in verses 13-14, they were already previously raised once before, each in his/her own turn, as they died, for more than 2,000 years]. Vs 16.

No,he makes no such case for a previous resurrection.

"After that, we who are still alive and are left will be CAUGHT UP [raptured] together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the sky. And so we will be with the Lord forever." Vs 17. Where we proceed with Jesus to our Father in heaven as He promised us in Jn.14:2-4 and 28.

No,it doesnt say 'after that'. You are inserting that to mean "a span of time"

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


If what you say is true it would read "Which were risen" PAST TENSE


Then we which are alive[and] remain shall be caughtup together with them in theclouds, to meet the Lord in theair: and so shall we ever bewith the Lord.

 

[Quasar92]

[h=2]Scriptural proof for the pre-tribrapture

I noticed you left out the dead rise first in 1thes 4.

I don't know if you realize the quandary in making the resurrection post trib. Post wrath for you wrath guys.

If the graves open in rev 20, where you seem to place that event,then we have the main harvest,and the 3 harvests in rev 14 PRECEDING the dead raised.

Not trying to make you mad but not going to wink at that quandary either

Verse 15 is recorded in post#501, and included in verse 17. It refers to all of us who belong to Christ, left here on earth alive, at His coming, will not precede those who have previously died in Him [Those who have "fallen asleep"] Who will meet the Lord in the clouds of the sky TOGETHER, in verse 17. Take special note of the fact that all of those left on earth alive, when Jesus comes for them, in verses 15-16, with all those who previously died in Him, in verse 14, are TRANSLATED. In the same way Enoch and Elijah were. Keep in mind, the word of Paul, in 1 Cor.15:51-52, that "we shall not all sleep," together with "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, in verse 50.

Verse 16 is not a resurrection for reasons I have thoroughly set forth in another post. Primarily, because Jesus told John, the FIRST resurrection of the tribulation martyrs/saints is, in Rev.20:4, SEVEN years later. There are only TWO general resurrections in the Bible; the first one in Rev.20:4 and the second one, 1,000 years later, at the GWTJ, recorded in Rev.20:11

Nowhere in the Bible is anything written, to deny the probability when the believer dies, we immediately receive our glorified, immortal body. At the time when our physical body dies, and Jesus raises us to heaven, recorded in 2 Cor.5:6-8, confirming Ecc.12:7. And then again, when all those left on earth alive at Jesus coming, who will all be translated. It is also more than likely, from that point on, all believers, the Church, will have the same power to physically materialize as we find taking place in Gen.18, 19 and 32; Jos.5:13-15; Dan.3:24-25 and 12:7, as well as in other places. Or the reverse of that, as we find in the case of Jesus not being seen by either Sul or his entourage, while on the road to Damascus, in Acts9:7.

The only quandry about the first resurrection being post trib, is that of your own. Keep in mind, the Church age ends with the pre-trib rapture of the Church, in Jn.14:2-3, 28; 1 Thess.4:16-17 and in 2 Thess.2:1-8. No pre-trib believer will go through any part of the seven year tribulation. There is NO ONE from the Church believers who will take part in the first resurrection, because they are already with Christ from the time of the pre-trib rapture, seven years before. Jesus will end the seven year tribulation, in Rev.19:11-21, before the first resurrection takes place, where the Church saints are all WITH Him, in His armies from heaven, in verse 14.

Rev.14 pertains to the 144,000 Israelite evangelists, God will place on the earth, in the absence of the raptured Church, in Rev.7:1-17, being translated back to heaven after completing their mission of bringing the great multitude to the Lord, during the tribulation It has nothing whatever to d with the resurrections. I don't "place" where the resurrections will occur, popeye, the Bible does.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

[QUOTE by popey]

The bible says absent from the body,and you call that a resurrection (raised to be exact)
(ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE BODY IS RAISED IN A RESURRECTION?)[/QUOTE]


That is a false statement! I have never made any such ridiculous claims! Review Ecc.12:7;Lk.16:18-25; Rev.6:9-13 and 7:9-17 to learn what happens to the spirit/soul when the physical body dies! It is raised out of the gody, like the "out of body" experiences some have had !

Your problem seems to be that you either do not read, or you don't understand what you have read!


Quasar02

 

[popeye]

[QUOTE by popey]

The bible says absent from the body,and you call that a resurrection (raised to be exact)
(ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE BODY IS RAISED IN A RESURRECTION?)

That is a false statement! I have never made any such ridiculous claims! Review Ecc.12:7;Lk.16:18-25; Rev.6:9-13 and 7:9-17 to learn what happens to the spirit/soul when the physical body dies! It is raised out of the gody, like the "out of body" experiences some have had !

Your problem seems to be that you either do not read, or you don't understand what you have read!


Quasar02[/QUOTE]

Try and say " absent from the body"

There is no" raised"

Raised is used for the body,not the spirit

 

[popeye]

Besides,I am not the one saying 1 the 4 is NOT a bodily resurrection.

That is ridiculous.

If the dead are not raised why is Paul saying "..as Christ rose from the dead,so also..."

 

[Magenta]

You guys have five minutes total to correct your editing errors. Could you please
use them to correct the repeated improper quoting methods? Thank you.

 

[PlainWord]

Again, the first resurrection is of the spirit. It happens to only Believers when they accept Christ. That's why its called becoming, "Born Again."

The second resurrection is for everyone. This happens on the last day to both saved and unsaved. The saved are gathered by Christ and enter the new Jerusalem. The unsaved are cast into everlasting punishment. Death and Hades are cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. For the SAVED, those who took part in the first resurrection, this second death has no power.

There are no other resurrections besides these two. First resurrection (spiritual) for the SAVED. Second resurrection for all those who died (physical). There are no parts or different times for the physical resurrection. Only Christ was resurrected earlier than the rest of the dead will be.

END OF STORY.

 

[PlainWord]

Besides,I am not the one saying 1 the 4 is NOT a bodily resurrection.

That is ridiculous.

If the dead are not raised why is Paul saying "..as Christ rose from the dead,so also..."

Popeye is correct!! 1 Thes 4 is the bodily, or second, resurrection.

 

[Quasar92]

popeye made the following remark pertaining to 1 Thess.4:16: Re:"The dead in Christ shall RISE first:"

Quasar92 wrote: "Because they have already been raised, each in his/her own turn, according to 1 Cor.15:23. That is the very reason it is not documented as a resurrection in the Scriptures."

"No sir. You are MAKING it say that."

From 1 Cor.15:23, addressed to believers: The firstfruits all RISE, each in his own turn,: beginning with the advent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, to the present day. as and when each believer dies physically, Jesus RAISES them to heaven, recorded in 2 Cor.5:6-8, confirming Ecc.12:7. When Jesus returns for the rest of His Church in 1 Thess.4:16, He will gring WITH Him, all of those firstfruits who previously died in Him physically.

Now, tell me why Jesus told John, the resurrection seven years after 1 Thess.4:16, in Rev.20:4, of the tribulation martyrs/saints id the FIRST one? Nowhere is 1 Thess.4:16 documented as a resurrection! Tell me why Jesus would be pulling bodies out of the grave when He is going to take us all to heaven with Him, where flesh and blood does not exist? Review Ecc.12:7 and Lk.16:19-25 for starters.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

Popeye is correct!! 1 Thes 4 is the bodily, or second, resurrection.

Post #536 refutes the above claim!

 

[PlainWord]

Post #536 refutes the above claim!

No it doesn't. You are reading it wrong. I will show you where you are going wrong by responding to 536 next.

 

[Quasar92]

Again, the first resurrection is of the spirit. It happens to only Believers when they accept Christ. That's why its called becoming, "Born Again."

The second resurrection is for everyone. This happens on the last day to both saved and unsaved. The saved are gathered by Christ and enter the new Jerusalem. The unsaved are cast into everlasting punishment. Death and Hades are cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. For the SAVED, those who took part in the first resurrection, this second death has no power.

There are no other resurrections besides these two. First resurrection (spiritual) for the SAVED. Second resurrection for all those who died (physical). There are no parts or different times for the physical resurrection. Only Christ was resurrected earlier than the rest of the dead will be.

END OF STORY.

There are only two general resurrections recorded in the Bible. Review post #538 that provides the Scriptural facts.


Quasar92

 

[Quasar92]

[/SIZE][/B]
That is a false statement! I have never made any such ridiculous claims! Review Ecc.12:7;Lk.16:18-25; Rev.6:9-13 and 7:9-17 to learn what happens to the spirit/soul when the physical body dies! It is raised out of the gody, like the "out of body" experiences some have had !

Your problem seems to be that you either do not read, or you don't understand what you have read!


Quasar02

Try and say " absent from the body"

There is no" raised"

Raised is used for the body,not the spirit[/QUOTE]



You simply do not read what I have poste! Read Ecc.12:7; Lk.16:19-25; 2 Cor.5:6-8; Rev.6:9-13 and 7:9-17 to learn what happens after the physical death of a believer. There are only two physical resurrections documented in the Bible! Rev.20:4-5!


Quasar92