The Books of Enoch.
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LOL and you don't love to argue? You never quit. Hypocrite.
Once again your arrogance is a major turn-off.
I have looked into it. Enoch was never part of the Hebrew Scriptures.
Also, Biblical apocrypha are a set of texts included in the Septuagint and Latin Vulgate
but not in the Hebrew Bible. Perhaps it is you who needs to do some actual study
Chuck Missler, and his false teachings, in the Nephilim.
The teaching that Angel's procreate with humans is (Greek Mythology)
The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women
Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Yes. No one really knows who wrote the book of Enoch. Had it been divinely inspired, it would have already been in Scripture. At the same time there is nothing there that conflicts with the Bible (to the best of my knowledge).Dubious Authority?
This is not Greek mythology but divine revelation. Genesis 6 is very clear. Unfortunately you are the one bringing false teaching to this forum (in other subjects).
The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women
Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.
Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
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Read them. They won't confuse you they will make you laugh. You will know they are not inspired.
Google and you will find plenty of scholarly presentations about their origins and history and what ancient Jews thought about them.
It is not that hard to learn about them. They were written by Jewish/Greek Syncretic sects over a period of time. The name of Enoch was to keep from getting stoned for claiming to be a prophet. They could not give their own name. There were several apocalyptic books written between the testaments and around the 1st century. It was the means to get their theological messages out.
There were no angels who married humans. The sons of God were mentioned in chapter 4 along with the daughters of Cain who were fair and beautiful. Why people don't notice is beyond me. I noticed it the first time I read it. When I came across sons of god in Gen 6 I looked back to see if I missed something and saw in Chapter 4 that it said they called themselves by the name of the Lord. Sons of God. Got it. Easy peazy. And then when it mentions the daughters of men I looked back and noticed that Cain's daughters were mentioned and had names that mean Fair and beautiful, and pleasant. There it was. No wonder he does not explain in Chapter 6 he assumes you knew what the meant from Chapter 4.
Plus Jesus said Angels dont marry. NO you cant say "but bad angels might' because that does not even make sense.
And then Jesus also said that as in the days of Noah they were marrying before the flood came and took them away, that it will be the same in when the Son of Man returns, people will be marrying, The only place in the bible where men were marrying in the days of Noah before they were taken by the flood was when the Sons of God where marrying, before the flood came, so that is Jesus saying the sons of god were people not angels.
And no you can't say that Jesus is saying that Angels are going to have sex with beautiful women and produce angel human baby giants right before he comes again. You know full well that Jesus was not saying that and none of his disciples understood him to say that, but that MEN would be marrying (beautiful ungodly women no doubt) and eating and drinking and doing what pleased them and ignore the day of their judgment until it was too late.
The truth about the godly being lead away by ungodly especially men marrying ungogly idolatrous women is a theme that repeats throughout the bible which is another reason why you know that the sons of God are men marrying ungodly women in cains camp until they have all left the camp of Adam and only Noah is left and his family is left.
Google and you will find plenty of scholarly presentations about their origins and history and what ancient Jews thought about them.
It is not that hard to learn about them. They were written by Jewish/Greek Syncretic sects over a period of time. The name of Enoch was to keep from getting stoned for claiming to be a prophet. They could not give their own name. There were several apocalyptic books written between the testaments and around the 1st century. It was the means to get their theological messages out.
There were no angels who married humans. The sons of God were mentioned in chapter 4 along with the daughters of Cain who were fair and beautiful. Why people don't notice is beyond me. I noticed it the first time I read it. When I came across sons of god in Gen 6 I looked back to see if I missed something and saw in Chapter 4 that it said they called themselves by the name of the Lord. Sons of God. Got it. Easy peazy. And then when it mentions the daughters of men I looked back and noticed that Cain's daughters were mentioned and had names that mean Fair and beautiful, and pleasant. There it was. No wonder he does not explain in Chapter 6 he assumes you knew what the meant from Chapter 4.
Plus Jesus said Angels dont marry. NO you cant say "but bad angels might' because that does not even make sense.
And then Jesus also said that as in the days of Noah they were marrying before the flood came and took them away, that it will be the same in when the Son of Man returns, people will be marrying, The only place in the bible where men were marrying in the days of Noah before they were taken by the flood was when the Sons of God where marrying, before the flood came, so that is Jesus saying the sons of god were people not angels.
And no you can't say that Jesus is saying that Angels are going to have sex with beautiful women and produce angel human baby giants right before he comes again. You know full well that Jesus was not saying that and none of his disciples understood him to say that, but that MEN would be marrying (beautiful ungodly women no doubt) and eating and drinking and doing what pleased them and ignore the day of their judgment until it was too late.
The truth about the godly being lead away by ungodly especially men marrying ungogly idolatrous women is a theme that repeats throughout the bible which is another reason why you know that the sons of God are men marrying ungodly women in cains camp until they have all left the camp of Adam and only Noah is left and his family is left.
Angels are not and never have been humans, they are not spirits who rise from dead humans.
It is true that angels do not marry, but it is not true that you, personally or through scripture, know that scripture is incorrect when it has stated that sons of God married daughters of men. No one knows exactly what it means by sons of God. We do know it created evil people.
The book of Enoch explains it well, and that book was considered scripture in times past, the counsel that declared it not scripture had questionable motives. It could be our current counsels are correct it was wrong for anyone to say it is scripture, and it could be they knew better when men lived closer to the time of Christ. It could be it is a good history. For anyone to state they know the answer to these questions for sure, they are blowing in the wind.
How do you know Jude was quoting the Pseudopigrapha called Enoch or was he speaking under Divine inspiration quoting what Enoch had said?
Once again, plain, simple, easy to understand, read it real slow
The Sons Of God were human men, that married human women
Teaching Angels have sex with human women, and maintaining human sperm is a fairytale in mythology, and false teaching.
Genesis 6:1-6KJV
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
"The Sons of God" took wives, Angel's don't marry humans, it's that simple.
Matthew 22:30KJV
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
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pottersclay
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Well I think this thread proves that the non-cannoned books are to be left out of ones study.
Perhaps there is a bit of truth in them but where does the perversions start.
Could they be a part of the doctrines of demons that paul points to?
We know in fact that enoch walked with God. That God took him and he saw no death.....yet.
I believe he returns with elijah in revelation. Some say moses will be the one but I hold on the fact that moses died a earthly death and as paul pointed out it is appointed for man to die once then the judgement.
In my studies I have only found enoch and elijah to be the canadates.
The preaching of enoch must have found the ears of noah which gave grace to noah in the sight of the Lord. Noah preaching the first end time prophecy to be fulfilled in his days must of been a sermon to here.
I believe there were giants in the land just as the word of God says but it prophets me nothing to speak of these things nor to prove them. It only brings a fairytale mythology to the word of God to the unsaved.
Let alone a great distraction to those who do believe.
My end conclusion is this for the fairytale mythology and distraction it causes is that why the book of enoch exsist?
Perhaps there is a bit of truth in them but where does the perversions start.
Could they be a part of the doctrines of demons that paul points to?
We know in fact that enoch walked with God. That God took him and he saw no death.....yet.
I believe he returns with elijah in revelation. Some say moses will be the one but I hold on the fact that moses died a earthly death and as paul pointed out it is appointed for man to die once then the judgement.
In my studies I have only found enoch and elijah to be the canadates.
The preaching of enoch must have found the ears of noah which gave grace to noah in the sight of the Lord. Noah preaching the first end time prophecy to be fulfilled in his days must of been a sermon to here.
I believe there were giants in the land just as the word of God says but it prophets me nothing to speak of these things nor to prove them. It only brings a fairytale mythology to the word of God to the unsaved.
Let alone a great distraction to those who do believe.
My end conclusion is this for the fairytale mythology and distraction it causes is that why the book of enoch exsist?
That article makes a lot of accusations, but where are the actual quotations from Enoch to back them up? I will read Enoch again and see what actually conflicts with Scripture. For example, identifying additional good and evil angels by name is not necessarily in conflict.
Then why were they not identified as men? We know that in Job the sons of God are in fact angels. It is only in the New Testament that this term is applies to believers, since the New Birth could only occur after the Holy Spirit was sent down from Heaven.
The "daughters of men" are contrasted with "the sons of God" in Genesis 6. And just because you cannot fathom angels taking human form and having intercourse with women does not mean that it is impossible. It simply means that you cannot grasp certain things. However, in the Bible angels always appear as ordinary men speaking ordinary human language (Hebrew).
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Thank you. I read it and it is spot on. Very good source to give to people with questions like the OP.
http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The Book of Enoch is a Dangerous Demonic Snare.pdf
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http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The Book of Enoch is a Dangerous Demonic Snare.pdf
Thanks, I read this (most of it) and it is a very good paper. It matches what I have read on this subject and I believe it is a great article to give to people who ask the question that the OP presented. I have seen more scholarly papers but this seems to be a good one for helping the layman who does not want to read all the technical details.
I will keep it for future use. Well Done Megenta you go to the top of the Class for answering CC questions with useful links.
It’s really one of the strangest things I’ve encountered. People actually are offended and angry by simply presenting the Biblical evidence on this. Why?
And the evidence is vast. Every year or so this comes up, and I’ve learned more each time. I’ll present all the Biblical evidence I’ve come across later.
But I truly can’t see how anyone can deny what the text says.
It reminds me of when we were kids and you told someone a truth they didn’t like, they’d stick their fingers in their ears and yell “lalalala!”.
A huge chunk of Scripture won’t make sense unless we get this right.
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The same can be said about anyone who rejects the huge amount of information that refutes Enoch authenticity. "Fingers in the ears syndrome. " It is like the desire to believe a fantastic childishly made up Greek Myth story is so great that the entertainment motivation takes over their ability to hear truth. It is a disease that effects other areas of their life. Ignoring the authorial intent of the holy people compromising with the unholy people and the judgment that will ensue, they live in all sorts of ungodliness while obsessing over giants and angels having sex.
If they gave up that interpretation and recognized the real message they might repent of the compromise that is in their lives right now. They might get off those dating sites and quit thinking it is ok to missionary date.
http://www.zephaniah.eu/index_htm_files/The Book of Enoch is a Dangerous Demonic Snare.pdf
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SophieT
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Believe or don't believe. Does not change the truth that angels did in fact leave their first estate and procreate with human women.
There are different things in scripture people are not comfortable with and this appears to be one of them.