The Gun Thread

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

By the way.. what is that loop on the bottom of the grip for? ^^^

Lanyard loop. There are actually two on the pistol, one on the grip, and one on the magazine. Not sure why you'd want one on a mag, but...

 

[zeroturbulence]

Thanks!

Here are President Trump's guns... (according to an interview he gave with the Washington Times)

[video=youtube;bW8R5gxuPtk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW8R5gxuPtk[/video]

 

[shittim]

great to see! Thank you!
Now, if he or one of the sons or daughters, would open the Camp Perry Matches, that would be great.

 

[notmyown]

gun people, can you help me, please?

my daughter has a bit of a dangerous job. she used to work at Crime Victims, which merged with Domestic Violence.
she advocates for the victims, and occasionally has to deal with an abuser. naturally, they're not happy with her.
she's a tiny woman (5'5", 97 pounds) and isn't trained to use an attacker's size and strength against them. (which would be good, right?)

she wants to get a conceal/carry permit. she had an office in the local PD, and the cops there have offered to train her, and take her to the range for practice. nice guys! likewise, her cousin the cop has offered to teach her. he's ridiculously protective of her, bless him.

is this enough, though? ought she take some sort of class? thank you.

ps-- i honestly don't know if she could fire a weapon at a human, with the possible exception of defending someone else.

 

[shittim]

Horseback use? Drop the first mag retained to the horse or rider by a separate lanyard and insert the second without losing the first magazine?
Just thinking

 

[shittim]

Horseback use? Drop the first mag retained to the horse or rider by a separate lanyard and insert the second without losing the first magazine?
Just thinking

On the training, can she carry some kind off spray now?
I've seen the little two shot devices that let one shoot a spray, anyone have experience with them?
Or bear spray?
Best wishes

 

[notmyown]

Horseback use? Drop the first mag retained to the horse or rider by a separate lanyard and insert the second without losing the first magazine?
Just thinking

On the training, can she carry some kind off spray now?
I've seen the little two shot devices that let one shoot a spray, anyone have experience with them?
Or bear spray?
Best wishes

thank you! if i'm not mistaken, pepper spray and the like aren't legit for the commoner in my state.
hairspray and a lighter? lol

 

[GaryA]

hairspray and a lighter? lol

"Whatever works..."

 

[GaryA]

gun people, can you help me, please?

my daughter has a bit of a dangerous job. she used to work at Crime Victims, which merged with Domestic Violence.
she advocates for the victims, and occasionally has to deal with an abuser. naturally, they're not happy with her.
she's a tiny woman (5'5", 97 pounds) and isn't trained to use an attacker's size and strength against them. (which would be good, right?)

she wants to get a conceal/carry permit. she had an office in the local PD, and the cops there have offered to train her, and take her to the range for practice. nice guys! likewise, her cousin the cop has offered to teach her. he's ridiculously protective of her, bless him.

is this enough, though? ought she take some sort of class? thank you.

ps-- i honestly don't know if she could fire a weapon at a human, with the possible exception of defending someone else.

I would think, at the very least, that all of the self-defense she could learn would be a good thing.

Classes are probably helpful; however, if "her cousin the cop" ( who presumedly would be a good teacher ) trains her [ well-enough ] - I would think that would be sufficient. ( Just my opinion -- but, if 'unofficial' training is just as good as 'official' training, then - what's the difference, as long as the end result is the same...? )

What truly matters the most is the self-discipline she learns - body and mind...

 

[GaryA]

thank you! if i'm not mistaken, pepper spray and the like aren't legit for the commoner in my state.

What exactly do you mean by "aren't legit"...?

( i.e. - not legitimate in what sense, or in what way? )

 

[notbythesword]

gun people, can you help me, please?

my daughter has a bit of a dangerous job. she used to work at Crime Victims, which merged with Domestic Violence.
she advocates for the victims, and occasionally has to deal with an abuser. naturally, they're not happy with her.
she's a tiny woman (5'5", 97 pounds) and isn't trained to use an attacker's size and strength against them. (which would be good, right?)

she wants to get a conceal/carry permit. she had an office in the local PD, and the cops there have offered to train her, and take her to the range for practice. nice guys! likewise, her cousin the cop has offered to teach her. he's ridiculously protective of her, bless him.

is this enough, though? ought she take some sort of class? thank you.

ps-- i honestly don't know if she could fire a weapon at a human, with the possible exception of defending someone else.

To be honest, most conceal carry course classes don’t teach you much beyond common sense gun safety. At least that was the case with mine. Taking the time to actually go out to a shooting range every once in a while is going to be much more effective if it ever came down to her having to use the firearm.

Getting familiar with how the gun handles, operates, the weight, the recoil, the noise, the muzzle flash, the trigger pull, are all very important things to get comfortable with. For most women who are first time shooters and are simply looking for a lightweight and concealable firearm, I’d probably go with something like a Ruger LCR chambered in .38 special.

Even a small woman (like your daughter at 5’5” 97 lbs) should easily be able to handle it. I have seen some smaller women who had problems with being able to fully pull back the slide of various semi auto pistols. That, and the fact that revolvers are far more simplistic, would seem a good choice for her.

If she is able to get free help from your local law enforcement and practicing every so often, then she should be fine without further classes.

 

[Tinuviel]

gun people, can you help me, please?

my daughter has a bit of a dangerous job. she used to work at Crime Victims, which merged with Domestic Violence.
she advocates for the victims, and occasionally has to deal with an abuser. naturally, they're not happy with her.
she's a tiny woman (5'5", 97 pounds) and isn't trained to use an attacker's size and strength against them. (which would be good, right?)

she wants to get a conceal/carry permit. she had an office in the local PD, and the cops there have offered to train her, and take her to the range for practice. nice guys! likewise, her cousin the cop has offered to teach her. he's ridiculously protective of her, bless him.

is this enough, though? ought she take some sort of class? thank you.

ps-- i honestly don't know if she could fire a weapon at a human, with the possible exception of defending someone else.

I don't know the laws for your state, but where I am you have to take a class (or several classes? I don't remember!) before you can get the permit. HOWEVER, they do not teach you much beyond gun safety, as someone already said. So, by all means, she should get some training from her cousin or the police at her workplace. Learning how to handle and shoot and just generally becoming familiar with your gun is a must.

And as to her not being able to fire at a human, the point is to protect and defend. I am sure most Christians who have a carry permit and carry a gun have prayed that they never have to use it; but when you come right down to it, it is biblical and instinctive to defend yourself and others.

Also, I would highly recommend she take a self-defense course for women. They teach courses targeted at women and they are better than just the general ones because they train how a woman can use her strengths.

 

[notmyown]

I would think, at the very least, that all of the self-defense she could learn would be a good thing.

Classes are probably helpful; however, if "her cousin the cop" ( who presumedly would be a good teacher ) trains her [ well-enough ] - I would think that would be sufficient. ( Just my opinion -- but, if 'unofficial' training is just as good as 'official' training, then - what's the difference, as long as the end result is the same...? )

What truly matters the most is the self-discipline she learns - body and mind...

thanks, Gary, she's an athlete, so she's already taken a step in the right direction in terms of the discipline.
she has an athlete's ability to calm her mind and make her body do what she wants it to, if that makes sense.
do you think that will be helpful?

What exactly do you mean by "aren't legit"...?

( i.e. - not legitimate in what sense, or in what way? )

not legal. the laws may have changed since then, but when my older girls began working at 16 and 17, it was retail, and they left work quite late at times. i wanted to get them something like a spray for defense at the time, and was unable to.

 

[notmyown]

To be honest, most conceal carry course classes don’t teach you much beyond common sense gun safety. At least that was the case with mine. Taking the time to actually go out to a shooting range every once in a while is going to be much more effective if it ever came down to her having to use the firearm.

Getting familiar with how the gun handles, operates, the weight, the recoil, the noise, the muzzle flash, the trigger pull, are all very important things to get comfortable with. For most women who are first time shooters and are simply looking for a lightweight and concealable firearm, I’d probably go with something like a Ruger LCR chambered in .38 special.

Even a small woman (like your daughter at 5’5” 97 lbs) should easily be able to handle it. I have seen some smaller women who had problems with being able to fully pull back the slide of various semi auto pistols. That, and the fact that revolvers are far more simplistic, would seem a good choice for her.

If she is able to get free help from your local law enforcement and practicing every so often, then she should be fine without further classes.

this was really helpful, thank you so much!

 

[notmyown]

I don't know the laws for your state, but where I am you have to take a class (or several classes? I don't remember!) before you can get the permit. HOWEVER, they do not teach you much beyond gun safety, as someone already said. So, by all means, she should get some training from her cousin or the police at her workplace. Learning how to handle and shoot and just generally becoming familiar with your gun is a must.

And as to her not being able to fire at a human, the point is to protect and defend. I am sure most Christians who have a carry permit and carry a gun have prayed that they never have to use it; but when you come right down to it, it is biblical and instinctive to defend yourself and others.

Also, I would highly recommend she take a self-defense course for women. They teach courses targeted at women and they are better than just the general ones because they train how a woman can use her strengths.

LT, i'm pretty sure you're right about this; a class will be required. it's nigh impossible just to get the permit, and the wait!!

as notbythesword mentioned, i was unsure just how beneficial that would be, as in, would training by those who've been trained to use a firearm as professionals be a good add? my nephew has been a LEO for almost 20 years, worked undercover narcotics, etc. etc., and i trust him. (i love that kid!! )

there's an older officer at the PD who i'd call a former marine, except my cousin the former marine tells me there's no such thing as a 'former' marine. lol
but this gentleman has begun instructing Amy in basic self defense, and encouraging her to take a class.

i'm thinking third degree black belt would be nice.

 

[hornetguy]

I agree with most of what has been said here. I believe that taking self defense classes are a good idea... not that it would be any guarantee against a 220lb angry man, but simply the self-confidence would be a good thing... being able to keep calm in an escalating violent situation.

If she can stay calm, she can then draw her compact .357 magnum "equalizer" to prevent further violence to herself or others.

I firmly believe that most, if not all women should take a firearms class... teaching both safe use/familiarity/legality, and also self defense shooting techniques. Whether they decide to carry is up to them, but at least they have the tools available to them to keep themselves safe.

Let's face it, even Ronda Rousey got her butt kicked... by another woman. The old adage "a good big man will beat a good little man every time" applies here.

Size and strength matter.... a LOT. A really HARD punch by a 105# woman is not too painful to the aforementioned 220# strong, angry man. And an angry man that knows that a kick to the groin is not fatal, but simply painful, can walk right through that as well, and continue to inflict heavy damage.

Several shots, center mass, from a reasonably powerful handgun are more likely to prevent an attacker from harming her than just about any other method available.

And it is likely that simply being READY to use a handgun to defend herself would be enough... the presence of a handgun in a confident, capable person's hands should be enough to cool down most angry people.... it's the crazy ones that usually require the actual USE of the handgun..

 

[Grandpa]

gun people, can you help me, please?

my daughter has a bit of a dangerous job. she used to work at Crime Victims, which merged with Domestic Violence.
she advocates for the victims, and occasionally has to deal with an abuser. naturally, they're not happy with her.
she's a tiny woman (5'5", 97 pounds) and isn't trained to use an attacker's size and strength against them. (which would be good, right?)

she wants to get a conceal/carry permit. she had an office in the local PD, and the cops there have offered to train her, and take her to the range for practice. nice guys! likewise, her cousin the cop has offered to teach her. he's ridiculously protective of her, bless him.

is this enough, though? ought she take some sort of class? thank you.

ps-- i honestly don't know if she could fire a weapon at a human, with the possible exception of defending someone else.

Gun handling and proficiency is just a first step, imo.

I sure hope she receives even more training to recognize a threat before it gets physical and learns how to neutralize it. Not necessarily even with the gun but by whatever means necessary, the gun being the last option...

 

[shittim]

the situational awareness is a big deal, if she truly walks in faith and relationship with out Lord and Savior He will warn of trouble.

 

[notmyown]

y'all are terrific.

staying calm is her job, and her disposition. it's what she does as she stands between a victim of abuse and either the abuser or, sometimes, the police and the courts. she advocates for the person who was sexually assaulted, the one who was beaten...
i honestly don't know how she does it. i've heard her on the phone in the middle of the night with angry men just screaming at her. she simply speaks softly, asking how she can help, sometimes more quiet the louder they get, and eventually, the situation is diffused because she does this.

and situational awareness is her middle name! lol
i'm not that (still her mom. haha) worried about her; she never goes anywhere without Jesus.
and i wouldn't worry about Amy with a firearm, either. she's level headed and in control of herself.
i was hoping for advice on the training end of it, and you generous folks have me so much more to think about than that.

 

[shittim]

I am reminded of the verse " a calm voice turns away wrath", I think it is Proverbs
blessings