suicide

[Chr]

Christ died for our sins as our subsitute.He was punished in our place.His perfect righteousness is given to us, salvation is a free gift from God through faith alone. Believe in the Lord jesus Christ and you will be saved.He is the Son of God He died for ours sins on the cross was buried and rose again the third day.

 

[Chr]

We all are sinners that need His forgiveness He is our only savior

 

[Jordache]

I think selfish is not even the issue here. It could be selfish to tell someone they must live in misery. But what would you call telling someone to kill themselves so they can live in an eternity more painful than any of us can imagine. Telling them to go ahead and kill themselves is like telling them to trade a scratch for a knife wound that won't go away. Yeah, that scratch feels like hell itself, but the fact is we put too much in value into our emotions and we let them run our lives. Our emotions are more often false than true.
If you're friend was choosing between two roads and asked the advice of two people, an honest one and a dishonest one, would you not tell them to listen to the honest one. Now what if the dishonest one said "come down this way and you'll have all the peace you ever wanted." and the honest one said "Come this way, this path will be difficult, but you won't be alone on it even if you can't see the one with you; and after a journey you will find real peace. That other road does give you peace... for about two steps then it drops off a cliff that you will never stop off falling from."

 

[luv]

Such a powerful testimony, pain is real, but the love of Jesus is even more real, it gives peace and understanding....HOPE

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Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

 

[DarkVoid]

I think selfish is not even the issue here. It could be selfish to tell someone they must live in misery. But what would you call telling someone to kill themselves so they can live in an eternity more painful than any of us can imagine. Telling them to go ahead and kill themselves is like telling them to trade a scratch for a knife wound that won't go away. Yeah, that scratch feels like hell itself, but the fact is we put too much in value into our emotions and we let them run our lives. Our emotions are more often false than true.
If you're friend was choosing between two roads and asked the advice of two people, an honest one and a dishonest one, would you not tell them to listen to the honest one. Now what if the dishonest one said "come down this way and you'll have all the peace you ever wanted." and the honest one said "Come this way, this path will be difficult, but you won't be alone on it even if you can't see the one with you; and after a journey you will find real peace. That other road does give you peace... for about two steps then it drops off a cliff that you will never stop off falling from."

I guess the question is who is honest and who is dishonest? That's nearly impossible to tell until its too late...

 

[paulr]

A person contemplating suicide is definitely not in God's consideration or favor. The reason being He gave His son to save His children. Not to see them self destroying themselves, which is what the devil exactly wants to happen in our lives, especially God's children.
John 10:10 - The thief comes only to steal and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.

Question is whether its a sin - Yes, it is. Because it goes against the will of God. The word also has a verse in Luke which mentions those who are not faithful in little cannot be faithful in much. Which is about we being not able to handle a life which is temporary how can we be trusted in a life of eternity.

Please do not suggest anyone on contemplating sin as acceptable to God. Yes God is kind and compassionate which will help them to re-establish their life. But during judgement He will be The righteous.

 

[piper27]

No, but it is deception. God doesn't plant these thoughts, our enemy the devil does. If ones thoughts are in the contemplation mode, the last thing the person needs is more condemnation. This is the very tool the devil has used to bring the person to contemplate suicide anyway.
The truth is, God loves everyone so much, and he desires to have intimate relationship with them no matter what. The word says 'we are to cast all our cares upon him'. Even this one. The bible also says 'where two or more are gathered, there I am also'. I pray that if you know someone contemplating suicide, you will help the person seek the advice/counsel of someone where you are at so the person can obtain healing to whatever thoughts have led up to contemplation.
Blessings.

 

[piper27]

A person contemplating suicide is definitely not in God's consideration or favor. QUOTE]

This breaks my heart, my Loving Father would do anything to prevent me from completing the act. He would not turn his head and his heart from someone so desperate they are contemplating......the person is definitly IN God's consideration and Favour!

 

[paulr]

This breaks my heart, my Loving Father would doanything to prevent me from completing the act. He would not turnhis head and his heart from someone so desperate they arecontemplating......the person is definitely IN God's consideration and Favour![/QUOTE]

Person is always in God'sconsideration, that's why He / she equally deserved the graceeveryone else received Our Father is righteous one. I wasintending towards the act.
Now to discuss it on Biblicalcontext, the act of suicide or even contemplating is equal as, sin was very wellexplained by Jesus himself (Mark 7:20-23). The root cause for suicides aredepression which arises from the worldly expectations or desires. Which iswhere we go wrong, our focus has to be on Godly desires. Also, The word of God teaches us to trust,depend on, and believe in Him throughout its length. (Romans 8:28 is oneexample.) To take your own life would show no faith in God. Notice thatalthough the prophets, apostles, and Jesus Christ were persecuted, tortured,and put to death; they did not commit suicide for an “easy out.” They “foughtthe good fight” to the end (see 2 Timothy 4:6-8).

As part of the heavenly kingdom we should encourage everyone not to think on these lines, because that will be an painful moment for our Father.

 

[ChristianJuggalo]

heres my opinion, suicide is not necessarily a damnation to hell for all sins are forgiven except the unpardonable sin blasphemy of the holy spirit. That being said, the reason I don't believe its an automatic damnation to hell is because its a mental disease/defect just like diabetes is a disease/defect. They dont go to hell for eating too little/much do theythen what makes you think christians struggling with suicide is any different. My pastor taught us that one sunday

 

[Charlamane]

Nothing in this life can compare to the suffering of hell.Unbelif is our enemy it is deceptive.

I'm sorry, but to say there's nothing worse than suffering in hell to someone who's asking about suicide, is the worst possible thing to say. Christ came to save us from suffering, not to give us more suffering. Such an approach drives people away from God, for it misrepresents Him. It makes Him look like a God without compassion, not as one who sent His only son to save us from despair.

 

[acesneverwin]

I don't think contemplating it is a sin. I think contemplating it is a temptation to sin... but not a sin itself. If someone is wrestling with any kind of sin, it's a battle and I don't think they've failed the battle till they give in to temptation. Suicide, believe it or not, is tempting to some people and people wrestle with it. They may know it's not the answer, they just don't see how it's possible. They may know God didn't create them just to take their own life. They may realize all of it. But the darkness and despair can be so great, there just doesn't seem to be any light and feel so alone. That the lure of slipping off into sleep or just disappearing can feel so great... and they wrestle with it. Knowing they can't even kill themselves knowing it's not what God wants... that can make everything seem even more disbarring cause if death is the only possible escape they can see... and knowing that isn't even an option... They feel totally lost and despairing.

I don't think it's a sin... I think it's a temptation. Temptation isn't sin till you give in. It's a battle. A white wolf and a black wolf. The wolf that wins is the one ya feed... Suicidal thoughts and feelings, doubts and despair feed the black wolf. And it makes the white wolf, weak and starving, and it huddles in despair holding on to a small unravelling thread of hope.

I don't think someone who goes through with it goes to hell. Any more than anyone would go to hell for lying, stealing, adultery etc. And the thought of escaping and running into the Fathers arms... seeing him physically. Hearing his voice. Looking into non judgmental and understanding eyes. Who love is greater than I think anyone can imagine... and understands you more than you ever could hope to know. And just knowing that he'd wipe away the tears and hold you like you wanted to be held... seems like a great reason to just end it too... But how would you face him? Knowing you gave up on a life he planned for ya and maybe help was just around the corner... What would he think? Say? How disappointed would he be? There are people I really care about and would hate to disappoint despite how understanding they would be. I'd just feel bad. And I would hate to have my final act in life being such a disappointment to one I wanna hold onto most.

 

[prodigal]

if you are contemplating suicide, then you dont need condemnation, you need prayer and encouragement. you need to get to the bottom of whats causing it. sometimes it can be spiritual, other times it can be your coping mechanisms no longer working. But be sure of this, there is a way forward.its exactly when we realise we just can do this anymore by our own strength that gods strength comes in. let us say i dont want to live in this flesh no more, that we want to die to the carnal side of our character so that jesus can come in and lead us into the spiritual life that will lead us into a close relationship with our god. and his peace shall enter us and abundant joy will be in our hearts.

 

[joshua_xaja]

If God would have meant what you have concluded from " I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and compassion on whom I will have compassion", then why would he send Jesus? He can deal with sin the same way, right? He can have mercy on whom he wants to, and not on whom he doesn't want to.

Righteousness means, to give what culprit deserves, it doesn't involve contemplating on person's heart, and Mercy means to give what culprit does not deserve, which is "forgiveness."

So God cannot be Righteous and Mercy together, it is on Cross that Justice and Mercy meet, where Jesus receives the wrath of God as Justice, and we receive undeserving Mercy.

Of all the sins, biggest is to not trust the God. "Without Faith it is impossible to please the God". And faith is displayed in sufferings, not in pleasures of life. If you have Faith, you will endure suffering till the Last.

To Kill self, is to have no faith in God and not trusting God. Contemplating on it cant be sin though, as under suffering men tend to think like that, for example even Job said "It would have been good if I was killed in the womb" , and some times in Psalms too.

Of course one should not condemn those who are contemplating on suicide, but the one who is contemplating, before doing that, should think on one question "Do he/she trust God?" , and "How am I going to show my trust for God, by enduring or by ending?"

 

[jonrambo]

God wants you to soldier on in this world and serve him the best you can. Then you get your reward. Theres no cheating the system

 

[PrayForMePlease]

Hi, I am a new member here.

I have contemplated suicide in the past because my life was really horrible. I prayed so much and yet it was so, so bad.

I knew self-murder was a sin, but that didn't stop me.

I was so unsure.

I ended up on a testimony of Tamara Laroux -- a woman who shot herself and went to Hell, and it scared me.

I don't want to be separated from God or His Holy Spirit, especially permanently; that is the worst thing that can possibly happen. And far worse than even that. Because God is a shield. I realise He is everything good -- that he makes everything good possible -- and that when you're separated from Him, there is absolutely nothing good about it. It may seem like it here on earth because the wicked in this life, will prosper for perhaps the length of their life here on earth, but if your life for some reason ends suddenly, you will beg to die within minutes when you end up in a ceaseless realm of eternal torment by beings far more evil than the most evil people here on earth (the cartel, communist nutjobs like Joseph Stalin and the more recent Kim Jong Un, the Osama bin Laden's); it's evil so bad, it has to exist only in another realm in order to sustain itself because God and His Holy Spirit are completely absent from there unlike here on earth (2 Thessalonians 1:9) where the presence of God and His priceless Holy Spirit exist to various extents in those that follow God's teachings and

Don't do it to yourself, God doesn't send people to Hell. You make that choice all yourself, and when you're there, you're there (1 Cor 15:50) because your body will be separated from the possibiity of everything good which is from God, and from The Almighty Himself -- what and Who you want to look for to get you out of this momentary dark area in your life, provided you're saved only by the blood of God's son as only He can save (Colossians 1:22).

 

[PrayForMePlease]

Hi, I am a new member here.

I have contemplated suicide in the past because my life was really horrible. I prayed so much and yet it was so, so bad.

I knew self-murder was a sin, but that didn't stop me.

I was so unsure.

I ended up on a testimony of Tamara Laroux -- a woman who shot herself and went to Hell, and it scared me.

I don't want to be separated from God or His Holy Spirit, especially permanently; that is the worst thing that can possibly happen. And far worse than even that. Because God is a shield. I realise He is everything good -- that he makes everything good possible -- and that when you're separated from Him, there is absolutely nothing good about it. It may seem like it here on earth because the wicked in this life, will prosper for perhaps the length of their life here on earth, but if your life for some reason ends suddenly, you will beg to die within minutes when you end up in a ceaseless realm of eternal torment by beings far more evil than the most evil people here on earth (the cartel, communist nutjobs like Joseph Stalin and the more recent Kim Jong Un, the Osama bin Laden's); it's evil so bad, it has to exist only in another realm in order to sustain itself because God and His Holy Spirit are completely absent from there unlike here on earth (2 Thessalonians 1:9) where the presence of God and His priceless Holy Spirit exist to various extents in those that follow God's teachings and

Don't do it to yourself, God doesn't send people to Hell. You make that choice all yourself, and when you're there, you're there (1 Cor 15:50) because your body will be separated from the possibiity of everything good which is from God, and from The Almighty Himself -- what and Who you want to look for to get you out of this momentary dark area in your life, provided you're saved only by the blood of God's son as only He can save (Colossians 1:22).

Oops, posted with corrections:

"Hi, I am a new member here.

I have contemplated suicide in the past because my life was really horrible. I prayed so much and yet it was so, so bad.

I knew self-murder was a sin, but that didn't stop me.

I was so unsure.

I ended up on a testimony of Tamara Laroux -- a woman who shot herself and went to Hell, and it scared me.

I don't want to be separated from God or His Holy Spirit, especially permanently; that is the worst thing that can possibly happen. And far worse than even that. Because God is a shield. I realise He is everything good -- that he makes everything good possible -- and that when you're separated from Him, there is absolutely nothing good about it. It may seem like it here on earth because the wicked in this life, will prosper for perhaps the length of their life here on earth, but if your life for some reason ends suddenly, you will beg to die within minutes when you end up in a ceaseless realm of eternal torment by beings far more evil than the most evil people here on earth (the cartel, communist nutjobs like Joseph Stalin and the more recent Kim Jong Un, the Osama bin Laden's); it's evil so bad, it has to exist only in another realm in order to sustain itself because God and His Holy Spirit are completely absent from there unlike here on earth (2 Thessalonians 1:9) where the presence of God and His priceless Holy Spirit exists.

Don't do it to yourself, God doesn't send people to Hell. You make that choice all yourself, and when you're there, you're there (1 Cor 15:50) because your body will be separated from the possibiity of everything good which is from God, and from The Almighty Himself -- what and Who you want to look for to get you out of this momentary dark area in your life, provided you're saved only by the blood of God's son as only He can save, otherwise well, you may do well here on earth, but...

Wish you much luck!"

 

[PrayForMePlease]

Actually, nevermind, please don't read either of my above posts. They're meant to be removed!

 

[Yourfriend4life]

suicide is an unforgivable sin......i know this for a fact

i litterally died for a short moment from hanging myself......i knew then and i know now suicide is a path to hell

 

[Yourfriend4life]

well that staement your speaking about is true.....thats how it is theres nothing else to it . hell is the worst possible suffering imaginable by anyone in any worldly situation

I'm sorry, but to say there's nothing worse than suffering in hell to someone who's asking about suicide, is the worst possible thing to say. Christ came to save us from suffering, not to give us more suffering. Such an approach drives people away from God, for it misrepresents Him. It makes Him look like a God without compassion, not as one who sent His only son to save us from despair.