The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

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Everlasting-Grace said:
Yes there is

Paul calls them fools. for having begun in the spirit. having to perfect in the flesh (works)

Stupid/fools.. same difference.

Those who think they can save themselves are fools
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Odd you use Paul's words but never receive his words when used against you
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
lol..

Dude your question has been answered.

Your stuck on a word.. Thus eternity to you is based on that one word.

For the rest of us, Our eternity is based on the promise of God.
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You forget, I was raised in your Doctrines from the Baptist Church.

So I have deep inside understanding of the blindness that consumes you.
 
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Everlasting-Grace

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Even though Israel did it over and over because that's just how some human beings will do.
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lol

Israel did not realise where they came from and what they were saved from

remember, they did not think they needed saved, they were ok.

Nice try..
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Odd you use Paul's words but never receive his words when used against you
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well if they would be able to be used against me, then I would hear them

But I have yet to hear anything from paul that contradicts my faith.

But see here.. You are doing what you accuse me off. Only listening to paul when you think he agrees with you.. Now that is being a hypocrit
 
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You forget, I was raised in your Doctrines from the Baptist Church.

So I have deep inside understanding of the blindness that consumes you.
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lol.. I am not a baptist..

but I understand how you have to attack the messenger. Because the truth you can not refute.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
You want to be under law feel free

You will be lost. Because if you even sin by accident, Your guilty as charged. And Christ already died.. He is not going to come back to die again..
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You're against scripture here, not me.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
lol

Israel did not realise where they came from and what they were saved from

remember, they did not think they needed saved, they were ok.

Nice try..
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Israel saw God in person, you only are believing Their Testimonies. It strengthens your faith. An intellectual person would not destroy the Witness that much of their own understanding of God is built upon.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Do you even know what good works are? Do you know what we do to produce fruit?

and why we do good works?

was Abraham saved by doing good works (romans 4)
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Good Works is God telling you feed this person. When you feed that person it is God, NOT YOU, feeding that person.

So, God, fed that person doing His Own Works.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
Yes there is

Paul calls them fools. for having begun in the spirit. having to perfect in the flesh (works)

Stupid/fools.. same difference.

Those who think they can save themselves are fools
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"Begun in the Spirit means they were saved, then allowed works to be a part of it, meaning they were saved in the beginning & hardened their hearts & lost it.
Thank you for reminding us of that.:)
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
lol.. I am not a baptist..

but I understand how you have to attack the messenger. Because the truth you can not refute.
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You don't specifically have to be Baptist to be Reformed.
The Doctrine is the same in Methodist, Presbyterian, Wesleyan, Lutheran several Protestant Denominations
 
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Edify said:
You're against scripture here, not me.
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No,

Your against scripture

we are under law or under grace. Those are the only two options we have.

You claim you are under law by your words..
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Israel saw God in person, you only are believing Their Testimonies. It strengthens your faith. An intellectual person would not destroy the Witness that much of their own understanding of God is built upon.
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So Unbelieving Israel who walked for 400 years in unbelief and sin saw God?

Israel saw God while they were slaves of assyria and Babylon

come on man..
 
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Good Works is God telling you feed this person. When you feed that person it is God, NOT YOU, feeding that person.

So, God, fed that person doing His Own Works.
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ok

so if you do that work BECAUSE you are saved, You are loving because you have experienced Gods love

If your doing that work to get saved, stay saved or keep from losing salvation. It is a work of self righteousness. Not a work which proceeds from the love of God. Because you have never experienced Gods love.

If abraham was found he has something to boast about.

FOr we have been saved BY GRACE, not of works. lest anyone should boast

why do you boast of all your works?
 
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Edify said:
"Begun in the Spirit means they were saved,
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ok, Yes I can see this
then allowed works to be a part of it, meaning they were saved in the beginning & hardened their hearts & lost it.
Thank you for reminding us of that.:)
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Actually he called them fools for thinking they had to do those works to perfect the work begun in the spirit (remain saved)

They did not lose salvation. They could not lose salvation.. you can't lose something they could never earn to begin with.
 
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You don't specifically have to be Baptist to be Reformed.
The Doctrine is the same in Methodist, Presbyterian, Wesleyan, Lutheran several Protestant Denominations
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I follow the word of God. Not man.

Keep deflecting. It will not help you
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
So Unbelieving Israel who walked for 400 years in unbelief and sin saw God?

Israel saw God while they were slaves of assyria and Babylon

come on man..
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the Proof is Israel saw GOD first hand in Person and still had times they rejected Him.
what makes you think it no longer happens?
humans are humans, they don't evolve to the point of completely changing.
 
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