suicide

[Chr]

Read a few others. The truth in the Bible doesn't just consist of one verse. You have to take them all. If not, you'll find them contradicting each other. It's amazing how people only see the one or two verses that seem to support their view, but disregard all the others. What can I saw? That's Christianity today.

What are you trying to debate? I didn't take any verse out of context,hows this read the whole bible.

 

[Gonder]

As a Christians, we whole hartedly belive that we are bought for a price. A very dear price I might add. Having said that, We belong to HIM, Christ our Lord who gave HIMSELF for us. I belive all the readers of this post know and understand the relationship the beliver has with Christ. Having said that, to contemplate the thought of suicide is a sin. No matter what problems and tribulation and sorrow that life throw at us, we are not alone. Through the painful journy, HE is always with us.
"Yea, though I walk through the vally of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou are with me..." Ps:23: 4

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Suicide is a murderous permanent "solution" to a temporary problem. The last thing you want to do as you leave this life is commit murder, even if it's the murder of yourself.

 

[Charlamane]

Not true. And statements like this only make it worse for a suicidal person. Christians don't realize how damaging they can be sometimes. If you are in God, you don't lust. You don't steal. You don't murder in your heart (hate), you don't kill, you don't hurt others, you don't have affairs, look at porn, envy, etc etc etc. Guess what though, Christians struggle with ALL of those. Everyones demons are different and everyone has their problems. When you become a Christian, you are not perfect yet. Your struggles don't just vanish and life is apple pie.

So how dare you to claim a person who thinks of suicide is not of God! And think, if a suicidal person is in emotional distress and feeling hopeless already, and maybe the only hope they cling to is God... but then someone says a suicidal person is not of God... what hope do they have left? It's an emptiness you cannot imagine and only brings them lower.

Suicide is definitely something that should be talked about more in church. So sick of so many ignorant Christians on this subject. There are deep complicated reasons that lead a person to suicide. Blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. And no one is more poor in spirit than those on the brink of suicide.

Elijah wanted to die. He wanted God to kill him. God didn't give him a speech, as I remember. God encouraged him. Jonah also wanted to die. God also didn't reprimand him. He comforted, reasoned, and was patient with Jonah. This is absurd to say if you're right with God, you won't ever get that depressed. Life is hard. You think God doesn't know that? God is a realist, and he knows we are flesh. All this reprimanding is entirely destructive. Do you know the heart and situation of the person you are speaking to when it comes to someone contemplating suicide? Would you take from Christ a person He came, suffered, and died for? You say no? Yet you flippantly reprimand a person that's already depressed. Use your heads, people.

 

[Chr]

There are conseqences to sin warning people of them is good and loving,listen to them be kind and understanding and give them hope. Speak the truth in love the bible says.We must say what the bible says,somtimes the truth is offensive but only to pride.Pray for people and for wisdom.

 

[homwardbound]

Is contemplating suicide a sin????

No one can change thier feelings for feelings are a result of thought(s) and tha tis why we are to renew our minds, (thought) if you do not have thoughts of anger is it possible to be angry without the thought of?
Suicidal thoughts create the feelings of doing it and will notstop until the thoughts of change

 

[ASHISH]

yes ,because ur heart is a temple of GOD and we cant destroy the temple of GOD

 

[homwardbound]

There are conseqences to sin warning people of them is good and loving,listen to them be kind and understanding and give them hope. Speak the truth in love the bible says.We must say what the bible says,somtimes the truth is offensive but only to pride.Pray for people and for wisdom.

Maybe one step further you "Speak the truth in love the bible says"
How about the truth of what the words read and is only revealed by the Holy Ghost brother. Many manly interpretations that have skewed the word, you are right in what you said above the love, but remember there is a worldly love, so all I am saying is seek Godly love as you continue to grow as you have already
Love Homwardbound

 

[vikash]

Suicide is a satan's weapon and he provoke people to end their life and land up in hell. God gave us life and he want us to live life happily and praising him. But as usual satan never want us to be happy. Satan will try to bring discouragement and bring suicidal thoughts in our mind. so never think about it. God has a purpose for our life, follow him and you will have a new reason to live.

 

[SHEEPxDOG]

its not your life to take, do you really want to risk that?

 

[sporermin]

The bottom line on suicide is that it's always the person's choice. It's their life and we all have the ability to do it if we wish. However, how/if the person will be judged for it and what penalty there is for it if any.....That's entirely up to God. All of our opinions are irrelevant on that issue and do not have any influence on the outcome.

To quote David Foster Wallace:
[h=1] “The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing. The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant. The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling.
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[cookie39]

When I was about to take my life, on my way to the medicine cabinet I heard my mothers voice " IF YOU DIE IN YOUR SINS YOU WILL GO TO HELL" as I slowed down not knowing why would that come to my mind, when I would think about for months was every bad thing happened to me in my life, and all the people who hurt me, and how I messed up my life and there is no use for me here.. worthless, weak, stupid no future, NO HOPE. I had made plans at first to even take my 3 sons with me so they wont have to go through what I went through and was going through... I cried so much and for no reasons at all. sadness, sorrow, darkness, tormented, and depressed. was my every thought. I could not for nothing think of anything good... I could be laughing one minute and the next second, crying. When the day came that I could not take it no more and I had to just go away from this world that everyone hated me so much in and life offered me nothing. So much pain weighing on my soul they only way for me to be able to not think about any more and not feel no more is to die. My sons was not home that day, and I could wait no longer.. I told myself I know my mom would love them and take care of them... ( show you how satan is so subtle in his deceit). The next thought was MY MOM IS THE ONLY ONE WHO TRULY LOVE ME.. lol.. but for months no one loved me. but in order for satan to hurry me up and kill my self all of a sudden someone do love me... He had my mind so convinced to die: I never thought twice about what was just said in my mind about my mom.

As my mom voice got louder, IF YOU DIE IN YOUR SINS YOU ARE GOING TO HELL. She knew God, I did not. So I stopped at the bathroom door, and vision of a hell started to flood my mind. I thought, (God said to me) if hell is truly real and what they say will happen once a person goes to hell really will happen. PRAISE YOUR NAME LORD I THANK YOU TILL THIS DAY!!
I do not want to go to hell, because what will happen there to me is much worst than what is happening to me now, and at least I can change what is happening to me while I am alive, but once in hell that will never change. I didn't know at that moment it was God speaking to me, but I did know it made a lot of since. I went into my bed room and I cried harder than I ever did. The thoughts of everything was now more intence and would not stop. I tried to think of any way I could die with out doing it my self; nothing would do, it would have all still be me.... cause a car crash, a train, bus, truck, walking with my eyes closed and hope I walk into traffic and die... this went on for weeks. till the day I got on my knees and I said, If there is a real God, please come help me.... for all the religions out there all I want is the real God.... and I pleaded with tears for I don't know how long... for the real God to help me. once God start to show himself to me. All I would do is ask him to please kill me every day, and every night I would ask him to not let me wake up after I went to sleep. I did not ask for salvation... I still wanted to die. but the more the Lord God show me he was real the more I wanted to know him. He would tell me so many things about why I should live and how much my sons needed me, how no one can love then more or better than I do. He started giving his Word to me..... God would not put no more on us that we can bare was the scripture the Lord used to strengthen me... He said if he allowed all those things to happen to me, was only because he knew I was strong enough to handle them. Me Strong? well if God said it, I believe Him, so that settled it...........

Now don't get me wrong. I do still have my moments now 17 years later. I have to fight the spirit of depression. but suicide has never ever been an issue with me again since. But wanting to go home and be with the Father will never leave my heart... there is nothing in this world I would not give up to just go and be with our Holy Father God, and Jesus Christ.

It was God who change my mind, who would not allow me to continue to listen to the lies of the devil.

IT WAS GOD WHO SAVED MY LIFE THAT DAY, SO HE CAN SAVE MY SOUL. AND HE USED THE HARSH WORDS OF MY MOTHER TO DO SO. IF YOU DIE IN YOUR SINS YOU WILL GO TO HELL !!!!

 

[cookie39]

The thoughts I was having was not sin, but the act would have been. &nbsp; one reason is because I was not a child of God at the time...I did not except Jesus Christ as my savior yet. living in unrepented sin. &nbsp;and as a child of God, His love, grace and mercy saved me and delivered me from the powers of satan which sin brought on my life, giving him full reign over my mind, but total reign over my soul. when satan was toying with my mind, God was speaking to my soul.<br><br>I pray for all those who is thinking ( being tormented by the devil) to kill them self. Run to the Lord Jesus, to the Father.<br><br>depression is not a disease. that is a trick of the devil to further entrap people with drugs that cannot change the way you think about things. those drugs cannot take away the pain you suffer from people hurting you, but forgiveness can: drugs can't tell you that, yes, you are wounded and yes they hurt you and maybe no one cares... But, GOD cares. and you don't have to let the wickedness of others rob you of hope, peace, joy and strength and all the promises of God. drugs wont let you know that the devil was trying to kill you and damn you to hell.&nbsp;<br><br><br>

 

[cookie39]

Last of all, now we can't say all suicides will result in a person going to hell............ It is possible that a person could be dying as a result of a self inflicted wound. before they had no thought of God but while they are dying the Lord shows mercy, finally get through all the clutter, remind them of Jesus Christ and all they may had heard over the years and that person in faith cry out to God, repent of all they had done in there life, ask Jesus Christ to forgive them and even then they may still want to die or live. that person's soul will be saved.

 

[willfollowsGod]

A Christian can have thoughts of suicide. At my Cru group we talked with two people in the group. Saying that if one commits suicide they will be going to hell, while it maybe true, is not really loving. I had suicide thoughts, they weren't like the ones I hear about. I had a rough day or something, I don't quite remember and just wanted God to take me away from the earth and to heaven. I really have not had that kind of day before but that was rough. But the assumption that if one commits suicide the suffering will go away is not true because then the family will have to come to terms with it, many will blame themselves for not being able to stop it, etc. But the Bible does not really condone suicide, Judas hanged himself, Ahithophel hanged himself, and there might be other instances of suicide in the Bible that I can't think of. But it is a form of murder, but it is true that God will have compassion on who he will have compassion and mercy on whom he will have mercy. As one person mentioned Jonah wanted to die, Elijah one time wanted to die, and maybe there were more. When it came to Elijah, God reasoned with him and I believe Jonah as well. But we as Christians need to love those who have these thoughts, pray, etc and when possible dissuade gently, kindly, etc not with anger or with words that backfire and make the person want to kill themselves.

 

[Dine_wit_Me]

Gad...r u thinking of committing suicide...if so..why...lets get to the bottom of it...if u r the one.

 

[Dine_wit_Me]

All who posted here concerning what this person asked..why r u squabbling over this issue..this person is in trouble...First of all..we didnt create ourselves...nor do we give sustain ourselves or wrote the blue print as to how to govern our lives..God did..and He only has complete say so as to when we will close our eyes...yes..God gives us freedoms..but with such freedoms..comes responsibility and we will have to give an answer as to the time we have been given here on this earth..one may take their life..but still there is a judgment...God will open the books of heaven a reveal to all the saved..why their loved ones were lost..and why they themselves r saved...God is a very fair God...not willing that any should perish..do we trust God enough to take care of our problems...but God knows the fragile heart of humanity..and the environment in which we grow up in....we r the hands, feet, mouth, arms, and ears of Jesus...to rescue...pray with..pray for..encourage...weep with...bear each other's burdens is what God calls us to do..not debate...God simply says..Thou SHALT KILL...yes..life is precious...so much so..that Jesus died that we may all have life....have it more abundantly...Jesus says...He is the Way..the Truth..and the Life..one thing we know for sure..is that Satan is a destroyer..and want all to believe there is no way out of our desperate situations....but God says, He has made a way out in EVERY SITUATION...many dont have a bible...but God allows all to c Him through nature, His caring love for all His creation...His keeping power... God says..but those who hope in the Lord and He will renew ur strength..u shall mount up with wings as eagles they will run and not b weary,..they will walk and not faint...Remember..God also said, there is a way that seemeth right to humanity...but the ends thereof are the ways of death....God says..Cursed is the man (humanity)who draws strength from mere flesh and who's hearts turn away from the Lord. Jeremiah 17:5


God will restore all of our souls..we just will ask in His name...He says..Ask anything in my name...John 14:14

 

[Dine_wit_Me]

A person contemplating suicide is definitely not in God's consideration or favor. The reason being He gave His son to save His children. Not to see them self destroying themselves, which is what the devil exactly wants to happen in our lives, especially God's children.
John 10:10 - The thief comes only to steal and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

Question is whether its a sin - Yes, it is. Because it goes against the will of God. The word also has a verse in Luke which mentions those who are not faithful in little cannot be faithful in much. Which is about we being not able to handle a life which is temporary how can we be trusted in a life of eternity.

Please do not suggest anyone on contemplating sin as acceptable to God. Yes God is kind and compassionate which will help them to re-establish their life. But during judgement He will be The righteous.

Very well stated Brother.

 

[jerusalem]

there is a huge difference between being tempted and sin. if being tempted is a sin then Jesus sinned because He was tempted to sin. He overcame the temptation and thereby didn't sin. as a matter of fact scripture clearly states that He was tempted just as we are which implies in every way that we are Jesus would have been tempted with suicidal thoughts as well as every other temptation. having been tempted gives Him sympathy for the temptation to sin that we go through. but the primary thing is this...He overcame sin to show us that it is possible and He did it for us so that we can come to Him for forgiveness. He would never want anyone to kill themselves. He paid the highest price so that you will come to Him with your sins and believe in the incredible love He has for you so that you will want to live and live in a meaningful way. He said in His word....i set before you life and death ....chose life.

 

[secularhermit]

Do not murder...