Odd you use Paul's words but never receive his words when used against you
The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security
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My faith is in God. Not myself.. So I can't trip over myself.
Now you on the other hand, You are still tripping over yourself.
No
we believe good works are a byproduct of faith.
Not a precurser to faith
We do good works because we are saved, it is who we are
Not to get saved,
You forget, I was raised in your Doctrines from the Baptist Church.
So I have deep inside understanding of the blindness that consumes you.
lol
Israel did not realise where they came from and what they were saved from
remember, they did not think they needed saved, they were ok.
Nice try..
well if they would be able to be used against me, then I would hear them
But I have yet to hear anything from paul that contradicts my faith.
But see here.. You are doing what you accuse me off. Only listening to paul when you think he agrees with you.. Now that is being a hypocrit
lol.. I am not a baptist..
but I understand how you have to attack the messenger. Because the truth you can not refute.
Do you even know what good works are? Do you know what we do to produce fruit?
and why we do good works?
was Abraham saved by doing good works (romans 4)
Israel saw God in person, you only are believing Their Testimonies. It strengthens your faith. An intellectual person would not destroy the Witness that much of their own understanding of God is built upon.
Good Works is God telling you feed this person. When you feed that person it is God, NOT YOU, feeding that person.
So, God, fed that person doing His Own Works.
"Begun in the Spirit means they were saved, then allowed works to be a part of it, meaning they were saved in the beginning & hardened their hearts & lost it.
Thank you for reminding us of that.
You don't specifically have to be Baptist to be Reformed.
The Doctrine is the same in Methodist, Presbyterian, Wesleyan, Lutheran several Protestant Denominations
No,
Your against scripture
we are under law or under grace. Those are the only two options we have.
You claim you are under law by your words..
So Unbelieving Israel who walked for 400 years in unbelief and sin saw God?
Israel saw God while they were slaves of assyria and Babylon
come on man..
ok
so if you do that work BECAUSE you are saved, You are loving because you have experienced Gods love
If your doing that work to get saved, stay saved or keep from losing salvation. It is a work of self righteousness. Not a work which proceeds from the love of God. Because you have never experienced Gods love.
If abraham was found he has something to boast about.
FOr we have been saved BY GRACE, not of works. lest anyone should boast
why do you boast of all your works?
ok, Yes I can see this
Actually he called them fools for thinking they had to do those works to perfect the work begun in the spirit (remain saved)then allowed works to be a part of it, meaning they were saved in the beginning & hardened their hearts & lost it.
Thank you for reminding us of that.
They did not lose salvation. They could not lose salvation.. you can't lose something they could never earn to begin with.
the Proof is Israel saw GOD first hand in Person and still had times they rejected Him.
what makes you think it no longer happens?
humans are humans, they don't evolve to the point of completely changing.