The Rapture Thief Robs Jesuit Futurism Of The 7 Years Of Tribulation

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CS1,



I was speaking specifically about the promises Paul made to the Church of Thessolanika. Don't forget the same promise was made to the souls told to wait in Rev 6. God would round up all the rotten apples in the Roman Empire, AKA, the Jewish religious order in all the synagogues, who were persecuting Christians. As He said in Mat 13, First gather up all the tares to be bundled and burned, or something along those lines. The persecutors of those under the alter, all the martyrs, were gathered to Jerusalem and perished in the great tribulation or the fires that followed when Titus broke through the walls. Words have meaning and the literally way to take these passages is that this would happen to the one's responsible, the ones who killed the Son and His disciples and followers. "Vengeance is Mine, Saith the Lord, I will repay!!"



Paul is and was my hero, HE DID NOTHING IN VAIN.



In a way. The presence of the Lord can come without judgment but the Lord is always present for any of His Days of the Lord. Yes, Peter cited Joel stating they (Peter and his generation) were now living in those days foretold by Joel. You left out the best part of Acts 2, start back a little sooner:

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, raised his voice and said to them, “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and heed my words. 15 For these are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. 16 But this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:

17 ‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18 And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.

The spirit poured out was the Holy Spirit at Pentecost!!! I sincerely hope you realize this and understand the gravity of what was happening??? Please tell me you can see that!! Peter invokes Joel because Joel's prophesy was happening right then and now!! Peter is saying WE ARE NOT DRUNK, REMEMBER WHAT JOEL SAID? They taught (shall prophesy), they saw visions and dreams. This happened in the last days - their last days!



WOW, THIS TIME YOU STARTED CITIING ACTS 3 TOO LATE AND MISSED THE CONTEXT AGAIN. Let me pick up right before you started quoting:

22 For Moses truly said to the fathers, ‘The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brethren. Him you shall hear in all things, whatever He says to you. 23 And it shall be that every soul who will not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.’ 24 Yes, and all the prophets, from Samuel and those who follow, as many as have spoken, have also foretold these days.

The Prophet was JESUS!! Every soul that did not hear Jesus would be utterly destroyed from among the people. AND THEY WERE. Peter is saying basically every prophet from Samuel on down discussed the days they were living in. They certainly weren't talking about our days. They were living in the last days of their nation, their Jewish age, their age as God's Chosen nation. It was all about to end and they were going crazy about realizing it. The writer of Hebrews echoes what Paul says in Acts 3 and confirms they were in the last days.

Heb 1: God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;

I hope this helps straighten out your eschatological belief system? You are looking for certain things that happened long ago.

You clearly do not know Prophecy has a Forth telling and a foretelling. Peter said this promise is unto you and as many as the Lord Jesus shall call. Clearly, The Context of Joel 2 was not completed at Pentecost but is still happening today. The Spirit of God is still being poured out on men and women.

Nothing you have said changes what Jesus said about HIS coming for HIS saints.

 

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2 Peter 3:10 KJV says:

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up."​

Notice that "in the which" part? Peter is saying "in the same day the Lord comes as a thief, the heavens (atmosphere) disintegrate, the Periodic Table flips over, and the Earth and the things therein burn to a crisp. Does it sound like there's gonna be 7 more years of anything going on down here after all that? But, just when I thought I'd heard it all, a Jesuit Futurist stepped up and raised the bar to a whole new level of crazy:

"Oh, Peter's talking about the second time the Lord comes as a thief, at the end of the 7 years tribulation". ​

Now please...if Jesus was to sneak into town and sneak out with the saints, would there be anyone left behind on planet Earth in the dark about His return 7 years later? Think about it: Every calendar would be marked when all the Christians disappeared. CNN would have a "XXXX days left until the Lord returns" graphic running 24/7. Don King would activate the greatest event promotion of all time. TicketMaster and StubHub would be selling out as fast as they could print tickets. Times Square would be ready to drop the "Jesus Ball" at the final countdown...but that is the extent to which Jesuit Futurists are willing to go in order to cling to Jesuit Futurism. It's just not Biblical.

never can understand how one can be so driven to make doctrinal corrections of others YET hold to teaching from a False Prophet?.

There is no hell eternal?
The righteous dead don't go to heaven when they die
babies don't go to heaven
Right? SDA is more of a spiritual STD than anything very extreme.

 

[Phoneman-777]

as you know the strawman that has been laid here is very humorous. The human reasoning what completely removes the God factor in the equation.
"Peter says after Jesus comes as a thief in the night ("rapture"), the Earth is pretty much gonna look like someone detonated a couple bazillion nukes. "

What strawman? Jesuit Futurists claim the Rapture is when Jesus comes "as a thief in the night". So, I point out Peter says "the day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night, in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with fervent heat..." and describe it as a nuked planet, and you call that a "strawman"? FYI, a "strawman" argument is formulated by one falsely attributing statements to another followed by a refutation of those statements by that one so as to make the other appear to be in error, thereby eroding his credibility. I don't need to resort to such tactics in order to expose error, bro.

No Peter did not say that in Acts 2 you context of comes from 2Peter then I cause you to remember what is said in 2peter chapter verses 19-21

Speaking of "strawman", I've just found one! Where did I claim Peter said that in Acts? Post number, please...

And so we have the prophetic word confirmed,[fn] which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts;

knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation,[fn]

for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[fn] spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Three things here:

1. We have the prophetic word confirmed
2. no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation
3. God breathed all prophecy

Now the context of 2pet chapter 1 does not end that chapter. Peter continues to speak about false teachers and deception. In Chapter 3

Peter speaks about signs "Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), "

knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts,
and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”

This was question not about those who have only died in this present time it was one of all those who have died FROM The Beginning. The Beginning of what? Man existence.

The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[fn] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

I guess some had issues with the time frame of the Lord return.

If you want to accuse me of twisting Scripture or of privately interpreting it, just come out and say it...Good gravy, I thought you were long winded on the mic

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.[fn]

Jesus spoke about the thief too: Rev 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

Peter says:
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.

We who are alive are to be acting and waiting and occupying till HE comes.

I agree with all of this...but I'm not seeing how it proves Jesus is can surprise the world as "a thief in the night" twice when it will be more than ready after the first time.

You suggest that One is saying Jesus is coming two times as a thief is funny.

Sorry, but it's one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard, brother I need you to explain how it's possible Jesus can surprise anyone 7 years later after He comes as thief seven years earlier and turns the entire world upside down, and everyone realizes what's happened, realizes that Jesus is coming back in 7 years, and then begins counting down 7 years to the day when He is to come back? Like I said, it'll be Don King's greatest promotion, they'll be a Times Square ball drop, they'll be booking live performers, they'll be a countdown clock on every news channel, it will dominate Twitter, Facebook, Youtube, phones will be ringing off the hook with agents selling "Rapture Insurance", they'll be a 24 hour "Rapture" cable channel telling us what to wear, what hairstyle, what sunglasses, what brand of everything we'll need to get ready...right or wrong?

Jesus came as a Child, He rose from the dead, He ascended, He appeared to Paul, In 1thess 4:13-18 Jesus is ascending to receive His saints it doesn't say HE touches the mount. of Olives.

And how does this prove the "left behind" people are going to suddenly come down with "collective amnesia" and forget He's coming back in seven years? Are the Men In Black going to come and Flashy Thing everyone after Jesus comes as a "thief in the night" the first time? Help me out, brother!

 

[Phoneman-777]

I will not need your apology. Remember Jesus said sleep Paul said sleep and David prayed while HE was alive. Jesus is the resurrection and the Life, Yes you were dead you shall live and he who believes in me SHall Never die. FYI Whenever Jesus is speaking HE is the final authority Over David, Jeremiah, or any other.
There is a reason why every knee and tongues confess Jesus Christ is Lord.

I may be missing something. Do you say the Bible uses "sleep" as a metaphor for death only in the cases of the righteous or do you say that "sleep" is a metaphor for "death" which applies to both the righteous and wicked?

 

[Phoneman-777]

never can understand how one can be so driven to make doctrinal corrections of others YET hold to teaching from a False Prophet?.

There is no hell eternal?
The righteous dead don't go to heaven when they die
babies don't go to heaven
Right? SDA is more of a spiritual STD than anything very extreme.

Are you going to prove how Jesus can come back twice as a thief or not? So far, just a lot of hot air and now ad hominem.

 

[Phoneman-777]

it is, Jesus used it many times to describe those who were in the right relationship. the words sleep have more than one meaning in the Old Testament at least 4 to 5 of them. context is important and The verdict is still out on Jeremiah from your understanding. It is not error you have pulled one verse out of a whole chapter and trying to make it fix LOL. You do not take the context of Jeremiah and use it to discredit what Jesus said in the New. That is ridiculous.

Brother, would you PLEASE stop trying to convince everyone that you are the only person capable of recognizing context? It's not a trump card that you can pull out and place on the top of everyone else's when you're losing a debate.

The "context" of Jeremiah 51 is the Judgment of God's enemies and the only way to interpret the meaning of "perpetual sleep" here is in that context...where the Judgment, like in so many other cases of God's OT enemies, is death.

 

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FYI Jesus is not surprising those who are waiting and occupying til HE comes LOl

 

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Brother, would you PLEASE stop trying to convince everyone that you are the only person capable of recognizing context? It's not a trump card that you can pull out and place on the top of everyone else's when you're losing a debate.

The "context" of Jeremiah 51 is the Judgment of God's enemies and the only way to interpret the meaning of "perpetual sleep" here is in that context...where the Judgment, like in so many other cases of God's OT enemies, is death.

LOL who ever said I was the only one? You been sit-in on the wrong gumbo man. Jesus is the resurrection and the Life. You think i'm trying to win a debate ? Hahahahhaha rotfl LOL that's funny. IF you are saying I am losing a debate, and it is you saying it ? hahahahahah Ok.

FYI,
The Rapture Thief Robs Jesuit Futurism Of The 7 Years Of Tribulation

Guess what !!!!! you have not brought this since WE have been quoting Bible
what happen to your narrative ?

 

[massorite]

Paradise is located in the third heaven, the dwelling place of God. The Lord translated it after His resurrection. Notice he was caught up to paradise.

2 Corinthians 12
3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

So a close examination of the word "Paradise" in that verse would reveal that the Paradise spoken of is not the same Paradise which is located in Hades. According to the Strongs and the Thayer's Greek English Lexicon the word Paradise 2 Cor. 12:4 is speaking of a "place of future happiness" which will be in heaven. Unfortunately other then what I have stated there is no clear explanation of exactly what the Word "Paradise" is talking about and even in the Thayer's there are more then one opinion about about the word Paradise in 2 Cor 12:4.
I have done the research on Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
and found that the words "he led captivity captive" are not at all talking about removing Paradise from the lower parts of the earth and relocating Paradise in heaven thereby emptying Paradise of all of the saints in it.
The idea or concept of take the people of Israel in captivity by God has been expressed by God several times in the Word of God.
Jer 33:7 And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.
Amo 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
The words "Captivity Captive" in Eph 4:8 are talking about a frame of mind and not being taken into captivity as in being conqured by a nation or moved from one place to another. When we become believers we become captive to Christ both mentally and spiritually and that captivity has nothing to do with our body glorified or in the flesh.
So with that in mind I will repeat and recopy and past Daniel 12: 2.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
In order for you to be correct you must prove that Daniel 12:2 is a lie from the pits of hell and then you would be saying that God is a liar. So the question for you is "Is God a liar or not?" because Daniel 12:2 is very clear that "many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake" so are you calling Daniel a false prophet?
And don't bother to try and come up with any scriptures that prove that Chrsit moved Paradise from being the place in the lower parts of the earth where the saints go to sleep while waiting Christ to come and wake them up to raise from the dust of the earth because there are no scriptures that prove the Paradise is any place else other then in Hades.
Sorry but we are done with this conversation because anytime I present scripture that can not be disputed and you call me ignorent and ignore that scripture like it was a lie, you have some serious issues going on in your head and you need to talk to God about them.

 

[massorite]

The examples you gave are before the cross. Of course no one could go to heaven without the shed blood of Jesus Christ.

That is a gabage argument not worthy of a response.

 

[massorite]

This is why many have a hard time with our SDA friends.

There is no eternal hell
There is no coming of the Lord
There is no resurrection of the unrighteous dead.
There is no eternal judgment
There is no entering the presence of The lord for the righteous dead.

Yet Jesus said:
Hell is a place of eternal torment
I am Coming soon
I am the resurrection and the Life Yet tho one was dead he shall live. and he that Belieth in ME shall NEVER DIE
Jesus will judge as we are told in Rev.
I go to prepare a place for you that where I am YOU may be also. IF it were not so I would not have told you.

But our friends know Better than Jesus. it is not believing what Jesus said, nope, it is believed my Human intellect.

Yes I agree. They act like Christ is a liar telling lies from the pits of hell. Blaspheme, Blaspheme!!!!

 

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So a close examination of the word "Paradise" in that verse would reveal that the Paradise spoken of is not the same Paradise which is located in Hades.

Paradise was never located in Hades. We get that impression from what Christ said to that converted malefactor. But Paradise was always in Heaven, and it is within the New Jerusalem. However Jesus anticipated being in Paradise in advance, even though He would be in Hades for three days and three nights. IOW it was an accomplished fact even though it was in the future. Jesus regarded Abraham's bosom (all the OT saints) as already being in Heaven.

 

[PlainWord]

Yes I do. I have done some very heavy studies of hell and found and I have found that there are, like all other things that God has created, three different sections to the lower parts of the earth. One is called Gehenna, which is a place of torment, Hades which is the place of departed souls and the definition of the word "Hades" doesn't distinguish between good or bad souls and lastly Tartarus which is a prison where Angels in chains are reserved unto judgement.
The problem is that KJ in all of his wisdom changed 99% of the common names of the three sections of the lower parts of the earth to the word "Hell" which confounded our ability to better understand what the Word of God was telling us about the lower parts of the earth. Hades consists of two places. The place of torment that the rich man went to, then there is a great fixed gulf (water) between the place of torment and the Bosom of Abraham which is the same place as Paradise which a resting place for the dead in Christ until He comes to Resurrect us from the grave.

So, you believe all the OT saints and all the NT disciples and every believer since is still waiting, sleeping in Abraham's Bosom? For thousands of years, they are still there apart from God? Christ restored all things (our connection to God) on the Cross. Why would He keep them down there then if that connection has been restored?

The truth of the matter is, the presence (parousia) of Christ returned in the first century and resurrected those who died up to that time as recorded by early Church leader, Ignatius - close friend of Polycarp. Ignatius lived from 35-107 AD. If I am correct and Christ returned to help and direct the destruction of Israel, Jerusalem and the temple in the first century, than Ignatius would have been alive for those events and the resurrection. Therefore it is informative to know what the early church believed concerning the resurrection of believers.

Since that event right through today, when a believer dies, they immediately go to heaven (raptured) spiritual body and all. That body then becomes glorified to a level (reward, gifts) based on the deeds of that believer. This is the true meaning of 1 Thes 4:13-17. For those who were still alive and remaining past the resurrection, they get raptured when they die. Paul should have added the "when they die" part but he must have assumed the Thessalonians understood that there was NOT to be some global snatching away of living people. This is a tradition of man and such teaching is not confirmed anywhere else in the Bible.

Here's the passage from Ignatius in his letter to the Magnesians:

CHAPTER 9
9:1 If then those who had walked in ancient
practices attained unto newness of hope, no longer
observing sabbaths but fashioning their lives after
the Lord's day, on which our life also arose through
Him and through His death which some men deny -- a
mystery whereby we attained unto belief, and for this
cause we endure patiently, that we may be found
disciples of Jesus Christ our only teacher --
9:2 if this be so, how shall we be able to live
apart from Him? seeing that even the prophets, being
His disciples, were expecting Him as their teacher
through the Spirit. And for this cause He whom they
rightly awaited, when He came, raised them from the
dead.

Isn't this a better outcome?? We go straight to heaven when we die and all the OT saints and disciples are already there vs. your belief system which has everyone in Hades waiting and waiting??? Your belief system says that Christ's work is not done. Mine has everything finished.

 

[soberxp]

Jesus has come,you still on earth.end of story.

 

[PlainWord]

Yes I agree. They act like Christ is a liar telling lies from the pits of hell. Blaspheme, Blaspheme!!!!

To be clear, I AM NOT A SDA. I am just a regular Bible believing Christian. I believe every teaching of Christ. I do you?

Mat 10:23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Do you believe Him here?

Mat 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Do you believe Him here?

Mat 24: 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Do you believe Him here?

Mat 26:64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Do you believe Him here?

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following... 21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

Do you believe Him here?

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Do you believe Him here?

Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Do you believe Him here?

Rev 22: 7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Do you believe Him here?

Rev 22: 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

Do you believe Him here?

I'm not a SDA and I don't defend much of what they believe. But I ask you to just be careful when you are accusing others of calling Christ a liar when you do it yourself repeatedly.

 

[PlainWord]

You clearly do not know Prophecy has a Forth telling and a foretelling. Peter said this promise is unto you and as many as the Lord Jesus shall call. Clearly, The Context of Joel 2 was not completed at Pentecost but is still happening today. The Spirit of God is still being poured out on men and women.

Nothing you have said changes what Jesus said about HIS coming for HIS saints.

One problem you, and all futurists have besides total ignorance of history contained in the Bible and from secular sources, is you have no concept of audience integrity. You think because Peter spoke of a finite event happening to them in the moment, that this applies to all Christians throughout time. There was only one time when the Holy Spirit was poured out all at once upon the church. It happened on one specific day to one group of people who were in Jerusalem at Pentecost. This is why Christ told them all to stay. This day, was the day Joel was speaking about. He was NOT speaking about our daily influences we receive from the Lord over a 2,000 year period of time. You forget what Joel says which Peter echoes, "it shall come to pass in the last days." "Last days" were specific days. They applied to one and only one generation. "Last days do not last 2,000 years. We are talking roughly 727,000 days and counting as last days for your deal to work. We are talking roughly 100 additional generations. This view weakens the moment they were experiencing. This view does not pass the smell test, sorry. I get it that you need it to mean this or your deal dies. But you are only propping up traditions of men and not allowing the Word to inform your views.

Futurists rob the comfort and promises Paul gave the Thessalonians who were enduring tremendous persecution and you take those promises for yourself. This is another example of loss of audience integrity. You take all the examples of Christ telling His disciples what to expect in their near future and kick these things out 2,000 years without any support or justification - another example of breach of your audience integrity. You ignore the harsh warnings Christ had for the scribes and Pharisees who were about to kill Him in Mat 23 and instead think Christ is angry at some future generation to us? What did our generation, or the next do that would be worse than killing the Son of God, His disciples and followers??? You have no answer for this thus this is another example of your loss of audience integrity.

Your side has set dates over 200 times since Darby, all have failed which weakens the Body and discredits our faith in front of the world. Your side with your movies about the rapture, antichrist, etc are jokes. Christ said clearly over and over that He was to return to His generation, but you cannot accept that because you have your traditions of men which you prefer over what Christ promised, all because you wish to escape death.

I could go on and on and on. Futurists twist and contort scripture like a bowl of noodles all because you want to have your fly away doctrine which flies in the face of Heb 9:27 which provides no exceptions to the rule.

 

[John146]

So a close examination of the word "Paradise" in that verse would reveal that the Paradise spoken of is not the same Paradise which is located in Hades. According to the Strongs and the Thayer's Greek English Lexicon the word Paradise 2 Cor. 12:4 is speaking of a "place of future happiness" which will be in heaven. Unfortunately other then what I have stated there is no clear explanation of exactly what the Word "Paradise" is talking about and even in the Thayer's there are more then one opinion about about the word Paradise in 2 Cor 12:4.
I have done the research on Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
and found that the words "he led captivity captive" are not at all talking about removing Paradise from the lower parts of the earth and relocating Paradise in heaven thereby emptying Paradise of all of the saints in it.
The idea or concept of take the people of Israel in captivity by God has been expressed by God several times in the Word of God.
Jer 33:7 And I will cause the captivity of Judah and the captivity of Israel to return, and will build them, as at the first.
Amo 9:14 And I will bring again the captivity of my people of Israel, and they shall build the waste cities, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and drink the wine thereof; they shall also make gardens, and eat the fruit of them.
The words "Captivity Captive" in Eph 4:8 are talking about a frame of mind and not being taken into captivity as in being conqured by a nation or moved from one place to another. When we become believers we become captive to Christ both mentally and spiritually and that captivity has nothing to do with our body glorified or in the flesh.
So with that in mind I will repeat and recopy and past Daniel 12: 2.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
In order for you to be correct you must prove that Daniel 12:2 is a lie from the pits of hell and then you would be saying that God is a liar. So the question for you is "Is God a liar or not?" because Daniel 12:2 is very clear that "many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake" so are you calling Daniel a false prophet?
And don't bother to try and come up with any scriptures that prove that Chrsit moved Paradise from being the place in the lower parts of the earth where the saints go to sleep while waiting Christ to come and wake them up to raise from the dust of the earth because there are no scriptures that prove the Paradise is any place else other then in Hades.
Sorry but we are done with this conversation because anytime I present scripture that can not be disputed and you call me ignorent and ignore that scripture like it was a lie, you have some serious issues going on in your head and you need to talk to God about them.

Thanks for your opinions.

 

[John146]

That is a gabage argument not worthy of a response.

Thanks for your opinion.

 

[John146]

Paradise was never located in Hades. We get that impression from what Christ said to that converted malefactor. But Paradise was always in Heaven, and it is within the New Jerusalem. However Jesus anticipated being in Paradise in advance, even though He would be in Hades for three days and three nights. IOW it was an accomplished fact even though it was in the future. Jesus regarded Abraham's bosom (all the OT saints) as already being in Heaven.

43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

 

[massorite]

To be clear, I AM NOT A SDA. I am just a regular Bible believing Christian. I believe every teaching of Christ. I do you?

Mat 10:23 When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Do you believe Him here?

Mat 16:28 Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

Do you believe Him here?

Mat 24: 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.

Do you believe Him here?

Mat 26:64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

Do you believe Him here?

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning around, saw the disciple whom Jesus loved following... 21 Peter, seeing him, said to Jesus, “But Lord, what about this man?” 22 Jesus said to him, “If I will that he remain till I come, what is that to you? You follow Me.”

Do you believe Him here?

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

Do you believe Him here?

Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

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Rev 22: 7 “Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

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Rev 22: 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming quickly.” Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus!

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I'm not a SDA and I don't defend much of what they believe. But I ask you to just be careful when you are accusing others of calling Christ a liar when you do it yourself repeatedly.

Sorry but I am not taking the bait. Your a Preterist and you are just as quilty as the SDA of the same kind of Blaspheme.