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You could just use those indefinitely.... the only reason for a dummy in a rimfire is to keep the firing pin from going far enough forward to "ding" the edge of the chamber. Most manufacturers have figured out how to mechanically stop the firing pin from ever going far enough forward to ever touch the chamber, but there are stil those out there that could. Putting a fired case, or a snap cap in there will prevent that from happening.
My latest... a few "firsts" involved.... my first optic on a handgun, my first CZ, my first green dot, my first larger dot on an optic...
I've wanted to try an optic on a handgun for some time now. With almost 70 yr old eyes, the whole rear sight, front sight, target thing is getting more fuzzy.... I'm still good with open sights, just not as precise as I would like.
I really like my Glock 19... everything just fits me... like Wyatt Earp said in Tombstone.... it just "suits me right down to the ground..."
I thought about getting another 19 that was "optics ready", then started reading about the CZ P10C.... almost exactly the same dimensions as the 19, with a better trigger.... so I got this one.... I put a Holosun 407K on it with a green dot. Studies show that if you have any astigmatism at all, the green dot is MUCH better than the red. "They" must be right... I can see this dot much more clearly than my red dots.
This one is also a 6 MOA dot.... bigger than the 2 MOA that I've used in the past... I think on a handgun that is a good thing.... I plan to shoot it for the first time tomorrow, if all goes well.... report to follow....
I've wanted to try an optic on a handgun for some time now. With almost 70 yr old eyes, the whole rear sight, front sight, target thing is getting more fuzzy.... I'm still good with open sights, just not as precise as I would like.
I really like my Glock 19... everything just fits me... like Wyatt Earp said in Tombstone.... it just "suits me right down to the ground..."
I thought about getting another 19 that was "optics ready", then started reading about the CZ P10C.... almost exactly the same dimensions as the 19, with a better trigger.... so I got this one.... I put a Holosun 407K on it with a green dot. Studies show that if you have any astigmatism at all, the green dot is MUCH better than the red. "They" must be right... I can see this dot much more clearly than my red dots.
This one is also a 6 MOA dot.... bigger than the 2 MOA that I've used in the past... I think on a handgun that is a good thing.... I plan to shoot it for the first time tomorrow, if all goes well.... report to follow....
Congratulations on your new buy!
The CZs and the optics have a good reputation. I noticed that there's an exponential production of new options . It makes my head spin when I look at what's available now.
STATS ON GUN VIOLENCE
Interesting statistics. This jives with the research of Prof. Lott at the University of Chicago, who is a noted expert on gun laws and stats.
Here are some facts.
There are 30,000 gun-related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun-related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.
So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now let's look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).
Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital! (Emphasis mine. df)
710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).
A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?
It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”
David H. McDonald
President
The McDonald Group, LLC
Interesting statistics. This jives with the research of Prof. Lott at the University of Chicago, who is a noted expert on gun laws and stats.
Here are some facts.
There are 30,000 gun-related deaths per year by firearms, and this number is not disputed. The U.S. population is 324,059,091 as of June 22, 2016. Do the math: 0.00925% of the population dies from gun-related actions each year. Statistically speaking, this is insignificant! What is never told, however, is a breakdown of those 30,000 deaths, to put them in perspective as compared to other causes of death:
65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws.
15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and justified.
17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons – better known as gun violence.
3% are accidental discharge deaths.
So technically, “gun violence” is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100. Still too many? Now let's look at how those deaths spanned across the nation.
480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington D.C. (a 54% increase over prior years)
So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause.
This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation, or about 75 deaths per state. That is an average because some States have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.
Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not guns causing this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.
Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths? All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assaults are all done by criminals. It is ludicrous to think that criminals will obey laws. That is why they are called criminals.
But what about other deaths each year?
40,000+ die from a drug overdose–THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT!
36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths.
34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities(exceeding gun deaths even if you include suicide).
Now it gets good:
200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical errors. You are safer walking in the worst areas of Chicago than you are when you are in a hospital! (Emphasis mine. df)
710,000 people die per year from heart disease. It’s time to stop the double cheeseburgers! So, what is the point? If the liberal loons and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease in cardiac deaths would save twice the number of lives annually of all gun-related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).
A 10% reduction in medical errors would be 66% of the total number of gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides ……………. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So, you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns?
It’s pretty simple:
Taking away guns gives control to governments. The founders of this nation knew that regardless of the form of government, those in power may become corrupt and seek to rule as the British did by trying to disarm the populace of the colonies. It is not difficult to understand that a disarmed populace is a controlled populace.
Thus, the second amendment was proudly and boldly included in the U.S. Constitution. It must be preserved at all costs . So, the next time someone tries to tell you that gun control is about saving lives, look at these facts and remember these words from Noah Webster: “Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed.”
David H. McDonald
President
The McDonald Group, LLC
After being broken for about 15 years and questionably stored, I finally got a hold of a new lock for my cabelas hawken. Took a few days to refurbish the thing and polish the brass its now ready for powder and ball.
.50 caliber? I used to have a Traditions .54 cal, more modern looking. It was a light rifle that kicked the daylights out of me, when loaded heavy. Light loads were ok.
54, oddly enough I don't remember it kicking enough to notice, though at the time I was used to a 12 gauge nef parder single shot shotgun.
Your hawken is quite a bit heavier than my little cheap Traditions... I shot the Lyman Maxi-Ball out of my .54, and I think, IIRC, 100gr of black powder. It kicked.
My lighter load was the Lee R.E.A.L bullet under a lighter charge. It was ok. Round ball loads were powder puff, compared to the Maxi Balls.
My lighter load was the Lee R.E.A.L bullet under a lighter charge. It was ok. Round ball loads were powder puff, compared to the Maxi Balls.
That's probably it, the thing must weigh close to 8 lbs, that and I mostly use patch and ball.
hey, fellas, i have stupid questions i hope you'll explain.
what is an over/under shotgun? how does it differ from a regular shotgun, if indeed it does? do you need both to perform different activities? are there other types of shotguns?
i've only seen a real gun once in my life, and it was my son-in-law's 9mm handgun, so thank you! i hope i used the right words.
what is an over/under shotgun? how does it differ from a regular shotgun, if indeed it does? do you need both to perform different activities? are there other types of shotguns?
i've only seen a real gun once in my life, and it was my son-in-law's 9mm handgun, so thank you! i hope i used the right words.
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I’m not a fella, but I dare respond anyway. An over/under shotgun is a shotgun with two barrels placed over and under each other. Then you have the side by side barreled shotgun where the two barrels are, yep, side by side. I prefer the o/u shotgun over the side by side.
In my view, you are a "feller", or a Nephilim, if you have felled at least a few fellas.
I prefer the side by side when using both barrels at the same time. Other wise it's the o/u. I prefer my semi automatic shotgun when hunting.
I have owned both, and I prefer the over/under.... it just seems.... sleeker. I've seen some very classy side by sides, though.... beautiful firearms.
Here is an over/under...
and a side by side....
Here is an over/under...
and a side by side....
I neglected to address the other parts of your question...hey, fellas, i have stupid questions i hope you'll explain.
what is an over/under shotgun? how does it differ from a regular shotgun, if indeed it does? do you need both to perform different activities? are there other types of shotguns?
i've only seen a real gun once in my life, and it was my son-in-law's 9mm handgun, so thank you! i hope i used the right words.
Shotguns are used for bird hunting, deer or bear hunting, sporting games such as skeet, etc, and self defense. Instead of shooting one projectile (bullet), shotguns shoot a bunch of smaller round pellets... this group of pellets is what makes the shotgun effective in bringing down flying game birds.
Shotgun shells can also be loaded with a single "slug", much like a big rifle bullet, and used to hunt larger game, like deer, or bears...
Shotguns can be a single shot, or a double barrel (side by side or over/under) or they can be a pump action type that holds up to 6 or 7 shells, or semi-automatic (autoloader) that holds 6 or7 shells.
They are a very versatile firearm, capable of doing almost anything you would need a firearm to do.