The Gun Thread

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Gideon300 said:
Australia is a nation of immigrants. As the joke goes, Australia's forefathers were selected by the best British judges. Australia, unlike America, was a penal colony. Many settled here rather than go back to the UK. Many were Irish, not exactly best mates with the British establishment.

After WW2, a lot of Greeks and Italians settled here. Many New Zealanders also. At one time Sydney's Kiwi population was more than the second largest city in NZ. After the Vietnam war finished, a great many Vietnamese, mostly ethnic Chinese came here. They added to the Chinese who came to work in the goldfields in the late 19th century. There were Afghan camel herders as well.

Now it is people from India who make the majority of migrants. We have a refugee program so there are also Sudanese, people from Kosovo, Russia, Ukraine, Lebanon and a number of other nations. A bit over a quarter of Australia's population was born overseas.

We have our share of problems. There are ethnically based organised crime gangs. The Mafia set up shop here, Chinese Tongs and Middle Eastern crime gangs. Of course they mostly deal in drugs, but stolen cars are big business as well. However, compared to most countries we're pretty well off. I've travelled a bit, including twice to America. I lived in NZ for a couple of years. I was born in England. Australia suits me just fine.

I don't see that arming the population is going to help if a government decides to crack down. Even an Armalite is useless against an armoured car. And if people decide to take sides. all you have is the potential for a bloody civil war.
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Yes.... Australia IS a nation of immigrants, much like the US was.... except, as you noted, Australia was a penal colony...
I would hazard a guess that y'all's crime rate was really not all that bad, until the flood of immigrants that were not anywhere near like the "normalized" Australian citizen.... because as you know, all those immigrants that came to Australia at the start, BECAME Australians.... they were a nation.... made up of different folks whose sum was greater than the individuals.

Now, introduce totally different immigrants..... folks that do not have the desire to become "Australian" ..... and your crime increase happens.

Similar things are happening in the US, but we started out with an ethnic group that, for the larger part, were not allowed to become part of the American culture. After some years of not being allowed to, they have decided they don't WANT to be a part of it. (remember, I am speaking in generalities.... certainly not ALL members of this ethnicity feel that way)
This is where a very large part of our criminal element originates.
Add to that the influx of literally millions of a different ethnicity, of whom many only want to be given free stuff, and have no desire to assimilate into the culture of the US, along with a large percentage who are simply criminals looking for greener pastures.. and you have added a whole new element of crime....
 
hornetguy said:
Yes.... Australia IS a nation of immigrants, much like the US was.... except, as you noted, Australia was a penal colony...
I would hazard a guess that y'all's crime rate was really not all that bad, until the flood of immigrants that were not anywhere near like the "normalized" Australian citizen.... because as you know, all those immigrants that came to Australia at the start, BECAME Australians.... they were a nation.... made up of different folks whose sum was greater than the individuals.

Now, introduce totally different immigrants..... folks that do not have the desire to become "Australian" ..... and your crime increase happens.

Similar things are happening in the US, but we started out with an ethnic group that, for the larger part, were not allowed to become part of the American culture. After some years of not being allowed to, they have decided they don't WANT to be a part of it. (remember, I am speaking in generalities.... certainly not ALL members of this ethnicity feel that way)
This is where a very large part of our criminal element originates.
Add to that the influx of literally millions of a different ethnicity, of whom many only want to be given free stuff, and have no desire to assimilate into the culture of the US, along with a large percentage who are simply criminals looking for greener pastures.. and you have added a whole new element of crime....
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The concept of multiculturalism has been imposed on Australia for the last 50 years or. The government minister behind the move was almost certainly involved with the Mafia. Multiculturalism is a disaster. The best (and much criticised) decision Australia made was to try and prevent illegal immigration. It's easier for us as we are surrounded by the sea. It's been promoted as a life saving measure as many have drowned trying to get here. Sure, but governments have realised that not all who come here are refugees and we need to control our borders. Even our leftist governments have seen the light. Now all we need is to get the courts to wake up as well.
 
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Gideon300 said:
I'm not sure that the average Aussie could match the reload speed...............
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probably not from what I gather most cowboy shooters are barley able to get half that speed, I just posted that to demonstrate the the impracticality of using firing rate as a regulatory measure.
 
Ive got a 17 mach 2 and it punches little holes with little other effect. Its the opposite of this 600 beast.
 
Zandar said:
Ive got a 17 mach 2 and it punches little holes with little other effect. Its the opposite of this 600 beast.
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Zandar said:
Ive got a 17 mach 2 and it punches little holes with little other effect. Its the opposite of this 600 beast.
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.17 caliber?
That's the size of the pellet guns I used to shoot as a kid. I'll bet it's a good varmint gun. Rabbits, ground hogs.....
What's the velocity?
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
.17 caliber?
That's the size of the pellet guns I used to shoot as a kid. I'll bet it's a good varmint gun. Rabbits, ground hogs.....
What's the velocity?
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I think it shoots around 2000 or 2200. it has the same bullet as a 17 HMR. Its a 22 stinger cartridge though. Ive never shot anything with it but i here its great for squirrels
 
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ha, its 20 years old now. I got the second gen gun though. i think they still make them but they are hard to find. shells are high but so are all shells. i bought some the other day $15 for 50
 
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Zandar said:
I have the savage 5 shot clip and accutrigger. its a cool little gun to carry around
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I've heard good things about those Savages and that trigger from those who have owned and sold them.
That light rifle sounds like it fits a good nitch for small game and practice. It shouldn't damage your meat.
If the bullets are cheap, it might be a good one to reload. A pound of powder would last a lot of rounds and I imagine the brass would too.
 
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Someone mentioned the single stage Lee that they used. I ran across this video with a brief demo for anyone interested in reloading. Perhaps this will whet your appetite. If not, then maybe whet your sharpening stone. 😁🔪

Lee Single Stage
 
HealthAndHappiness said:
I've heard good things about those Savages and that trigger from those who have owned and sold them.
That light rifle sounds like it fits a good nitch for small game and practice. It shouldn't damage your meat.
If the bullets are cheap, it might be a good one to reload. A pound of powder would last a lot of rounds and I imagine the brass would too.
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It is virtually impossible to reload a rimfire cartridge.
I have watched videos of folks that have worked out a method to reprime the brass, but it's usually only about 80% successful, IIRC...... and it's very labor intensive.
Reloading centerfires is much easier to accomplish.
If someone want's the lower performance of a rimfire, it's usually easy to "load down" a similar centerfire cartridge.

An example.... If I wanted a "reloadable" .22 magnum rimfire, it would be simple to use a .22 Hornet centerfire, and load light loads that would equal the lower powered .22 mag.
 
hornetguy said:
It is virtually impossible to reload a rimfire cartridge.
I have watched videos of folks that have worked out a method to reprime the brass, but it's usually only about 80% successful, IIRC...... and it's very labor intensive.
Reloading centerfires is much easier to accomplish.
If someone want's the lower performance of a rimfire, it's usually easy to "load down" a similar centerfire cartridge.

An example.... If I wanted a "reloadable" .22 magnum rimfire, it would be simple to use a .22 Hornet centerfire, and load light loads that would equal the lower powered .22 mag.
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I should have looked closer at the picture of the rim above. I was assuming it was a tiny center-fire.
 
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