The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

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John 14:21Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me.
 
Whole bunch of stupid going on.

Nothing anyone has offered answers why Jesus said to Ask for Forgiveness every day as a Saved Person.

Even says, if you don't forgive the Father would not forgive.

And to ABIDE means to remain.

Jesus said To remain in Him.

No one actually seems to comprehend what it is to Remain.

It's a COMMAND.

You are not automatically staying when God is Commanding You to Stay.

All independent Bible Scholars list this as a COMMAND.

The fact anyone refuses or believes they're more in touch with literal meaning of the Bible over Scholars and Theologians is down right laughable.
 
Fundaamental said:
i would imagine every living person will have sins they've been punished for that they never confessed for.

You could say that when God punishes you it is also a kind of forgiveness as God also chastises those he loves.

I would say it more than likely people forget to confess sins that they would consider minor,
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King David taught us in one of his Prayers to ask for Forgiveness of the Sins he is not even aware of and BRING THEM TO HIS MEMORY so he could ask for forgiveness of them.

He gives us a way to Pray that Confesses ALL Sins.
 
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mailmandan said:
Reasoning by humans involved? So, you are saying that multiple translations of Romans 3:25 are incorrect and are the result of human reasoning and the translators had no knowledge of the original Greek? o_O

As I already pointed out, multiple translations say passed over former sins/passed over the sins previously committed/left the sins committed beforehand unpunished/passed over the sins previously committed [before Jesus’ crucifixion] which sheds some light on what is meant by PAST sins.

As Greek scholar AT Robertson points out in Romans 3:25:

Set forth (προεθετο). Second aorist middle indicative. See on Romans 1:13 for this word. Also in Ephesians 1:9, but nowhere else in N.T. God set before himself (purposed) and did it publicly before (προ) the whole world.

A propitiation (ιλαστηριον). The only other N.T. example of this word is in Hebrews 9:5 where we have the "cherubim overshadowing the mercy seat" (το ιλαστηριον). In Hebrews the adjective is used as a substantive or as "the propitiatory place " But that idea does not suit here. Deissmann (Bible Studies, pp. 124-35) has produced examples from inscriptions where it is used as an adjective and as meaning "a votive offering" or "propitiatory gift." Hence he concludes about Romans 3:25: "The crucified Christ is the votive gift of the Divine Love for the salvation of men." God gave his Son as the means of propitiation (1 John 2:2). Hιλαστηριον is an adjective (ιλαστηριος) from ιλασκομα, to make propitiation (Hebrews 2:17) and is kin in meaning to ιλασμος, propitiation (1 John 2:2; 1 John 4:10). There is no longer room for doubting its meaning in Romans 3:25.

Through faith, by his blood (δια πιστεως εν τω αυτου αιματ). So probably, connecting εν το αιματ (in his blood) with προεθετο.

To show his righteousness (εις ενδειξιν της δικαιοσυνης αυτου). See 2 Corinthians 8:24. "For showing of his righteousness," the God-kind of righteousness. God could not let sin go as if a mere slip. God demanded the atonement and provided it.

Because of the passing over (δια την παρεσιν). Late word from παριημ, to let go, to relax. In Dionysius Hal., Xenophon, papyri (Deissmann, Bible Studies, p. 266) for remission of punishment, especially for debt, as distinct from αφεσις (remission).

Done aforetime (προγεγονοτων). Second perfect active genitive participle of προγινομα. The sins before the coming of Christ (Acts 14:16; Acts 17:30; Hebrews 9:15).

Forbearance (ανοχη). Holding back of God as in Romans 2:4. In this sense Christ tasted death for every man (Hebrews 2:9).

Romans 3 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

In regard to old sins, Peter was simply saying their sins were forgiven by God in times past. He's not saying that only past sins were forgiven, but that forgiveness of sins occurred in the past. The literal translation reads - For the one in whom these things are not present is blind, being shortsighted, taking on forgetfulness of the cleansing of his sins in time past.

2 Peter 1:9 - LIT - For the one in whom these things are not present is blind, being shortsighted, taking on forgetfulness of the cleansing of his sins in time past. (studylight.org)

There is nothing ignorant about the grace doctrine. We are saved by grace through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) We are justified by faith and have access by faith into grace. (Romans 5:1,2) The free gift comes by grace resulting in justification of life. (Romans 5:15-18) What's ignorant is the works doctrine, namely, salvation by works, which nullifies grace. (Romans 11:6)

So, Romans 3:25 and 2 Peter 1:9 merely "on the surface" only appear to teach what you are teaching.

Once again, in Acts 13:39, we read that by Him everyone who believes is justified from ALL things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses. In Colossians 2:13, we read that He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you ALL trespasses. The blood of Jesus purifies us from ALL sin. (1 John 1:7) Not merely some sins or sins that were only committed in the past but ALL sins.
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Nope, I am saying they must remain true to the Original Text.
 
mailmandan said:
So, people actually need to words "past, present and future" sins specifically spelled out in scripture in order to figure out that ALL sins mean past, present and future sins? (Acts 13:39; Colossians 2:13; 1 John 1:7) Why would Christ only die for past sins or some sins and not ALL sins? Either we are forgiven of ALL our sins or none of our sins. There is no middle ground.
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I have seen YOUR SIDE OF THIS DISCUSSION DEMAND BIBLICAL PROOF IN SEVERAL OF THESE TYPES OF THREADS.

So, me taking Your Example is now OFFENSIVE?

IMAGINE THAT!!
 
mailmandan said:
Notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

You seem to misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin, we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)
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Interesting, I offered the most original text on record and it speaks to sins being forgiven based upon specifically being confessed.
 
Edify said:
Really? You see Judas as a dog from the beginning?
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Well lets see, In john 6, Jesus said not only did he not believe, but he would betray him, I chose to trust that Jesus knew the mans heart..


Have you forgotten that Judas was able to do what the other 12 did when Jesus sent them out to perform miracles , heal, & cast out devils?
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Did he, We know by name he did those things?
Jesus said plainly that a demon couldn't cast out devils, otherwise his kingdom would fall.
Since when did Jesus give such power & authority to a faker, a hypocrite? Judas had his part with them until he let the devil enter into him. It's all there in the Bible.
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No

Judas was a thief from the beginning

He followed Christ because he thought Jesus came as king. not as savior. once he realized Jesus did not come as King, he plotted to turn him in to get money.

John said they were never of us.. So nothing you will say will convince me that Jesus and John did nto know what they were talking about
 
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Edify said:
Abiding in Christ is the same as continuing in the faith.
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Nope

People do not have faith that they are lost in the sea of death and call out to God to save them, then stop believing AFTER they have been saved from that sea of death and want to return to that death
 
Edify said:
John 14:21Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father’s who sent me.
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You want to be under law feel free

You will be lost. Because if you even sin by accident, Your guilty as charged. And Christ already died.. He is not going to come back to die again..
 
Everlasting-Grace said:
Nope

People do not have faith that they are lost in the sea of death and call out to God to save them, then stop believing AFTER they have been saved from that sea of death and want to return to that death
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Even though Israel did it over and over because that's just how some human beings will do.
 
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